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[faopcurious]

Well... Take watchtower if you are scared of those things then?..

I ain't afraid of no ghosts!.... I mean sneaks.

[Weasel]

There should totally be a sneak nerf/rework from the way i see things. At first i figured they should simply be removed from the game altogheter, but i GUESS they would be okay as scouts and video makers. (What they were always meant to be)

What is definatly NOT okay however, is the retarded invisible mass murderers of the X dimensions that we currently have. This isnt wizards online, and that ''invisibility spell'' on the sneaks is just plain dumb. I.E.: im walking around with a friend....he gets bursted by a sneak like 3-4 bursts in a row, i notice the guy, click him....aim-time aaaaand he vanished before i can shoot! NPC patrols also dont react when sneaks shoot you, even if your only 10 hexes from them....Heck npc patrols dont even react when you DO manage to shoot the sneak, ya gotta shoot em twice!
When the whole map is owned by hound swarm, and suddenly we get v-tec sneaks everywhere camping the gates, murdering all bluesuits that go to scavenge for no apparent reasons.....this comes to mind:Law 5. Feature abusing
Finding a new evil plan to smash your enemies hard is usually tolerated in FOnline, as the wasteland is a place for smart and cunning people. However, we do not allow anyone to simply ruin the experience of others.

Long story short: Remove the ''sneak'' weapon perks on all guns: Problem fixed.
Sneaks will once again have to show themselsves if they want to murder someone, making it not only much more tactical play but giving a chance to the would-be victim to do something. Instead of just crushing everyone with the power of mathematics.....3Invisible guysx3 burst each= Win!
*Yes, i WOULD leave sneak perks for some melee weapons, because you at the very least get the chance to see your killer. And also because it's not broken like hell*

**This would probably get us like 100 players back too**

[RazorRamon]

i GUESS they would be okay as scouts and video makers. (What they were always meant to be)

[Quotation needed]

[Weasel]

'' To be or not to be-that is the question.''
William Shakespeare


Happy Ramon?

[RazorRamon]

Nah im happy when you stop pulling opinions out of your ass and presenting them as facts

[Weasel]

Oh right, im so terribly sorry your majesty!

Fact1: Sneaks are broken!
Fact2: RazorRamon is the Lord of all Trolls, treat him with the respect he deserves!

[RazorRamon]

"Cant make a counterpoint in an argument? Better call him a troll, that'll show him!"

[wojciech]

Oh right, im so terribly sorry your majesty!

Fact1: Sneaks are broken!
Fact2: RazorRamon is the Lord of all Trolls, treat him with the respect he deserves!

He is low troll. High tech troll can make everybody laugh, he is only pathetic.

[Weasel]

Meh, alright Ramon, i got a few minutes to educate you:

I don't even want to play a battle character cause seeing how easily one sneak can take me down...so I'm just forced to play a sneaker.

#1: This^ Most people wont bother to make a sneaker, most people came here for pvp fights, ZC and the army-style tactical warfare that we see in the AOP pvp videos. So Most people will just quit.

You name the problem, you dont name a solution

I did name a solution tho: Remove the sneak perks that lets you re-hide after shooting. You shoot-> your visible. Your visible-> Gotta hide to re-sneak

Nah im happy when you stop pulling opinions out of your ass and presenting them as facts

Well, im sorry if my Ass is smarter than your Brain. You asked for a Quotation and i gave you one, if you didnt understand it, then you could have just asked, no shame in it.

"Cant make a counterpoint in an argument? Better call him a troll, that'll show him!"

''Can't understand what he meant? Say he's talking out of his ass, that'l show him!''

[PusiteGA]

sorry ramon but i am +1 for this

Your visible-> Gotta hide to re-sneak

if gotta hide = have to exit  forward Vision (q) of enemy

anywey i dont think sneek op just people dont use watchtower cuz they greedy

[scabs]

I like the idea of having sneakers as scouts in ZC, they have a solid role and usage there, but I never liked pure invisibility as a mechanical representation of stealth in any game.

I liked how Starcraft, the later Fallouts, and Planetside 2 have this sort of perceived warped area representation of cloaking. But since we're dealing with the graphics we have, instead of just completely removing a character's sprite from someone else's view, we could use different percentages of opacity on the sneaker's sprite. For example 5~10% opacity at full sneak advantage, 15~30% opacity at half sneak advantage...etc or what ever percentage works. That way it takes away some mechanical skill and replaces it with actual observational skill of both players.

[cirn0]

I like the idea of having sneakers as scouts in ZC, they have a solid role and usage there, but I never liked pure invisibility as a mechanical representation of stealth in any game.

I liked how Starcraft, the later Fallouts, and Planetside 2 have this sort of perceived warped area representation of cloaking. But since we're dealing with the graphics we have, instead of just completely removing a character's sprite from someone else's view, we could use different percentages of opacity on the sneaker's sprite. For example 5~10% opacity at full sneak advantage, 15~30% opacity at half sneak advantage...etc or what ever percentage works. That way it takes away some mechanical skill and replaces it with actual observational skill of both players.

You're asking for a lot and I think I might be willing to deliver

[Scalesan]

wouldn't be necessary removal of  clientside frame customization then? Or is it possible to add transparency to any existing frames without editing?

[Perteks]

Wouldn't that be ease to change with different model to cancel that or % visibility is some kind of ingame mechanic what can't be changed from client side?

Oh I see scalesan already asked it, but if Cirno want to nigger this out let him do it

[RazorRamon]

ty based scabs,
only person here that doesnt cry but instead offers a good solution

[scabs]

Might be an issue with targeting though, like when you press attack you can see red outlines on everything. Have to make people with high enough sneak advantage have no outlines, but I'm on the fence about being able to shoot them if they have full sneak advantage - fair enough if someone is that observant to see someone at 5~odd% opacity, but don't want people just spamming attack on every empty grid trying to get lucky and land a shot.

[A Phoenix citizen]

No silent runing perk would be good too, you still can make something out of sneak but it would need to set some trap to use it offensivly not just stupid following and backstab

I think thats the best way to solve sneak issues (other than removing sneak completely). That would allow loners and new players to discover the core without being killed by invisible enemy who can simply follow them at running speed.

[John Porno]

certain powerplayers WILL replace LJ with a 2000x2000 bright red box.


I vote for tesla armor randomly dispersing energy, deactivating all stealthboys in 15hex area. Then all noobs who arent gitting gud just yet can use that and I can continue killing sneaks with my torsospammers

[RazorRamon]

No silent running perk

Great suggestion, while we're at it, also disable running on everyone carrying more than 30kg of weight.

[faopcurious]

No silent running perk

Great suggestion, while we're at it, also disable running on everyone carrying more than 30kg of weight.

If you are using CA mk2 or higher you fall down randomly......... no I'm serious, not being sarcastic.