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[The Brazilian Slaughter]

So I've been thinking about doing a new char and playing Sewer Rat-style for teh lulz.

So, what would be the best build for a self-reliant loner without a faction?
Remember:
- Sewer Rats have no craft benches (so no use in relics and crafting components besides trade)
- Sewer Rats have no traders (besides other players) - also makes misc junk useless
- Sewer Rats have no companions to tank, heal or defib
- Sewer Rats have no room to stash or put containers in
- No Assigs

Here's what I got with some thinking, so far:

- CH 100% useless

- PE very useful, you will need extra ability to see people from afar. Alternatively, go low PE and keep away from open spaces through sewer crawling.

- EN vital, you don't have anyone to defib or heal you.

- ST doesn't sound useful, most guns don't require much ST and you don't need much carry weight because you will be doing quick loots and going to stash it somewhere hidden within the Core.

- For combat skill, I think the best tags are Small Guns and Close Combat. Small Guns are easy to find in the Core, ammo too. Close Combat is even easier to find the good weaponry and allows you something to scrap by if you run out of ammo.

- Remember - you can't buy ammo or craft. You have to get by scavenging, killing NPCs and trading with players (good luck not getting shot instead) - Big Guns and Energy depend a lot of trading for ammo and crafting for the best weaponry, so they don't seem to be worth it.

(throwing might be useful too)

- For secondary skills, Leadership is useless (unless Sewer Rats can enter faction squads or make squads with their sewer rat pals, then it could be useful), traps are useless (because you can't craft), First Aid/Doctor are clearly best. Sneak might be either very useful or useless, because you can't buy stealthboys and energy cells, so you essentially depend on random luck or PKing to get them.

- Sewer Rats don't get attacked by patrols (unless epic negative rep) so they can use them to ward potential attackers that are hostile to the patrol. Hanging near patrols in say, Lawyer-controlled Verde might be a good ideia.

Thinking if a Sewer Rat player is best serviced by a sniper build or a tank close-combat build that rellies on using sewer crawling and close spaces to snuff out sneakers and kill snipers out of their element or just going sneaker/CC somehow and stabbing people in the back.

- Can a Sewer Rat tag someone from a faction and go into a dungeon? Might be a nice source of items.

[Myakot]

Whenever I think of factionless players all I can think of is a melee-sneak as a viable choice.

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

Whenever I think of factionless players all I can think of is a melee-sneak as a viable choice.

I thought about it, too. Easy to get the weapons, minimal ammo needs, easy scaving.

Doesn't the recent increase of SEC by Stealthboy coupled by the fact Stealthboys are very very very rare in The Core makes it inviable? Seems like only way to get one is to kill a sneaker.

[Stem Sunders]

Tried this again last night as a mele sneaker. Got pretty far and found some awesome loot. The moment I stopped by family gate I ran into the toilet close by to rest for a second and upon entering I was met by Ramon who one shotted me

Even though dying will be even more frequent as a factionless player I think its a very interesting concept one that keeps me coming back to try new things.

I agree with what you say about viable factionless builds.


A couple of screens, I made it alllll the way across the core without hindrance, but the moment I stop to catch my breath Ramon pops out

[baskila]

Tried this again last night as a mele sneaker. Got pretty far and found some awesome loot. The moment I stopped by family gate I ran into the toilet close by to rest for a second and upon entering I was met by Ramon who one shotted me

Even though dying will be even more frequent as a factionless player I think its a very interesting concept one that keeps me coming back to try new things.

I agree with what you say about viable factionless builds.


A couple of screens, I made it alllll the way across the core without hindrance, but the moment I stop to catch my breath Ramon pops out

"Ramon critically hit you in the head for 422 hit points."
422 hit points
422
and you had metal armor on you.
...okay.

[Stem Sunders]

Tell me about it...Doesnt matter what char I'm playing or what equipment i'm using. If ever I run into him and he manages to catch me its always the same story :p

He took my stash (Everything I found on way from one side of core to the other) but was kind enough to leave the armor

[Deathproof]

Where did you find stealth boy, far as my knowledge go they aren't around core ?

[RazorRamon]

Tried this again last night as a mele sneaker. Got pretty far and found some awesome loot. The moment I stopped by family gate I ran into the toilet close by to rest for a second and upon entering I was met by Ramon who one shotted me

Even though dying will be even more frequent as a factionless player I think its a very interesting concept one that keeps me coming back to try new things.

I agree with what you say about viable factionless builds.


A couple of screens, I made it alllll the way across the core without hindrance, but the moment I stop to catch my breath Ramon pops out

"Ramon critically hit you in the head for 422 hit points."
422 hit points
422
and you had metal armor on you.
...okay.

Silent hill death and finisher stacking together doing a big hit on a target that is already almost dead anyway. (Even though he claims he was one shot)

[paragon]

I see -300 HP at this interface.

[Stem Sunders]

Where did you find stealth boy, far as my knowledge go they aren't around core ?

Oh I never found a stealth boy, that was my next move before Ramon massacred my face.

However, I started in law faction so I had the option to visit my homies at family base if I wanted too.

Last night I logged off inside the family toilets (I don't know if you disappear after 10 mins or not) but it did give me an idea

"Why not just pass myself one with Stem" I wondered. Then I wondered if that would be cheating.
So I took a stealth boy to the gate with Stem, dropped it in a secluded place and picked it up with NEUTRAL.
It not somthing I would normally do but it poses a solution to the problem of not having access to stealth boys.
Having said that, it may sort of defeat the point of not being in a faction and again I'm not sure where the rules stand on the matter. It was just a test, the stealth boy is damn near empty.

What do you think?

Some screens

[Myakot]

Silent hill death and finisher stacking together doing a big hit on a target that is already almost dead anyway. (Even though he claims he was one shot)

People just want to nerf sneak even more, don't mind it.

[Stem Sunders]

@Ramon I'm almost 100% certain it was a one shot. You whispered something like "Toilet tacts" then punched me in the head.
I really don't care it was funny as hell :p Isn't it normal to be doing that amount of damage? I wouldn't know this is the first time I tried mele.

[Myakot]

@Ramon I'm almost 100% certain it was a one shot. You whispered something like "Toilet tacts" the punched me in the head.
I really don't care it was funny as hell :p Isn't it normal to be doing that amount of damage? I wouldn't know this is the first time I tried mele.

Unless you have 122 base hp

[Deathproof]

Yeah it would be a problem to acquire stealhboy. Did you thought of melee with CH10 ?

Bonuses would make you quite strong, and you could go around kicking people until they drop you a gun

[Stem Sunders]

@Ramon I'm almost 100% certain it was a one shot. You whispered something like "Toilet tacts" the punched me in the head.
I really don't care it was funny as hell :p Isn't it normal to be doing that amount of damage? I wouldn't know this is the first time I tried mele.

Unless you have 122 base hp

Neutrals base hp is 239. So by the math I guess it can't have been a one shot?

If thats true then my bad for claiming so :p two shots it is.

[RazorRamon]

@Ramon I'm almost 100% certain it was a one shot. You whispered something like "Toilet tacts" then punched me in the head.
I really don't care it was funny as hell :p Isn't it normal to be doing that amount of damage? I wouldn't know this is the first time I tried mele.

I hit you for 112 first, the log also says so on the second screenshot.

Anyway, 442 is quite a big number but its only because for some funny reason silent hill death and finisher work multiplicatively instead of just adding up.
Practical use of it? None, your target is already knocked out and at grey HP anyway. Still funny as hell pumping out those big numbers.

This is the world record on an npc without armor btw

[Stem Sunders]

@Ramon Thats why I avoid you where I can :p I'm not a coward, Just not dumb

[Myakot]

Ramon has a decent potential of just going hay-wire and quitting his faction . People already fear you, wouldn't it be nice if everyone did?

p.s.
I still can't get over how much your avatar reminds me of Spike Spiegel...

[Simms]

The moment I stopped by family gate

I ran into the toilet close by to rest for a second

You Family guys do really have a special thing about the toilets, ain't you?

BTW you can just levelup your char in a faction up to around lvl 24 and it'll be enough to play factionless

[Stem Sunders]

The moment I stopped by family gate

I ran into the toilet close by to rest for a second

You Family guys do really have a special thing about the toilets, ain't you?

BTW you can just levelup your char in a faction up to around lvl 24 and it'll be enough to play factionless

That particular stall is never occupied, but now I know Ramon hangs there hah.
Also while leveling a character to 24 in a faction is viable, for me it sort of defeats the point of being factionless. I want to see how hard it is to do everything from level 1 without the factions vendors and such.

Also once you spent the time to get to level 24 people will already know who you are and it would affect "muh immersion" Imo