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Developer Corner / Re: Would you want damage screen effect?
« on: September 21, 2014, 06:00:27 PM »
Haha that's just make me laugh so much ! Thanks !
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General Discussions / Re: PK - What to do ?
« on: September 20, 2014, 01:15:00 PM »Quote
I can understand that you're salty after becoming a victim of what you believe to be an unjust killing, but you just spent the entire salt shaker right there. I mean why stop with the platoon or the squad - punish the entire faction! Ender gets killed? Put all the Lawyers on negative rep, that will surely teach those pesky PKs!
This is not what I meaned.
First of all I try not to do this a personal case ( for example I did not mention any name / log / screenshots ) and try to have a larger thinking about this issue in the current game mechanics as other players suffers from this. If you do not think that when reading my previous post it's due to my lack of english knowledge and really not intentional.
In my opinion this game is not a free for all. I think there is other fonline server for this. The funniest part of the game come from it's background : One city - Four factions. The Objective is to make our faction win not our private team / person.
PK will kill this game as it will not allows player of same faction to trust each others enough to engage common actions.
For example when someone has been PK trying to help for ZC he will not came back to help when it's really needed.. He will go for assignement or scavenging and may took others players with him... We will not be able to regroup enough forces against other factions and the game will become boring. When a new player come in the game and is killed by it's faction he leave and never came back. That's what I'm worried about.
The current situation is not ideal (for both opinion) and some improvement can be done and are already done ; bluesuit can no longer enter zc for looting, ... So there is less ( and soon no more ) reason to kill someone from your faction without facing the consequences ( I mean the faction give you services to take control of the city not to kill other faction's member ). It's not because you do not like someone, or you do not want anyone to be there at that time that you have the right to kill them.
About the squad, that was just an idea to discourage people playing with PK. Do not forget that squad member plays together, share gears if not base so they take advantage of this situation as well. And I think if you shoot back to defend you again the PK all his squad will shoot you to defend him ( this is just a supposition ).
I really think this kind of issue can ruin the game on a long-run. As I do not want this to happen - I want more and more people playing this game with all of us - I create this topic to find a solution in gameplay mechanics. Do not see here a personal revenge please.
Some precision :
- This is just my personal opinion
- When I say "you" it's everyone reading this not specifically Saeko ( don't know how to write "general" things in english )
What do you think of Myakot proposal for example ? What are failure ? How can we improve to remove them ?
If you feel someone has to be killed in some situation what are these ?
You know the solution is to avoid any situation where "there is a reasonable reason to kill it" like that we can put game mechanics to avoid them ( as the no more bluesuit in zc ). If we remove these situation it's possible to have system where PK have consequences.
I know it's about to find the right balances but I feel currently PK is totally free and has no consequences.
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General Discussions / Re: PK - What to do ?
« on: September 20, 2014, 08:44:33 AM »
Hello.
We speak with some other players about this issue and we think about a similar mechanism :
When a member of your faction kill you, you have to report it as an accident or an crime in a very simple way : dialog box on respawn that let you choose. ( In a background point of view this is good because you certainly use some kind of cloning bay to get life back so people have a valid reason to ask you what happens ).
As there is no valid reason to kill someone ( bluesuit can no longuer come in zc ) the punition should be heavy and harsh. If I have a lot of reputation in the faction my betrayal will be fare more important for the faction so I should have a bigger punition. A criminal should not have any access to the HQ and have a reputation malus ( I had 50K rep ? I have -25K now ).
I also think that the squad member / platoon member of the criminal should be punished too (not in the same way) as they clearly play with this player and so encourage him this way ( We are fucking lawyer here ! ).
I like your idea ; these criminal without faction are not white but other color and faction's judge give reward when killing them. And it's a good way to bring fun from this issue.
We speak with some other players about this issue and we think about a similar mechanism :
When a member of your faction kill you, you have to report it as an accident or an crime in a very simple way : dialog box on respawn that let you choose. ( In a background point of view this is good because you certainly use some kind of cloning bay to get life back so people have a valid reason to ask you what happens ).
As there is no valid reason to kill someone ( bluesuit can no longuer come in zc ) the punition should be heavy and harsh. If I have a lot of reputation in the faction my betrayal will be fare more important for the faction so I should have a bigger punition. A criminal should not have any access to the HQ and have a reputation malus ( I had 50K rep ? I have -25K now ).
I also think that the squad member / platoon member of the criminal should be punished too (not in the same way) as they clearly play with this player and so encourage him this way ( We are fucking lawyer here ! ).
I like your idea ; these criminal without faction are not white but other color and faction's judge give reward when killing them. And it's a good way to bring fun from this issue.
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General Discussions / PK - What to do ?
« on: September 20, 2014, 06:49:09 AM »
Hello all,
Some player like to play as PK ( I mean killing other player of the same faction ). What can we do ?
Right now Lawyer take the Police Departement. I go there with my gear ( armor tier 2 - DSK sniper and shotgun ). I enter Police and go to the building with the military boxes. I check if their are empty ( their were no ennemy in the zc ). Some lawyer enter the place and kill me - took all my loot - to revive me again after. He give excuses : "Russian loot me all loot everyone". I know this is always the same lawyer and he already kill other lawyer (and already try to attack me when I was scavenging outside any zc ) and I heard complaining about him.
What can we do ? Will we let a shity player destroy the game experience of numberous players ?
I do not want to start shooting others Lawyers ; this will totally break the game. We are supposed to team up against other faction not to kill ourself !
So I ask. Is the game simply broken or is there anything to do ? Anyone ? Any idea ?
Edit :
Reputation system does not work on this : We all have so much reputation that it is not a big deal to loose 10K rep.
With the new system that block bluesuit on ZC I do not see any good reason to continue killing other faction's member so why is the punition not a lot more stronger ? I does not seems logical that someone killing a lawyer can go back to the hq, enter the hearth & base (where only trusted member can go ) and nobody in the base react. Killing faction member should be equals to : no more access to hearth & base and jail time.
Edit2:
Quote from game'rules : 7. Sanctions
Usually, people caught misbehaving in-game will be sent to Sugarman's prison. There is no way out of there, Sugarman never releases prisoners and we do not do it often either. If we catch a platoon obviously cheating, we'll send all its members to jail too. To summarize: please, behave. I think killing member of own faction is "misbehaving in-game" and then player should go to jail and lost all possessions ( you know.. Faction will not keep a room for a prisonner )
Some player like to play as PK ( I mean killing other player of the same faction ). What can we do ?
Right now Lawyer take the Police Departement. I go there with my gear ( armor tier 2 - DSK sniper and shotgun ). I enter Police and go to the building with the military boxes. I check if their are empty ( their were no ennemy in the zc ). Some lawyer enter the place and kill me - took all my loot - to revive me again after. He give excuses : "Russian loot me all loot everyone". I know this is always the same lawyer and he already kill other lawyer (and already try to attack me when I was scavenging outside any zc ) and I heard complaining about him.
What can we do ? Will we let a shity player destroy the game experience of numberous players ?
I do not want to start shooting others Lawyers ; this will totally break the game. We are supposed to team up against other faction not to kill ourself !
So I ask. Is the game simply broken or is there anything to do ? Anyone ? Any idea ?
Edit :
Reputation system does not work on this : We all have so much reputation that it is not a big deal to loose 10K rep.
With the new system that block bluesuit on ZC I do not see any good reason to continue killing other faction's member so why is the punition not a lot more stronger ? I does not seems logical that someone killing a lawyer can go back to the hq, enter the hearth & base (where only trusted member can go ) and nobody in the base react. Killing faction member should be equals to : no more access to hearth & base and jail time.
Edit2:
Quote from game'rules : 7. Sanctions
Usually, people caught misbehaving in-game will be sent to Sugarman's prison. There is no way out of there, Sugarman never releases prisoners and we do not do it often either. If we catch a platoon obviously cheating, we'll send all its members to jail too. To summarize: please, behave. I think killing member of own faction is "misbehaving in-game" and then player should go to jail and lost all possessions ( you know.. Faction will not keep a room for a prisonner )
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Developer Corner / Re: Would you want damage screen effect?
« on: September 20, 2014, 06:30:17 AM »
This is a fucking good idea you have to do.
Currently I can be shoot and not know it ( cause I'm looking at other stuff ) and that sucks.
So I hope you will add these blood sample on hit.. I would agree for more : some sound on hit ?
Currently I can be shoot and not know it ( cause I'm looking at other stuff ) and that sucks.
So I hope you will add these blood sample on hit.. I would agree for more : some sound on hit ?
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Wiki creation / Re: Beginner Guide
« on: September 19, 2014, 07:48:41 PM »
Thanks. I should review more myself before submitting this to other eyes. Will try to re-read me more for next pages ;o
I will continue tomorrow.
I would like to do :
- Discover interface
- First step ( first map description to faction's choice )
- What can I do ( General description of available activities )
- I'm a Lawyer ( Description of the lawyer hq )
- I'm a V-tech
- ....
- Tips : Scanvenging ( what can I find , where and how to sell )
- Tips : Zone control ( teamplay description )
Or something like that but I do not know if I will have the time for all of this ( Will certainly do the Lawyer faction but I do not know the other ones ). I will try to link to existing ressources on the wiki.
I will continue tomorrow.
I would like to do :
- Discover interface
- First step ( first map description to faction's choice )
- What can I do ( General description of available activities )
- I'm a Lawyer ( Description of the lawyer hq )
- I'm a V-tech
- ....
- Tips : Scanvenging ( what can I find , where and how to sell )
- Tips : Zone control ( teamplay description )
Or something like that but I do not know if I will have the time for all of this ( Will certainly do the Lawyer faction but I do not know the other ones ). I will try to link to existing ressources on the wiki.
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Wiki creation / Re: Beginner Guide
« on: September 19, 2014, 07:27:52 AM »
Thank you.
I created a category to group all the page of the Beginner Guide ( Go here to access the category : http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:BeginnerGuide ).
This need to be read again but I'think the "installation" & "character creation" pages are finished.
Could be great if you take the time to read them and improve them ( you know better sentences, less english errors, ... ).
If you think there is something big missing ( or you think some information are not adequate for noob ) please tell me ; In that case I will rework the pages.
I'm currently on the "Discover interface" so do not loose time on it ( seems it will be change a lot in the next hours / days )
Thank you very much for you help.
I created a category to group all the page of the Beginner Guide ( Go here to access the category : http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:BeginnerGuide ).
This need to be read again but I'think the "installation" & "character creation" pages are finished.
Could be great if you take the time to read them and improve them ( you know better sentences, less english errors, ... ).
If you think there is something big missing ( or you think some information are not adequate for noob ) please tell me ; In that case I will rework the pages.
I'm currently on the "Discover interface" so do not loose time on it ( seems it will be change a lot in the next hours / days )
Thank you very much for you help.
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Wiki creation / Beginner Guide
« on: September 18, 2014, 01:35:41 PM »
Hello contributors !
I'm currently creating a beginner guide. This guide target the player that never play other Fonline game ( or neither Fallout 1 & 2 ) and is a step by step. I already did the first pages ( installation, character creation, interface is in wip ) and I will continue soon.
I'm looking for someone able to correct / improve my writing as english is not first language. It will maybe be one of the first document new player will read (let's hope ;o) so I do not want it to be in shity english.
So please response to this post and I will link you first pages. Once it will be done I will add a Beginner guide link on the wiki home page.
I'm currently creating a beginner guide. This guide target the player that never play other Fonline game ( or neither Fallout 1 & 2 ) and is a step by step. I already did the first pages ( installation, character creation, interface is in wip ) and I will continue soon.
I'm looking for someone able to correct / improve my writing as english is not first language. It will maybe be one of the first document new player will read (let's hope ;o) so I do not want it to be in shity english.
So please response to this post and I will link you first pages. Once it will be done I will add a Beginner guide link on the wiki home page.
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General Discussions / Re: Problems... problems everywhere.
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:40:03 AM »
Have you try to configure your game using FOConfig.exe ?
In "video" tab you will be able to set your resolution ( you can put your own resolution and are not limited to the choice of the dropdown list. Your resolution should greater or equals to 1024*768 and smaller or equals to 1920*1080 ) and configure the fullscreen option.
In "video" tab you will be able to set your resolution ( you can put your own resolution and are not limited to the choice of the dropdown list. Your resolution should greater or equals to 1024*768 and smaller or equals to 1920*1080 ) and configure the fullscreen option.
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Suggestions / Re: This Is Becoming a BIG Issue.
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:38:58 AM »
I do not think it is a good solution. Experencied players are not more important than new one. Action of some player should not broke the game for others.
Can we try to forget about this specific incident and try to think at larger scale ? What can we do to avoid this shity situation in the future ?
Maybe take more time to explain the specific gameplay of zone control to bluesuit ? ( You know it's not obvious for new player that we do not open door in zone control, that we stay hidden , that we don't run & loot, ... ). I think a player that is well integrated (fit ?) in the faction will not act like a asshole. It is very very hard for new player to take active participation in this game as there is a lot of old players and old team coming with their own history and not very patient with newbies. Don't forget you all start this game once... Even if it was 6 years ago.
I still see some paradox when we tell a new player that loose gear that "Wasteland is harsh" ( Yeah, I heard that so many times ) but If a experienced player loose it's gear it's not normal anymore ?!? I do not think experienced player will take more time to get new equipment ( good gear and tier 2 weapons ) than new player ( shity gear & tier 1 weapons ) so for me the death penality is the same for all at the end. Being able to get it's loot back should be lucky thing not the default one. You should be happy when you succeed it instead of being hangry if failed.
In all case killing is not the solution and should always be hardly punished. Maybe a vote on the faction to indicate bad players could help ( they will go to jail if their enter faction's again or something like that ) and could solve this kind of situation.
Again, just my personal opinion.
@Maykot : We post on the same time so to answer you I quote my post : "Being able to get it's loot back should be lucky thing not the default one. You should be happy when you succeed it instead of being hangry if failed." I always go to zone control if I'm available and try to organize some if needed ; I never get my loot back once I'm dead during zone control ( Loosing both good armor and tier 2 weapons ) and that's simply the game ! Wasteland is Harsh ;-)
Can we try to forget about this specific incident and try to think at larger scale ? What can we do to avoid this shity situation in the future ?
Maybe take more time to explain the specific gameplay of zone control to bluesuit ? ( You know it's not obvious for new player that we do not open door in zone control, that we stay hidden , that we don't run & loot, ... ). I think a player that is well integrated (fit ?) in the faction will not act like a asshole. It is very very hard for new player to take active participation in this game as there is a lot of old players and old team coming with their own history and not very patient with newbies. Don't forget you all start this game once... Even if it was 6 years ago.
I still see some paradox when we tell a new player that loose gear that "Wasteland is harsh" ( Yeah, I heard that so many times ) but If a experienced player loose it's gear it's not normal anymore ?!? I do not think experienced player will take more time to get new equipment ( good gear and tier 2 weapons ) than new player ( shity gear & tier 1 weapons ) so for me the death penality is the same for all at the end. Being able to get it's loot back should be lucky thing not the default one. You should be happy when you succeed it instead of being hangry if failed.
In all case killing is not the solution and should always be hardly punished. Maybe a vote on the faction to indicate bad players could help ( they will go to jail if their enter faction's again or something like that ) and could solve this kind of situation.
Again, just my personal opinion.
@Maykot : We post on the same time so to answer you I quote my post : "Being able to get it's loot back should be lucky thing not the default one. You should be happy when you succeed it instead of being hangry if failed." I always go to zone control if I'm available and try to organize some if needed ; I never get my loot back once I'm dead during zone control ( Loosing both good armor and tier 2 weapons ) and that's simply the game ! Wasteland is Harsh ;-)
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Suggestions / Re: This Is Becoming a BIG Issue.
« on: September 13, 2014, 01:31:10 AM »
I think killing member of our faction really sucks and break some very cool aspect of the aop gameplay.
We are not stranger ; we are all Lawyers ! ( or bb , v-tech, ... )
This should be heavily punished by loosing reputation ( I can't understand that someone killing faction member can still stay a trusted member of the faction that have access to the hearth for example - it does not fit with the background ), by jail time, and by not winning any award for the current zc if any ( Don't feel right to be rewarded by the faction if you kill your mates )
What if someone take your loot ?
Yes it's not very cool but... you are dead in the middle of a city ! Isn't it better that a member of our faction take the loot and not member from the opposite faction ? I would like to say what old player told me when I started to play fonline ; wasteland is harsh ; it's true for everyone. ( I like very much the idea of an other topic that is : when you are dead only member of your squad can loot you until you respawn timer is over and after everyone can loot you )
What if it is an ennemy cheating / spying ?
Well it can always happen.. But it's not a valid excuse to kill all bluesuit. It's more something that a gm will handle I think ( like alt , etc.. as it is game abuse and not gameplay )
Btw, just my personal opinion so stay cool ok ;-)
We are not stranger ; we are all Lawyers ! ( or bb , v-tech, ... )
This should be heavily punished by loosing reputation ( I can't understand that someone killing faction member can still stay a trusted member of the faction that have access to the hearth for example - it does not fit with the background ), by jail time, and by not winning any award for the current zc if any ( Don't feel right to be rewarded by the faction if you kill your mates )
What if someone take your loot ?
Yes it's not very cool but... you are dead in the middle of a city ! Isn't it better that a member of our faction take the loot and not member from the opposite faction ? I would like to say what old player told me when I started to play fonline ; wasteland is harsh ; it's true for everyone. ( I like very much the idea of an other topic that is : when you are dead only member of your squad can loot you until you respawn timer is over and after everyone can loot you )
What if it is an ennemy cheating / spying ?
Well it can always happen.. But it's not a valid excuse to kill all bluesuit. It's more something that a gm will handle I think ( like alt , etc.. as it is game abuse and not gameplay )
Btw, just my personal opinion so stay cool ok ;-)
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Game Tips & Guides / Re: [Guide] Lawyers HQ Overview for Beginners
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:21:36 AM »
Holy shit !
I did not know about npc 11. I neved entered this building !
I have so many books to sell ;-) Thanks !
I did not know about npc 11. I neved entered this building !
I have so many books to sell ;-) Thanks !
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Game Tips & Guides / Re: [Guide] Lawyers HQ Overview for Beginners
« on: September 11, 2014, 11:01:17 AM »
Nice job here.
For my personnal opinion I will not put any screenshot of the hearth. I think it's cool to discover it once you finally have reputation. And I think that when you have 30k rep you are not a noob anymore and can understand how it is working ;-)
For my personnal opinion I will not put any screenshot of the hearth. I think it's cool to discover it once you finally have reputation. And I think that when you have 30k rep you are not a noob anymore and can understand how it is working ;-)
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Wiki creation / Where to start ?
« on: September 10, 2014, 10:11:57 AM »
Hello all,
I think the wiki are use by two kind of people : The people knowing already a bit of the game and coming for more information on a specific topic ( like what is the best weapons, effect of drugs, etc... )and the new players asking "What should I do first when I start the game ?"
There is no "beginner guide" tutorial explaining the basics of fonline-aop. What you can do - How you can do it.
Maybe it will be great to think of it. I will create some pages to speak about the Lawyer HQ ( where are people, quests, merchand, etc.. ).
Could be great if people from other faction could do some "beginner guide" for their faction. When we will have the 4 guide we will create one for tutorial / faction's selection and we will have something good to start I think.
I think the wiki are use by two kind of people : The people knowing already a bit of the game and coming for more information on a specific topic ( like what is the best weapons, effect of drugs, etc... )and the new players asking "What should I do first when I start the game ?"
There is no "beginner guide" tutorial explaining the basics of fonline-aop. What you can do - How you can do it.
Maybe it will be great to think of it. I will create some pages to speak about the Lawyer HQ ( where are people, quests, merchand, etc.. ).
Could be great if people from other faction could do some "beginner guide" for their faction. When we will have the 4 guide we will create one for tutorial / faction's selection and we will have something good to start I think.
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Technical Center / Re: [Requiest] Add FonlineD3D.exe to client folder [SOLVED]
« on: September 06, 2014, 09:36:19 AM »- FonlineD3D is for Fonline Direct 3D ; It use the directx api from Microsoft to manage the display ( and other stuff ).
- FonlineGL stand for Fonline Open Graphic Library (OpenGL) ; It use openGl to manae the display (and other stuff)
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Bar des Terres Désolées / Re: Présentations
« on: September 06, 2014, 09:27:32 AM »
Hey ! Salut Krok ! Ca fait looooooooooongtemps !
Sinon quelles factions avez vous choisie ? Pour ma part je suis désormais un Lawyer. J'ai pu passer la soirée / nuit avec des joueurs FR et c'était bien fun !
Sinon quelles factions avez vous choisie ? Pour ma part je suis désormais un Lawyer. J'ai pu passer la soirée / nuit avec des joueurs FR et c'était bien fun !
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News & Announcements / Re: AoP Client v1.0 & server launch info
« on: September 05, 2014, 02:38:45 PM »
Yeah ! We all wait the server opening now ! So much people on irc ;o
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News & Announcements / Re: Ashes of Phoenix Release date
« on: September 05, 2014, 02:15:22 PM »
Hello all !
It seems there is a little delay.. Let give some more time to the dev team ! Come on join us on the irc channel to wait all together the release ! ( for irc info : http://fonline-aop.net/site/index.php?p=talk )
It seems there is a little delay.. Let give some more time to the dev team ! Come on join us on the irc channel to wait all together the release ! ( for irc info : http://fonline-aop.net/site/index.php?p=talk )
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Bar des Terres Désolées / Les Francophone dans les factions
« on: September 05, 2014, 10:30:31 AM »
Bonjour à tous,
Cela pourrait être sympa de savoir dans quelles factions jouent les joueurs francophones. Cela permettrait a des nouveaux joueurs de nous trouver plus facilement et donc d'aider à faire grandir la communauté autour du jeu ce qui nous garantit des heures de plaisir dans le jeu ;o
Donc, je propose que chacun donne sa faction. J'éditerai ce post plus tard pour grouper les gens par faction.
Essayez d'indiquer le pseudo de votre perso histoire de pouvoir le retrouver facilement.
Pour ma part :
Nom : Ender - Faction : Lawyers
Cela pourrait être sympa de savoir dans quelles factions jouent les joueurs francophones. Cela permettrait a des nouveaux joueurs de nous trouver plus facilement et donc d'aider à faire grandir la communauté autour du jeu ce qui nous garantit des heures de plaisir dans le jeu ;o
Donc, je propose que chacun donne sa faction. J'éditerai ce post plus tard pour grouper les gens par faction.
Essayez d'indiquer le pseudo de votre perso histoire de pouvoir le retrouver facilement.
Pour ma part :
Nom : Ender - Faction : Lawyers
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Bar des Terres Désolées / Re: Présentations
« on: September 05, 2014, 10:27:56 AM »
Salut à tous les francophones !
Est-ce qu'il y a des Belges dans les environs ? Juste histoire d'avoir un peu d'ambiance ;-)
Plus serieusement ;
Je n'ai jamais vraiment joué aux Fonlines précédents ( à peine quelques heures sur 2238 ).
Je connais FOnline & plus particulièrement Fonline-aop via des amis irl qui m'en parle très (trop ? Haha ;o ) régulièrement.
Ce sera donc une double découverte pour moi dans quelques heures...
Est-ce qu'il y a des Belges dans les environs ? Juste histoire d'avoir un peu d'ambiance ;-)
Plus serieusement ;
Je n'ai jamais vraiment joué aux Fonlines précédents ( à peine quelques heures sur 2238 ).
Je connais FOnline & plus particulièrement Fonline-aop via des amis irl qui m'en parle très (trop ? Haha ;o ) régulièrement.
Ce sera donc une double découverte pour moi dans quelques heures...
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