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[naossano]

Shangalar option is so reroll-friendly that it is almost like it was free, and there is still whinning...
Come on, you just want to reroll ten times in a single evening of fighting.

[MARXMAN]

All along I was wrong. It's so much clearer right now.

Gonna add cost for all additional controls, custom interface indications, item management, filters and etc. They affect economy in a terrible way.

Some kind of drug for each one, 500 caps or something around that.

Probably need to work in this way, like hide item descriptions until you've played with it for some time and earned some rpg skill and experience with it.

I'm so sorry I overwhelmed the game with too much hotkeys like using stimpacks on others. It takes too much attention and skill to learn it and master the basic game instead.

I think we also finally need to extend real rpg experience by punishing death, taking 1 character's level each time.

UPD: breath in, breath out. There's a point I'm surely missing. I played test session of unfinished game with the obviously different concept from that I imagined. There are some things I've never been agreed with, which is perfectly ok and unavoidable, but here are some points I can't accept and go along with. And it feels unexpectedly personal. Guess I need a break.

You really must need a break, I barely bat an eyelash at anything on the forums anymore. I don't get what you're so up in arms about with the rerolls things.  When I read your post, what I got from it was, "People don't agree with me, oh no. This is a fact everyone should be agreeing on, where do I go wrong?" It seems to me everyone, including the devs, has a different vision for what AoP should be. 

Shangalar option is so reroll-friendly that it is almost like it was free, and there is still whinning...
Come on, you just want to reroll ten times in a single evening of fighting.

Very much agreed.

[John Porno]

It seems to me everyone, including the devs, has a different vision for what AoP should be.

Back in the day, aka pre-cirn, it was shangalar, lidae and me met on mumble and talked and brainstormed and wrote lenghty threads and talked about it and revised and usually found something that we all were happy with.

Nowadays it's just cirn and me on irc doing stupid shit

It's not so much about different vision as it is about different ways of reaching it. I never felt like there was any conflict within the devteams about features or content, certainly one or the other heated argument over the years but that's no problem.

[MARXMAN]

It seems to me everyone, including the devs, has a different vision for what AoP should be.

Back in the day, aka pre-cirn, it was shangalar, lidae and me met on mumble and talked and brainstormed and wrote lenghty threads and talked about it and revised and usually found something that we all were happy with.

Nowadays it's just cirn and me on irc doing stupid shit

It's not so much about different vision as it is about different ways of reaching it. I never felt like there was any conflict within the devteams about features or content, certainly one or the other heated argument over the years but that's no problem.

I more meant the dev team as a whole. Through the discussions I've been a part of and seen on the forums I've determined that AoP is something different to everyone, which is a good thing. The bad part is when everyone wants the game to be shaped and changed to their own liking, sometimes in spite of changes that are planned or implemented. I know there is some grand scheme of things for next season, and this season is just bug testing pretty much, but many people act like this iteration of AoP is what it's going to be forever. I look forward to things changing, and even though I may not always agree with a change it's not my game. I'm a player, I dont develop crap, nor did I play fonline as much as some of the people giving input. I don't think most of us here on the forums understand that what were all arguing about is probably planned to be changed for many good reasons beyond face value, and much of what we whine and moan about is already planned for next season.  ATM, the forums just feels like people pushing and pulling to try and get the current build changed their way because they have some sort of odd interpretation of how they think the game should be.


tldr

Im just here for the ride

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

For those reasons, I think rerolling should be limited. Something satisfying for me would be to grant every fresh character 3 free rerolls, then allow more rerolls as long as the player pays the price. 500 caps for example for the first one, then it would skyrocket based on a variable that increases with each further reroll, and decreases with time.

Fuck your rerolling cost and fuck your skyrocket rerolls!
fuck! Just keep it how it is. It's not like rerolling from sniper to sneaker gonna kill the whole balance of PvP ingame. And so what it takes times for the noobs to reroll? If they master it they can do it in less than 3 minutes

Nowadays it's just cirn and me on irc doing stupid shit

This explains why so much bullshit was implemented. Door Glue bullshit, mozambique shotty, crappy cripples, fucken faction money?! a 1 hour fun box!? WTF?!SSOOQQAAAAAAAA

[cirn0]

I'm not going to deny, our srsdev to stupid shit ratio is pretty good.

[Shangalar]

Stalker, please behave or stay out of the debate. And if you re drunk, just stay out of it.

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

Sorry, just expressing how much I will hate if you guys add price to reroll

[twat]

now it is guaranteed  =D

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

now it is guaranteed  =D

ANARCHY!!!! RRIIOOOOTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

**Throws random Javelin**

[mafiapl]

Rerolls should be buyable for 10k caps in next season. Or like in WoW talents can be swapped between 2 builds.
The process should be automatic.

[naossano]

This explains why so much bullshit was implemented. Door Glue bullshit, mozambique shotty, crappy cripples, fucken faction money?! a 1 hour fun box!? WTF?!SSOOQQAAAAAAAA

I have no problems with those. Although i mind camouflage, being unable to see inventory when waiting for revive, or the grinding involved around Power Armor...

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

I have no problems with those. Although i mind camouflage, being unable to see inventory when waiting for revive, or the grinding involved around Power Armor...

You're rarely on to experience this bullshit...

Rerolls should be buyable for 10k caps in next season. Or like in WoW talents can be swapped between 2 builds.
The process should be automatic.

Are you serious? Caps are already heavily spent on gear for PvPing.

[cirn0]

Trusssssssttttttttt innnnnnnnnn meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~~~~~

No matter what bullshit may come, i'll try to make it worthwhile  .

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

[mAdman]

Possible solutions:
Perhaps introduction of character states to save a couple of predefined roles is in order.
Say up to 3 per character, and if you want to rewrite one you have to pay.
Of course pay for each slot and only available in your HQ.
The one click re-roll you want with the limited rerolling I want.

Seems like I'm the only one, but I really like this idea, it solves the problem of certain roles going offline and ruining composition, while also allowing the feeling of fulfilling a role and having an "identity" in terms of an RPG like Shangalar spoke about.

Even if it was just a second (already selected) character preset that a player could switch to at base. That way a player has his main class that he enjoys the playstyle of the most while being able to change roles quickly and to great effect. (E.G. If someone played a sniper as his main, he may want a melee tank as his second "profile", or a sneaker may want a tank burster as his second profile, keeping options open for quick and easy team composition switch ups.

Don't get me wrong I love free rerolls, and this server has the best reroll system by far, so I do feel  a bit like, if it ain't broke don't fix it but, it is pretty silly being able to morph into whatever you feel whenever you feel with no restriction.

[RazorRamon]

Shangalar option is so reroll-friendly that it is almost like it was free, and there is still whinning...

That's because it is seriously the worst suggestion/idea in the whole thread. Rising costs on each reroll punishes good players that reroll to fix holes in the team composition and benefits retards that play the same build every battle.



Just go with cirno's 3 slots and pay to change one of them

[Teela]

I side with ramon here. Old system sucked ass. New system was never a new system but a dirty fix for the old one. Want unlimited rerolls go play nethack.

[naossano]

Shangalar option is so reroll-friendly that it is almost like it was free, and there is still whinning...

That's because it is seriously the worst suggestion/idea in the whole thread. Rising costs on each reroll punishes good players that reroll to fix holes in the team composition and benefits retards that play the same build every battle.



Just go with cirno's 3 slots and pay to change one of them

You purposly forget that this cost also decrease over time.
It punish abuse while allowing fair use of reroll without much cost.

[John Porno]

the cost should be fixed though, cause else you always feel guilty for reroling or have second thoughts about it and it would just create a lot of negativity without any real gain.