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[Count Matthew]

ok . I play the most . For the last month or so I have been in the core the most . Everyone knows I work at home and play day and night. If one of you asked us for 3v3, lets say, we may oblige. If you start capping at 2 we assume you have more. If you wanted a fair fight then you would ask for one. If you don't set up rules then we cannot break any rules. We want to fight and I will agree to fight with rules sometimes. If you sit in a toilet then I will bring as many twats as I can to come find you.

I guess common sense and fairness does not prevail here.

[Count Matthew]

Spoiler for Hiden:

1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.

As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.

Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.

+ This

Do you honeslty think we stand gathering at the grid for one person in Enterprise?

I am so tired of people crying about overkill - if you don't want to die, don't come with one person. Look at server population, now check how many Lawyers are online. If server population is 20 and there are only 2 Lawyers on, chances are the rest will be V-tec or Family. Why try and cap Enterprise with one person in this instance? You think we should just not come?

We are so tired of being accused of encouraging swarm, we joke about it on the forums and in game, but personally I am tired of it.
I now only call for gather at grid when we don't have numbers, or PM people on mumble/forums.
But you guys do not help yourselves. The amount of times we've come with 5v5 family or lawyers for example, only to have BB's or Rats hiding in sewers or another zones has made alot of us no longer care.

All I can suggest is that Lawyers/Family/BB's recruit from your friends IRL and get some new blood involved.

And for the love of god move or delete V-tec recruitment in starting zone for a month or so.

Afterthought: How do you suggest we stop players entering the core???

its your own fault u see a timer which goes by 1 or 2 and u decide to come with minimum 4 which kinda sucks , i ahve seen it bymyself many times often silvicyius comes also with a PA to troll the enemy which is kinda lame , u could rather choose to go with same number and say ok lets keep it fair ... but u dont do . u do quite the opposite shit when theres a real enemy , when i was fighting with windrunner and the other laws u were wrecked easily but all the time we needed to wait 30 min for any action dunno why but thats a reason why people also lost interest , u rush smaller amount of people and dont show up when theres enemy such kinda behaviour really sucks ...

There is a feeling in a lot of the other factions which agree with this.

The situation is however, that you don't know enemy numbers from ticker. And that you, as a v-tec, don't know if its lawyers, lawyers and family, lawyers and family and BB or lawyers and family and BB and factionless you're up against.

I've spend god how many hours in core waiting for an enemy that doesn't come. I don't think this Vtec specific. I think its a part of playing on an underpopulated server.

You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.

You can't call 5 people a swarm.

You can't blame Vtec for not showing to fights if the only fcking faction that is fighting is Vtec. Must have been at least a month that I last saw a fight that didn't involve Vtec.

I want a healthy and balanced player base as much as anyone else. But posts like these don't really work towards that mutual goal in a constructive manner now do they Matthew?

Again - common sense.

there are 10 people online.

8 of them are on V Tech.

2 of them are in another faction.

They are NOT going to attack you with more than two.

[Komrade]

It's actually easy to stop them from doing this ''unfair'' pvp.
Exclude them from pvp, easy as that. Want to setup pvp matches, ask with your alt if anyone wants to fight against you, organize a 3 vs 3 or 2 vs 2 fights and have fun. Its sad but the server is underpopulated at the moment so lobby fights needs to be made.

That way everyone will be happy and vtecs can swarm gayckos forever, noone will have to cry swarm again.     

[Count Matthew]

I am going to round up the conversation here.

I was shocked to have heard that 5 V Techs  (one in PA) came to fight against 1 person in ZC.

No matter what you try to argue here, it is obvious that it was overkill, completely and undeniable.

It is testament to how the V Techs view a fight, I know because I was a V Tech from the very start (before Teela and Caboose) - they will very rarely engage in a fight unless they out number the foe.

When their foe becomes demoralised due to constant losing, due to being being outnumbered, it does not make the game very fun for their foe.

Their foe will stop playing and it will end a game that we all enjoy playing so much.

V Tech was my first faction and one that I hold very dear, but I grew a pair and left because I wanted to make the game more competitive.

Basically, some V Techs need to change factions OR deliberately stop the swarming.

End of.

[Teela]

Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?

Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.

[Caboose]

Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?

Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.

I can't tell if he's trying to troll or not :/

[Count Matthew]

Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?

Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.

Teela, I didn't say that. Stop twisting my words

[twat]

if vtec signup was shut down for a month or two it would change everything. we only outnumber by a few guys. If morale was not a factor you would have enough players every day.

had 10 tecs online earlier. only 5 for zc though.

edit: i remember a few times when so many enemies long on for one battle, take our stuff, and I never see them again. Where are those guys and wtf

[Smalltime]

You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.

You can't call 5 people a swarm.

can't stress this enough. I'll move the v-tech recruiter somewhere for a few days if it'll make you guys happy, but I don't think we exactly have an influx of players at the moment anyway.
Edit: And you know the moment I do, someone will send a bug report that the v-tech guy is missing

[Count Matthew]

You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.

You can't call 5 people a swarm.

can't stress this enough. I'll move the v-tech recruiter into the river for a few days if it'll make you guys happy, but I don't think we exactly have an influx of players at the moment anyway.
Edit: And you know the moment I do, someone will send a bug report that the v-tech guy is missing

If V Techa are hungry for a fight. They need to be reasonable and manage their numbers. Small Time, I don't know how much you play or are in tune with the other factions (I know you play V Tech) but you are a little out of touch with the situation.

[Caboose]

You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.

You can't call 5 people a swarm.

can't stress this enough. I'll move the v-tech recruiter into the river for a few days if it'll make you guys happy, but I don't think we exactly have an influx of players at the moment anyway.
Edit: And you know the moment I do, someone will send a bug report that the v-tech guy is missing

Just ignore the bug report for a week

[twat]

make the guy say that recruitment is closed at the moment due to lack of rooms

"As much as we appreciate your desire to join the v-tecs, we are unable to grant you membership due to logistical and rooming constraints.  As soon as the overcrowding as been resolved, we will reopen our doors, and welcome you among our ranks."

[John Porno]

Just ignore the bug report for a week

But why should we suddenly adress bug reports twice as fast?

[Caboose]

Just ignore the bug report for a week

But why should we suddenly adress bug reports twice as fast?

Touché

[twat]

Just ignore the bug report for a week

But why should we suddenly adress bug reports twice as fast?

rofl

[naossano]

Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?

Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.

Since when the fact you are playing is a problem. ? Problem is that you don't do a shit for balance and try to deny facts when brought up to you. There was no need for argument lastings weeks/months. By the time we told you that the first time, you had the time to make lvl24+ characters in the four factions + even a factionless one, like many other players did. (actually, not five characters, but many players has effective chars in 2-3 factions to help the balance, or play when no one is around, or help them speed up their timers; or because they got bored by their first faction, or any other reason). Even if you had doubt the first few days, the fact i lasted so much time should have made you react, instead of insisting to stay stuck on that downfall. I think i lost faith in V-tec since recent post from paragon/Caboose that shown a will to maintain hate at all cost, but as said many times, you aren't stuck in a loop. You have many tools to change the situation. The only thing lacking is the actual will to do it.

[Smalltime]

If V Techa are hungry for a fight. They need to be reasonable and manage their numbers. Small Time, I don't know how much you play or are in tune with the other factions (I know you play V Tech) but you are a little out of touch with the situation.

I feel like you are joking.
Even Sun Tzu tells you, to never pick a fair fight. You need to be reasonable and manage your numbers. You know that v-tech are going to bring five, why can't lawyers bring 5? You don't have five people? Then instead of going, spend that time to get five people so you can go next time. This is some strange kind of blame game due to the low server population, where an amount you can count with one hand is an unreasonable swarm in a game with little to no regulation on pvp.

As for the second part, I occasionally hop on and help both lawyers and v-tech, depending on which one is outnumbered when they head off to fight.

[Caboose]

Question:

Who was the person we were supposed to have fought 5 v 1 today?

[vulture]

I was me....

[Count Matthew]

If V Techa are hungry for a fight. They need to be reasonable and manage their numbers. Small Time, I don't know how much you play or are in tune with the other factions (I know you play V Tech) but you are a little out of touch with the situation.

I feel like you are joking.
Even Sun Tzu tells you, to never pick a fair fight. You need to be reasonable and manage your numbers. You know that v-tech are going to bring five, why can't lawyers bring 5? You don't have five people? Then instead of going, spend that time to get five people so you can go next time. This is some strange kind of blame game due to the low server population, where an amount you can count with one hand is an unreasonable swarm in a game with little to no regulation on pvp.

As for the second part, I occasionally hop on and help both lawyers and v-tech, depending on which one is outnumbered when they head off to fight.

okay. An example. Lawyers start ZC.. they have three. V Tech will bring more. Whenever I play.. V Tech do not start ZC. Therefore they always respond to another faction. Lawyers will not be able to get enough people to compete because they are the ones that are being assualted. I know which Lawyer you are now. Lol.