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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2015, 05:08:32 AM »

I'd like to thank Myakot for doing his job and ask other moderators to pay attention to the situation and prevent people from at least insulting others (me and Myakot as well). nailbrain is crossing the line between ignorance and allowable behavior.

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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2015, 05:13:04 AM »

I've moved this to the Lobby because it fits so perfectly. Let the lobbying begin!

PURE HYPOCRISY

next day hammer time
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2015, 06:19:15 AM »

+1 F U
Only you sead speers OP and ofc speer nerf, nobody other cryed about it, like nailbrain sead lobby my ass, your vote is worth like 50 normal people vote, now you will see spear build desapire cuz i dont think anyone will want to use it when you can trow only 1 speer per AP
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2015, 06:27:07 AM »

U could nerf it by decreasing the spawn amount of serrated spears, problem with core pvp with uberdamage will be fixed with rare damage dealing spears, the pa problem will fixed bcs of it too, also it's really hard to control the mass pvp with speaman and hit the target properly when rockets and plasma bolts around, spearmen have(had) their own playstyle, +1.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2015, 07:20:59 AM »

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- Throwing Damage now increased by Melee Damage

Then

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- Spears increased AP ( 15 ), new spear image links

It was to be expected really.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2015, 07:25:15 AM »

and before it was nerfed by decreasing crit damage.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2015, 07:27:58 AM »

only sper used is serated and it is +20

crit rework like many other things foked sper dmg bad adding melee dmg barely returned it to what it was and this is only if u take heavy handed

now adding 50% more ap cost is effectivle cutting spear in half

and u need to actualy hit not just click

and btw during its epic fast flight animation gues what u dont regen until it land even more
funy sometimes if you try to run afterwards even +ap regen blocks so u must stop somewhere and wait
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2015, 07:31:59 AM »

Well, the damage for melee was buffed by venomous hands, which decreasing the critical resistance of target, so it's not SO foked up, if u'r not about the sledges.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2015, 10:05:33 AM »

So spears got nerfed by the crit nerf, and got a bit back with heavy handed. What about the other crit weapons ? So yeah a nerf could have been expected.

You have to hit yes, but you don't have aiming time. See ? Kinda make sense  :)

Anyway, seeing spears builds suddenly appear a lot in core makes me think it's strong enough to make people reroll or at least change their gameplay into that. It should be a strong hint on OPness  ;D
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2015, 10:19:14 AM »

dont have aim time ??? u have fkn travel time
u raise gun wait 1/3 of sec bam HIT

nerf expected cuz of POTENTIAL benefit weapon can have from trait rly
what is next ??? pump up all melee ap cost by 50 percent ? cuz they can benefit from HEAVY HANDED
ooh and (sorry Ramon) u can fkn stab 2x aimed with waki wtf pump up ap cost !!!
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2015, 10:29:24 AM »

Yes that's what I am saying if you were reading.
Aiming time on guns
Travel time on spears
-> so don't complain about travel time

All crit dam nerfed, but spears got heavy handed dam, unlike other weapons that use crit
->so don't complain about spear nerf

What you call nerf seems to actually be balancing.
Last time I try to make it up for you as you started to add insults in your posts above (not directed to me - I hope - but that's not the point)

> funy sometimes if you try to run afterwards even +ap regen blocks so u must stop somewhere and wait
That's actually not intended I think so it should be treated as bug  :)

> ooh and (sorry Ramon) u can fkn stab 2x aimed with waki wtf pump up ap cost !!!
Don't start me on that  ;D
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2015, 10:33:26 AM »

no aim time first spear but until it hits miss lands etc u cant throw second one u must wait
and on over 15 hexes u must wait alot
gun on the other hands resets on shoot not to mention cycling aimed shot
and btw unaimed shots in the time (in secods) i throw 2 spers u can shoot several times
not to mention how many busrts u can do

and no aim time is not quite true btw try throwing before post commnets dats what angers me bout paragon he post (false) dry math
try playing
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2015, 10:40:33 AM »

Yes you can't throw another spear until the other lands...

Guns :
Aiming time
Hit/Miss
Aiming time
Hit/Miss

Spears :
Travel time
Hit/Miss
Travel time
Hit/Miss

So you throw 2 unaimed spears and I can shoot several times but for how many damage ? Anyway I can say I do unaimed shots with my AK and you throw aimed spears, then ask why you do more damage  :)

EDIT : I can watch Count Matthew's spearbot playing and even he can kill people now so it MUST be broken  ;D
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2015, 10:43:42 AM »

yes but total sum u shoot is more i can hope u to fail 1 of 20 shot u on the other hand u need to do simple sidestep
i dont know how to play against sperman is NOT reason for nerfs
it is the general lack of expirince of ppl fighting against speramns dat made me so dangerous
not so long ago i was the only persistent spearman
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2015, 10:48:16 AM »

But you throw your spears when I open a door / enter a room, or you throw your spears when I'm raising my weapon. You're not a random spear player who started coz of the insane damage so don't pretend you fail so many spears attacks  ;)

I can say "I threw 2 spears on someone but he was side stepping, then while I was out of AP he shot me to death, please nerf guns" but what would reply despite Get good or You obviously suck  :P You're using potential situations yourself as arguments
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« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2015, 11:01:57 AM »

im dont fail many atacks i rarely fail them anymore BUT i do dat for months
so i invseted time and love to became good at spearing and for dat here comes the nerf

"Just imagine, even the ZC legend suff is going to run as Forrest Gump, as soon as he see your spear." so one guy cant handle spearman battles and nerf comes ???
HE CAN'T handle it so entire unique to fonline build gets scraped
goddamnit learn to counter spearman
i know perfectly how to counter sperbuild if i can learn so the "zc legend" can but he prefferd the easy way whine for nerf
What Cirn0 did is to castrate his own creation am just a fkn player
btw he did it also to most popular melee build the "hammer dude"
melee snekers are history too as much as i don't like Ramon it was his spot and he seems to enjoyed it , REDRUM , ANZA how you felt dudes ???? same way as i do proly

now only thing left is burster


 
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2015, 11:25:09 AM »

I think you mistake nerfing and balancing. You char is still very viable so keep on playing him and you'll see it's still good  ;) I had 2 200 leadership chars AND I was asking for nerf on leadership. When the nerf happened I was like WTH this is hard nerf, and some people were starting to say You killed leadership. But weeks after guess what ? People still use leadership as it is still very powerful and necessary, but more balanced now.

I don't think nerf came from Paragon's post, it must have been thought through since some time so trust a bit the AoP team they don't want to kill a build that's for sure. Again keep playing your build you love it.  ;)
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2015, 11:32:16 AM »

As much i agree that nerfing something OP can still allow that thing to be strong, and leadership is included, i can't also help but notice that when some specific persons from a specific faction are complaining about something or want something added, it will appear much much quicker on the next changelog. It might just be pure coïncidence, (no matter what we can think, it can actually be that) so i don't want to jump on it, but i understand those who are skeptical.
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« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2015, 11:32:19 AM »

your optimism is quite refreshing but no it is the end of the this type of char 60 base unaimed is over the top 40 was well balanced
for such ap cost u can shoot BG sniper for the same dmg from mile away and it is "unmissable"
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« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2015, 11:35:56 AM »

im dont fail many atacks i rarely fail them anymore BUT i do dat for months
so i invseted time and love to became good at spearing and for dat here comes the nerf

"Just imagine, even the ZC legend suff is going to run as Forrest Gump, as soon as he see your spear." so one guy cant handle spearman battles and nerf comes ???
HE CAN'T handle it so entire unique to fonline build gets scraped
goddamnit learn to counter spearman
i know perfectly how to counter sperbuild if i can learn so the "zc legend" can but he prefferd the easy way whine for nerf
What Cirn0 did is to castrate his own creation am just a fkn player
btw he did it also to most popular melee build the "hammer dude"
melee snekers are history too as much as i don't like Ramon it was his spot and he seems to enjoyed it , REDRUM , ANZA how you felt dudes ???? same way as i do proly

now only thing left is burster

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