FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix
General section => General Discussions => Topic started by: Count Matthew on March 03, 2015, 10:39:45 AM
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Why are you bringing 5 people to a ZC (one with PA) to fight against one lawyer?
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i'd like to know that too, thou i dont think we will get adequate answer.
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becoz they suck on equal numbers ^^
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the real question is, why are you bringing one lawyer to zc?
The v-tech guys clearly want to play. Could you imagine how annoying it would be to gear up and head out to pvp, and it's just one guy who is going to complain that there are too many enemies when you can count them on one hand?
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the real question is, why are you bringing one lawyer to zc?
The v-tech guys clearly want to play. Could you imagine how annoying it would be to gear up and head out to pvp, and it's just one guy who is going to complain that there are too many enemies when you can count them on one hand?
No, the question is, when V Techs see a timer that is going up by 1 each time, they decide to send 5 people.
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the real question is, why are you bringing one lawyer to zc?
The v-tech guys clearly want to play. Could you imagine how annoying it would be to gear up and head out to pvp, and it's just one guy who is going to complain that there are too many enemies when you can count them on one hand?
I might add that you can't know the number of opponents from the ZC timer. Only thing you can know for sure is that when it says 6 its >6. If it says 3 it might be >6 as well or just one. If it says 1 it might be 1, or 6, or 17. If you want to scavenge undisturbed just bring a stealthboy.
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> Why are you bringing 5 people to a ZC (one with PA) to fight against one lawyer?
Why not? We enjoy playing in team.
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I stopped caring what number the ticker gives us after the first ambush. When I can see from the fight that we are overwhelming I will stay back or run to the enemy escape route. I will not stay home so my team can get ambushed because the tickers says few enemies.
If you want a 1v1 get on an alt and ask for it. Then you can call people out if you get ambushed.
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> Why are you bringing 5 people to a ZC (one with PA) to fight against one lawyer?
Why not? We enjoy playing in team.
I believe "overkill" damages server population.
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
How does running when outnumbered ruin server population? I do not understand
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People get bored of running after you and thus starting to play different game.
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becoz they suck on equal numbers ^^
We seemed to do alright last night in Warmart, what was it? 2 Lawyers, 2 BB's and 3 Family Vs. 3 V-Tecs? Wiped the floor with the lot of you.
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Courier and Andy, please post the faction drama in the designated thread please.
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
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Do you honeslty think we stand gathering at the grid for one person in Enterprise?
I am so tired of people crying about overkill - if you don't want to die, don't come with one person. Look at server population, now check how many Lawyers are online. If server population is 20 and there are only 2 Lawyers on, chances are the rest will be V-tec or Family. Why try and cap Enterprise with one person in this instance? You think we should just not come?
We are so tired of being accused of encouraging swarm, we joke about it on the forums and in game, but personally I am tired of it.
I now only call for gather at grid when we don't have numbers, or PM people on mumble/forums.
But you guys do not help yourselves. The amount of times we've come with 5v5 family or lawyers for example, only to have BB's or Rats hiding in sewers or another zones has made alot of us no longer care.
All I can suggest is that Lawyers/Family/BB's recruit from your friends IRL and get some new blood involved.
And for the love of god move or delete V-tec recruitment in starting zone for a month or so.
Afterthought: How do you suggest we stop players entering the core???
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Courier and Andy, please post the faction drama in the designated thread please.
Lol this thread is the pinnacle of faction drama.
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Courier and Andy, please post the faction drama in the designated thread please.
Lol this thread is the pinnacle of faction drama.
It was a genuine question (no drama).
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Good Luck Count Matthew.
I lost faith that they will do anything thing to work on their issues, despite knowing them for six months.
If someone has a theory about what is happening in their head, it might be welcomed.
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becoz they suck on equal numbers ^^
We seemed to do alright last night in Warmart, what was it? 2 Lawyers, 2 BB's and 3 Family Vs. 3 V-Tecs? Wiped the floor with the lot of you.
dude come 3 vs 3 and u die , v tecs most degenartes yet and thats why server is dyin u cant deny it , ive heard it from many players when i asked why they left also i have experienced that shit myself quite often ...
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
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Do you honeslty think we stand gathering at the grid for one person in Enterprise?
I am so tired of people crying about overkill - if you don't want to die, don't come with one person. Look at server population, now check how many Lawyers are online. If server population is 20 and there are only 2 Lawyers on, chances are the rest will be V-tec or Family. Why try and cap Enterprise with one person in this instance? You think we should just not come?
We are so tired of being accused of encouraging swarm, we joke about it on the forums and in game, but personally I am tired of it.
I now only call for gather at grid when we don't have numbers, or PM people on mumble/forums.
But you guys do not help yourselves. The amount of times we've come with 5v5 family or lawyers for example, only to have BB's or Rats hiding in sewers or another zones has made alot of us no longer care.
All I can suggest is that Lawyers/Family/BB's recruit from your friends IRL and get some new blood involved.
And for the love of god move or delete V-tec recruitment in starting zone for a month or so.
Afterthought: How do you suggest we stop players entering the core???
its your own fault u see a timer which goes by 1 or 2 and u decide to come with minimum 4 which kinda sucks , i ahve seen it bymyself many times often silvicyius comes also with a PA to troll the enemy which is kinda lame , u could rather choose to go with same number and say ok lets keep it fair ... but u dont do . u do quite the opposite shit when theres a real enemy , when i was fighting with windrunner and the other laws u were wrecked easily but all the time we needed to wait 30 min for any action dunno why but thats a reason why people also lost interest , u rush smaller amount of people and dont show up when theres enemy such kinda behaviour really sucks ...
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I used PA only because Courier told me to. Sorry guys.
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If you are tired of it, do something, move one of your platoons to BBoys. It is not the first time someone tell you this. Don't act all innocent.
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I used PA only because Courier told me to. Sorry guys.
come in pa when theres any real opponent and not some timer by 1 or 2 ...
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I'm sorry I forgot Sylvicius is the only person with PA on server, how stupid of me. Iirc someone else we know quite often brought PA to small scale fights, but heck, he must have ran out.
Fights versus New Order was the most fun I've had this season, win or lose they made us think.
Courier you really are in a crying mood tonight.
What do you want us to do? Give me a solution? How do we stop randoms going for pvp?
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If you are tired of it, do something, move one of your platoons to BBoys. It is not the first time someone tell you this. Don't act all innocent.
Why should I switch faction? I want to play vtec and I played vtec when it was just me, Teela and Suff showing up for fights. I dont have an alt on another faction and I don't have a Rat character.
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I'm sorry I forgot Sylvicius is the only person with PA on server, how stupid of me. Iirc someone else we know quite often brought PA to small scale fights, but heck, he must have ran out.
Fights versus New Order was the most fun I've had this season, win or lose they made us think.
Courier you really are in a crying mood tonight.
What do you want us to do? Give me a solution? How do we stop randoms going for pvp?
do what u want u already have zero opponent becoz of your overall behaviour there are many solutions dont join randoms for example , let them go alone ... only fights now going on is when u are lucky that some random family is online or some leftover at laws ...
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I'm sorry I forgot Sylvicius is the only person with PA on server, how stupid of me. Iirc someone else we know quite often brought PA to small scale fights, but heck, he must have ran out.
Fights versus New Order was the most fun I've had this season, win or lose they made us think.
Courier you really are in a crying mood tonight.
What do you want us to do? Give me a solution? How do we stop randoms going for pvp?
do what u want u already have zero opponent becoz of your overall behaviour there are many solutions dont join randoms for example , let them go alone ... only fights now going on is when u are lucky that some random family is online or some leftover at laws ...
So you concede, Vtec win?
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dude what win , server is or will be dead go roleplay with barrels and train your twats against sporeplants
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dude what win , server is or will be dead go roleplay with barrels and train your twats against sporeplants
There will be peace in our time.
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cabose bigest ego maniac you meybe rule now but time will come and your ass will blister
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cabose bigest ego maniac you meybe rule now but time will come and your ass will blister
I understand you are upset. Things will get better, friend.
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
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Do you honeslty think we stand gathering at the grid for one person in Enterprise?
I am so tired of people crying about overkill - if you don't want to die, don't come with one person. Look at server population, now check how many Lawyers are online. If server population is 20 and there are only 2 Lawyers on, chances are the rest will be V-tec or Family. Why try and cap Enterprise with one person in this instance? You think we should just not come?
We are so tired of being accused of encouraging swarm, we joke about it on the forums and in game, but personally I am tired of it.
I now only call for gather at grid when we don't have numbers, or PM people on mumble/forums.
But you guys do not help yourselves. The amount of times we've come with 5v5 family or lawyers for example, only to have BB's or Rats hiding in sewers or another zones has made alot of us no longer care.
All I can suggest is that Lawyers/Family/BB's recruit from your friends IRL and get some new blood involved.
And for the love of god move or delete V-tec recruitment in starting zone for a month or so.
Afterthought: How do you suggest we stop players entering the core???
its your own fault u see a timer which goes by 1 or 2 and u decide to come with minimum 4 which kinda sucks , i ahve seen it bymyself many times often silvicyius comes also with a PA to troll the enemy which is kinda lame , u could rather choose to go with same number and say ok lets keep it fair ... but u dont do . u do quite the opposite shit when theres a real enemy , when i was fighting with windrunner and the other laws u were wrecked easily but all the time we needed to wait 30 min for any action dunno why but thats a reason why people also lost interest , u rush smaller amount of people and dont show up when theres enemy such kinda behaviour really sucks ...
There is a feeling in a lot of the other factions which agree with this.
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2 Lawyers and 2 Family were fighting in Walmart for a long time last night.
Lawyers didn't win one fight but at least it was enjoyable because there were equal numbers and a wide array of different tactics used.
Having to deal with being constantly out numbered in any ZC is very demoralising and I think it is something that needs to be considered by the guilty party. If V Techs see 2 people contesting a zone, they will not send two to fight - they will always send more. I know it is seen as good tactics (Why be out numbered when you can swarm?) but it is not fun.
TWATS comment is false because there are VERY few occasions when V Techs are out numbered or ''ambushed''. His comment is more vitriol than constructive.
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I used PA only because Courier told me to. Sorry guys.
I have a lot of respect for you, but to come in PA with 4 others against one lawyer is shocking.
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I'm sorry I forgot Sylvicius is the only person with PA on server, how stupid of me. Iirc someone else we know quite often brought PA to small scale fights, but heck, he must have ran out.
Fights versus New Order was the most fun I've had this season, win or lose they made us think.
Courier you really are in a crying mood tonight.
What do you want us to do? Give me a solution? How do we stop randoms going for pvp?
Give the attitude a break and interact on a rational level please, brother.
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cabose bigest ego maniac you meybe rule now but time will come and your ass will blister
Could you be more specific on what he rules ?
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I'm sorry I forgot Sylvicius is the only person with PA on server, how stupid of me. Iirc someone else we know quite often brought PA to small scale fights, but heck, he must have ran out.
Fights versus New Order was the most fun I've had this season, win or lose they made us think.
Courier you really are in a crying mood tonight.
What do you want us to do? Give me a solution? How do we stop randoms going for pvp?
Give the attitude a break and interact on a rational level please, brother.
I give you three questions and you answer none of them, you don't want a discussion, you want to cry. Please stop crying and try and enter this conversation on even a slightly more intelligent level or you really will see irrational, brother.
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ok . I play the most . For the last month or so I have been in the core the most . Everyone knows I work at home and play day and night. If one of you asked us for 3v3, lets say, we may oblige. If you start capping at 2 we assume you have more. If you wanted a fair fight then you would ask for one. If you don't set up rules then we cannot break any rules. We want to fight and I will agree to fight with rules sometimes. If you sit in a toilet then I will bring as many twats as I can to come find you.
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ok . I play the most . For the last month or so I have been in the core the most . Everyone knows I work at home and play day and night. If one of you asked us for 3v3, lets say, we may oblige. If you start capping at 2 we assume you have more. If you wanted a fair fight then you would ask for one. If you don't set up rules then we cannot break any rules. We want to fight and I will agree to fight with rules sometimes. If you sit in a toilet then I will bring as many twats as I can to come find you.
Oh snap! V-Tec Twat Swarm just kicked in, yo!
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
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Do you honeslty think we stand gathering at the grid for one person in Enterprise?
I am so tired of people crying about overkill - if you don't want to die, don't come with one person. Look at server population, now check how many Lawyers are online. If server population is 20 and there are only 2 Lawyers on, chances are the rest will be V-tec or Family. Why try and cap Enterprise with one person in this instance? You think we should just not come?
We are so tired of being accused of encouraging swarm, we joke about it on the forums and in game, but personally I am tired of it.
I now only call for gather at grid when we don't have numbers, or PM people on mumble/forums.
But you guys do not help yourselves. The amount of times we've come with 5v5 family or lawyers for example, only to have BB's or Rats hiding in sewers or another zones has made alot of us no longer care.
All I can suggest is that Lawyers/Family/BB's recruit from your friends IRL and get some new blood involved.
And for the love of god move or delete V-tec recruitment in starting zone for a month or so.
Afterthought: How do you suggest we stop players entering the core???
its your own fault u see a timer which goes by 1 or 2 and u decide to come with minimum 4 which kinda sucks , i ahve seen it bymyself many times often silvicyius comes also with a PA to troll the enemy which is kinda lame , u could rather choose to go with same number and say ok lets keep it fair ... but u dont do . u do quite the opposite shit when theres a real enemy , when i was fighting with windrunner and the other laws u were wrecked easily but all the time we needed to wait 30 min for any action dunno why but thats a reason why people also lost interest , u rush smaller amount of people and dont show up when theres enemy such kinda behaviour really sucks ...
There is a feeling in a lot of the other factions which agree with this.
The situation is however, that you don't know enemy numbers from ticker. And that you, as a v-tec, don't know if its lawyers, lawyers and family, lawyers and family and BB or lawyers and family and BB and factionless you're up against.
I've spend god how many hours in core waiting for an enemy that doesn't come. I don't think this Vtec specific. I think its a part of playing on an underpopulated server.
You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.
You can't call 5 people a swarm.
You can't blame Vtec for not showing to fights if the only fcking faction that is fighting is Vtec. Must have been at least a month that I last saw a fight that didn't involve Vtec.
I want a healthy and balanced player base as much as anyone else. But posts like these don't really work towards that mutual goal in a constructive manner now do they Matthew?
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ok . I play the most . For the last month or so I have been in the core the most . Everyone knows I work at home and play day and night. If one of you asked us for 3v3, lets say, we may oblige. If you start capping at 2 we assume you have more. If you wanted a fair fight then you would ask for one. If you don't set up rules then we cannot break any rules. We want to fight and I will agree to fight with rules sometimes. If you sit in a toilet then I will bring as many twats as I can to come find you.
I guess common sense and fairness does not prevail here.
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1 person doing ZC?... then I believe you can not kill what's already dead.
As I said, we like to play in team. Bring team, so we don't have to do what we don't like: go 1v1.
Also I have to say, toilet camping / running from pvp for an hour certainly are not better for server population, how you think.
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Do you honeslty think we stand gathering at the grid for one person in Enterprise?
I am so tired of people crying about overkill - if you don't want to die, don't come with one person. Look at server population, now check how many Lawyers are online. If server population is 20 and there are only 2 Lawyers on, chances are the rest will be V-tec or Family. Why try and cap Enterprise with one person in this instance? You think we should just not come?
We are so tired of being accused of encouraging swarm, we joke about it on the forums and in game, but personally I am tired of it.
I now only call for gather at grid when we don't have numbers, or PM people on mumble/forums.
But you guys do not help yourselves. The amount of times we've come with 5v5 family or lawyers for example, only to have BB's or Rats hiding in sewers or another zones has made alot of us no longer care.
All I can suggest is that Lawyers/Family/BB's recruit from your friends IRL and get some new blood involved.
And for the love of god move or delete V-tec recruitment in starting zone for a month or so.
Afterthought: How do you suggest we stop players entering the core???
its your own fault u see a timer which goes by 1 or 2 and u decide to come with minimum 4 which kinda sucks , i ahve seen it bymyself many times often silvicyius comes also with a PA to troll the enemy which is kinda lame , u could rather choose to go with same number and say ok lets keep it fair ... but u dont do . u do quite the opposite shit when theres a real enemy , when i was fighting with windrunner and the other laws u were wrecked easily but all the time we needed to wait 30 min for any action dunno why but thats a reason why people also lost interest , u rush smaller amount of people and dont show up when theres enemy such kinda behaviour really sucks ...
There is a feeling in a lot of the other factions which agree with this.
The situation is however, that you don't know enemy numbers from ticker. And that you, as a v-tec, don't know if its lawyers, lawyers and family, lawyers and family and BB or lawyers and family and BB and factionless you're up against.
I've spend god how many hours in core waiting for an enemy that doesn't come. I don't think this Vtec specific. I think its a part of playing on an underpopulated server.
You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.
You can't call 5 people a swarm.
You can't blame Vtec for not showing to fights if the only fcking faction that is fighting is Vtec. Must have been at least a month that I last saw a fight that didn't involve Vtec.
I want a healthy and balanced player base as much as anyone else. But posts like these don't really work towards that mutual goal in a constructive manner now do they Matthew?
Again - common sense.
there are 10 people online.
8 of them are on V Tech.
2 of them are in another faction.
They are NOT going to attack you with more than two.
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It's actually easy to stop them from doing this ''unfair'' pvp.
Exclude them from pvp, easy as that. Want to setup pvp matches, ask with your alt if anyone wants to fight against you, organize a 3 vs 3 or 2 vs 2 fights and have fun. Its sad but the server is underpopulated at the moment so lobby fights needs to be made.
That way everyone will be happy and vtecs can swarm gayckos forever, noone will have to cry swarm again.
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I am going to round up the conversation here.
I was shocked to have heard that 5 V Techs (one in PA) came to fight against 1 person in ZC.
No matter what you try to argue here, it is obvious that it was overkill, completely and undeniable.
It is testament to how the V Techs view a fight, I know because I was a V Tech from the very start (before Teela and Caboose) - they will very rarely engage in a fight unless they out number the foe.
When their foe becomes demoralised due to constant losing, due to being being outnumbered, it does not make the game very fun for their foe.
Their foe will stop playing and it will end a game that we all enjoy playing so much.
V Tech was my first faction and one that I hold very dear, but I grew a pair and left because I wanted to make the game more competitive.
Basically, some V Techs need to change factions OR deliberately stop the swarming.
End of.
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Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?
Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.
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Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?
Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.
I can't tell if he's trying to troll or not :/
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Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?
Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.
Teela, I didn't say that. Stop twisting my words
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if vtec signup was shut down for a month or two it would change everything. we only outnumber by a few guys. If morale was not a factor you would have enough players every day.
had 10 tecs online earlier. only 5 for zc though.
edit: i remember a few times when so many enemies long on for one battle, take our stuff, and I never see them again. Where are those guys and wtf
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You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.
You can't call 5 people a swarm.
can't stress this enough. I'll move the v-tech recruiter somewhere for a few days if it'll make you guys happy, but I don't think we exactly have an influx of players at the moment anyway.
Edit: And you know the moment I do, someone will send a bug report that the v-tech guy is missing
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You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.
You can't call 5 people a swarm.
can't stress this enough. I'll move the v-tech recruiter into the river for a few days if it'll make you guys happy, but I don't think we exactly have an influx of players at the moment anyway.
Edit: And you know the moment I do, someone will send a bug report that the v-tech guy is missing
If V Techa are hungry for a fight. They need to be reasonable and manage their numbers. Small Time, I don't know how much you play or are in tune with the other factions (I know you play V Tech) but you are a little out of touch with the situation.
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You can't hold Vtec responsible for the fact that you don't have the numbers.
You can't call 5 people a swarm.
can't stress this enough. I'll move the v-tech recruiter into the river for a few days if it'll make you guys happy, but I don't think we exactly have an influx of players at the moment anyway.
Edit: And you know the moment I do, someone will send a bug report that the v-tech guy is missing
Just ignore the bug report for a week :D
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make the guy say that recruitment is closed at the moment due to lack of rooms
"As much as we appreciate your desire to join the v-tecs, we are unable to grant you membership due to logistical and rooming constraints. As soon as the overcrowding as been resolved, we will reopen our doors, and welcome you among our ranks."
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Just ignore the bug report for a week :D
But why should we suddenly adress bug reports twice as fast?
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Just ignore the bug report for a week :D
But why should we suddenly adress bug reports twice as fast?
Touché
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Just ignore the bug report for a week :D
But why should we suddenly adress bug reports twice as fast?
rofl
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Dear lord, so now we're to blame for low server population because we are the people still actually playing the server?
Matthew if I have a conversation that needs rounding up in the future I'll hire you. Your sense of absurdism is unparallelled.
Since when the fact you are playing is a problem. ? Problem is that you don't do a shit for balance and try to deny facts when brought up to you. There was no need for argument lastings weeks/months. By the time we told you that the first time, you had the time to make lvl24+ characters in the four factions + even a factionless one, like many other players did. (actually, not five characters, but many players has effective chars in 2-3 factions to help the balance, or play when no one is around, or help them speed up their timers; or because they got bored by their first faction, or any other reason). Even if you had doubt the first few days, the fact i lasted so much time should have made you react, instead of insisting to stay stuck on that downfall. I think i lost faith in V-tec since recent post from paragon/Caboose that shown a will to maintain hate at all cost, but as said many times, you aren't stuck in a loop. You have many tools to change the situation. The only thing lacking is the actual will to do it.
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If V Techa are hungry for a fight. They need to be reasonable and manage their numbers. Small Time, I don't know how much you play or are in tune with the other factions (I know you play V Tech) but you are a little out of touch with the situation.
I feel like you are joking.
Even Sun Tzu tells you, to never pick a fair fight. You need to be reasonable and manage your numbers. You know that v-tech are going to bring five, why can't lawyers bring 5? You don't have five people? Then instead of going, spend that time to get five people so you can go next time. This is some strange kind of blame game due to the low server population, where an amount you can count with one hand is an unreasonable swarm in a game with little to no regulation on pvp.
As for the second part, I occasionally hop on and help both lawyers and v-tech, depending on which one is outnumbered when they head off to fight.
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Question:
Who was the person we were supposed to have fought 5 v 1 today?
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I was me....
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If V Techa are hungry for a fight. They need to be reasonable and manage their numbers. Small Time, I don't know how much you play or are in tune with the other factions (I know you play V Tech) but you are a little out of touch with the situation.
I feel like you are joking.
Even Sun Tzu tells you, to never pick a fair fight. You need to be reasonable and manage your numbers. You know that v-tech are going to bring five, why can't lawyers bring 5? You don't have five people? Then instead of going, spend that time to get five people so you can go next time. This is some strange kind of blame game due to the low server population, where an amount you can count with one hand is an unreasonable swarm in a game with little to no regulation on pvp.
As for the second part, I occasionally hop on and help both lawyers and v-tech, depending on which one is outnumbered when they head off to fight.
okay. An example. Lawyers start ZC.. they have three. V Tech will bring more. Whenever I play.. V Tech do not start ZC. Therefore they always respond to another faction. Lawyers will not be able to get enough people to compete because they are the ones that are being assualted. I know which Lawyer you are now. Lol.
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You knew there was one person zc'ing because you killed me prior to that fight. Then you turned up with a PA, and a larger group. Just to have a nice fair fight. Then after the fight you proceeded to Defib me, and toy with me, just to finally kill me again.
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okay. An example. Lawyers start ZC.. they have three. V Tech will bring more. Whenever I play.. V Tech do not start ZC. Therefore they always respond to another faction. Lawyers will not be able to get enough people to compete because they are the ones that are being assualted. I know which Lawyer you are now. Lol.
They magically always have more people because they are on the offensive? see if family/bb want to help if you are so scared of being outnumbered. v-tech are the most numerous faction, but when you put your heads together...
Also, what lawyer do you think I am?
I was me....
(http://i.imgur.com/TaNtXHi.jpg)
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okay. An example. Lawyers start ZC.. they have three. V Tech will bring more. Whenever I play.. V Tech do not start ZC. Therefore they always respond to another faction. Lawyers will not be able to get enough people to compete because they are the ones that are being assualted. I know which Lawyer you are now. Lol.
They magically always have more people because they are on the offensive? see if family/bb want to help if you are so scared of being outnumbered. v-tech are the most numerous faction, but when you put your heads together...
Also, what lawyer do you think I am?
I was me....
(http://i.imgur.com/TaNtXHi.jpg)
Zapp.
I've had some gin now so I am no longer as fluent and articulate.
It is impossible for me to contact other factions.
New Feature: introduce carrier pigeons that can be used from the utlity slot which sends messages to other factions.
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I was me....
That was 2 v 1 Vulture and you called us to your location set with traps and mines in the Vault in Enterprises.
Also there were BB's in Enterprises too and zone was already contested before we entered.
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I can try to get together the antiswarm coalition again of course as it isn't that hard for me but I am kinda busy these days. Will get to it as soon as I can, anyone who wants to join contact me. Lets get back to wrecking tecs already it was and will be always fun to hunt them ;D
v-tech are the most numerous faction, but when you put your heads together...
lol smalltime wasnt you telling me not to do that ?
That we wont have any pvp if we did that ?
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I have a video caboose, It was 5 v 1 and one of you was wearing PA. :)
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lol smalltime wasnt you telling me not to do that ?
That we wont have any pvp if we did that ?
I'm not a fan of the alliances, but with the current server population it's probably required. At that previous point, you guys were outnumbering THEM pretty badly as well.
Also, no, I am not capp zap.
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I have a video caboose, It was 5 v 1 and one of you was wearing PA. :)
post the video
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I can try to get together the antiswarm coalition again of course as it isn't that hard for me but I am kinda busy these days. Will get to it as soon as I can, anyone who wants to join contact me. Lets get back to wrecking tecs already it was and will be always fun to hunt them ;D
It seems a nice consolation that i migh look into, but remains a consolation not a solution. The problem is still there. The server is meant for four faction with balanced number. As long as there is no balance, the server is still broken. We need more Brahmin boys and less V-TEC. We need the V-TEC to aknowledge what is obvious for everyone else and make characters in other factions or move some some already existing. It depend on if they want to level up again, but new characters seems better, as they will have the opportunity to log on their V-TEC chars again if their second faction has enough people, or if the VTEC territory is treatened, like many other players do, and log back on their new char afterward. Sure level new char implies being a bit weaker for a week, but it is a billion time better than a a broken server in which you are 12 to rush 4 guys. There is nothing to play with that number, no suspense at all. What is left is a dead server.
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I can try to get together the antiswarm coalition again of course as it isn't that hard for me but I am kinda busy these days. Will get to it as soon as I can, anyone who wants to join contact me. Lets get back to wrecking tecs already it was and will be always fun to hunt them ;D
It seems a nice consolation that i migh look into, but remains a consolation not a solution. The problem is still there. The server is meant for four faction with balanced number. As long as there is no balance, the server is still broken. We need more Brahmin boys and less V-TEC. We need the V-TEC to aknowledge what is obvious for everyone else and make characters in other factions or move some some already existing. It depend on if they want to level up again, but new characters seems better, as they will have the opportunity to log on their V-TEC chars again if their second faction has enough people, or if the VTEC territory is treatened, like many other players do, and log back on their new char afterward. Sure level new char implies being a bit weaker for a week, but it is a billion time better than a a broken server in which you are 12 to rush 4 guys. There is nothing to play with that number, no suspense at all. What is left is a dead server.
So basically you are saying that if we don't roll BB's we are breaking the server? No matter that I think it's fundamentally wrong and damaging to the game to play multiple factions, not to mention it harms freindships and team dynamic of group that some of us have played in for 6 months? The same names you see pop up again and again for Vtec generally get on really well, we talk on mumble, have a joke, do assignments, dungeons and ZC. So we have to become enemies for the sake of the server and because youa re unable to recruit people to your factions.
No matter what you all think, Vtec works for a variety of reasons. Players like Teela and TWAT help new players with gear. Discussions happen on a daily basis about tactics on mumble. Suff and DJ Drill help new players with builds. We talk none stop about changelogs and best weapon choices.
Maybe if you did the same, more people would be willing to hang about your respective factions during quiet periods and not leave the game in search of a new or old servers.
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u dont forced to join BB as a v tec devs changed the system so that u can join any other faction beside the one u left . peace
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the average fight is more like 3v2 or 5v3. we do not have that many guys doing ZC and if we do then half of us are twat fodder. we have more, but not that much more.
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It's pretty simple.
When you don't have numbers to win a fight, blame vtech.
When enemy doesn't show up for a fight, blame vtech.
Human nature.
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> I guess common sense and fairness does not prevail here.
They both are subjective. In the same time, most of Fonline veterans will say there is not common sense and fairness in Fonline, that's why it's fonline.
I know about many things which I consider to be unfair and far from common sense from each of the sides, we all deserve each over in this.
I stopped reading most of messages from other factions on the forum because I believe it has nothing close to common sense. Still I believe I was and still am the only person who worked on and suggested agreement to have organized "fair" pvp. No one ever answered.
I see a lot of situations when v-tec enters the zone, when lawyers have more people inside. Guess what, it takes 30-40 minutes of amazing pvp (opening all doors) to find you. If you consider camping the toilet with close combat is fair and fun (common sense, cuz we play for fun) than I have to say searching for 1 person with 5 people is 5 times faster and 5 times more common sense.
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dident read thread but "nerf more paragon"
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So much fail in this thread, too lazy to quote it all ;D
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vtec swarms are this game's trademark
you know
they're like the Crazy88 of AoP
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vtec swarms are this game's trademark
you know
they're like the Crazy88 of AoP
Things are looking up @ the moment. Plans are coming together. :D
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vtec swarms are this game's trademark
you know
they're like the Crazy88 of AoP
Things are looking up @ the moment. Plans are coming together. :D
How so?
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vtec swarms are this game's trademark
you know
they're like the Crazy88 of AoP
Things are looking up @ the moment. Plans are coming together. :D
How so?
everyone hates them, but you just can't live them
just like the C88
surely your swarms are annoying sometimes
but the game would get even worse if those didn't exist
there'd be no players at all
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but the game would get even worse if those didn't exist
Most players in the same faction or no players at all, there is still no balance.
I hope we won't have to wait another six months for that.
We might reach the 0 players mark by then...