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Title: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Count Matthew on January 29, 2015, 01:38:26 PM
Please look at screenshot!!

http://imgur.com/Re5ZONG

Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: nailbrain on January 29, 2015, 01:46:33 PM
cirn0 is messing around
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on January 29, 2015, 01:51:27 PM
ye i got same 2-3 tims just it was 1000 and when i logied in it sead you lost rep while you were ofline
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: cirn0 on January 29, 2015, 02:37:59 PM
Everyone will be losing rep and getting pay-checks from your faction. Your rep will be slowly drained until it is at 10k at which you will no longer be given payment.

When you are at 10k, system considers you a NON-active player. Things are coming.

Worry not.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on January 29, 2015, 02:49:27 PM
i dident recive any paycheck do i need to talk to my boss in bad maner?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: faopcurious on January 29, 2015, 02:53:30 PM
This happened to me too, I thought it was a strange glitch :P
So please explain cirn, what and how much is this paycheck?   will 10k be the most someone can have, what exactly is the plan here?   I have 68k rep so this is going to take a while if all that is drained is 1k :P
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Ananas rape on January 29, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
Everyone will be losing rep and getting pay-checks from your faction. Your rep will be slowly drained until it is at 10k at which you will no longer be given payment.

When you are at 10k, system considers you a NON-active player. Things are coming.

Worry not.

waht abt nan faqtion playr? feel so lonaly wiht these updats
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on January 29, 2015, 03:02:55 PM
waht if i earn rep faster then i lose it?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: cirn0 on January 29, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
Then you continue to get paid.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on January 30, 2015, 03:14:02 AM
Where are the pay-check ?
How much caps to i get each time ?
Do i still lose rep if offline ?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Count Matthew on January 30, 2015, 06:14:18 AM
Everyone will be losing rep and getting pay-checks from your faction. Your rep will be slowly drained until it is at 10k at which you will no longer be given payment.

When you are at 10k, system considers you a NON-active player. Things are coming.

Worry not.

I am very glad to see this feature come in.

I think losing almost 5k is a little sudden and worrying.

Have you thought about incorporating how many zones are controlled as a bonus mulitplyer??

2 zones controlled = 1.2 x pay packet
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: cirn0 on January 30, 2015, 12:19:22 PM
CURRENTLY :
Activity in the core will generate CORE money. ( Active hours, zones can be worth perhaps 16x more than off hours )
Owning ZONES will give FACTION money from the CORE.
FACTION gives YOU money.
Your payment is split between all your ACTIVE faction mates, swarms "technically" get less per person.
Your salary is effected by your reputation vs the average reputation of your faction.

ACTIVE PLAYERS = More than 10k rep.

These payment ticks occur around ever hours.

You will be paid and rep will decay even if offline so you can do a hard day of ZC go to sleep, wake up, get your paycheck, buy more equipment to hordePvP.

The offline rep decay is currently logged but not put into effect, when it is enabled you will get a huge drop in reputation.
This decay should not bring you below 10k rep.

Reputation system will be changed a bit more to accommodate the 10k baseline. Friendly fire penalties will be changed from automatic punishment to manual punishment controlled by the victims.

In the immediate next few patches:

When I finish the core caravans, factions will only earn money when their caravans, which spawn in the zone travel across the core, reach the gates safely.

CTF will probably become a multiplier to the faction income.

This payment will be the primary source of caps in the future.
Heavy tuning will be done, currently the system is in testing on the live server, please provide bug reports and feedback.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Myakot on January 30, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
"from automatic punishment to manual punishment control by the victims."

*Magician praising intensifies*
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Anza on January 30, 2015, 12:28:07 PM
That smells good hehehe
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on January 30, 2015, 12:36:48 PM
Will the decrease of reputation for each hour be reduced ?

Currently, without the offline decrease, you can lose 5K reputation at once.
If you keep losing reputation when offline, you could lose all your reputation in a day.

Might be better if you lose only 500/1K reputation for each hours (counting off-line hours)
So if you miss a day, you would lose 12K/24K reputation, not 120K reputation.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: cirn0 on January 30, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
From what I understand:

Rapid decay would infer:
-Paid by the hour

Slow decay:
-Paid like salary

I guess the salary concept is more correct as the immediate payment from ZC performances are there.

I will make full decay occur within a week of inactivity. Over 24 * 7 periods of decay a person with maximum reputation of (100k) will decay to 10k: 90000 / 168  = 535.

I'll change it to that next update and see how it goes. For now I just wanted immediate results so the decay is 10x that.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: RazorRamon on January 30, 2015, 01:18:08 PM
Every hour is too frequent, i dont wanna be spammed with "Vtards sent you $measly amount"

Tune decay and payouts so that you receive one paycheck per day at a fixed time for everyone

Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Count Matthew on January 30, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
Every hour is too frequent, i dont wanna be spammed with "Vtards sent you $measly amount"

Tune decay and payouts so that you receive one paycheck per day at a fixed time for everyone

I'd rather see that than your foul language all the time.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: RazorRamon on January 30, 2015, 01:31:27 PM
Im sorry, this is a christian game community, i really shouldnt swear
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: cirn0 on January 30, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
thank you brother ramen
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Myakot on January 30, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Im sorry, this is a christian game community, i really shouldnt swear
I'm really sorry if that was a simple joke, but I don't get what has religion to do with mature slang? o_0
I hate both religion and swearing, does this make me a... an alien?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Caboose on January 30, 2015, 03:01:46 PM
Im sorry, this is a christian game community, i really shouldnt swear
I'm really sorry if that was a simple joke, but I don't get what has religion to do with mature slang? o_0
I hate both religion and swearing, does this make me a... an alien?

sigh -1
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Count Matthew on January 30, 2015, 03:22:15 PM
Im sorry, this is a christian game community, i really shouldnt swear
I'm really sorry if that was a simple joke, but I don't get what has religion to do with mature slang? o_0
I hate both religion and swearing, does this make me a... an alien?

+1 for the superb trolling.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Captain Chilly on January 31, 2015, 02:31:48 AM
btw, the NPC that gives you money for murdering people and losing rep is now in every faction's structure, ust go talk to them and tell them:" OI VEY, GIB DE SHEKELS"
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on January 31, 2015, 05:05:03 AM
If that system is implemented, it would be better to :

- Remove the requirement of 30K to create/be leader of a platoon.
Our newcomers would need a huge amount of activity if they lose their low amount of reputation all the time. (they rarelly manage to win tough assignements or damage enemies in ZC, but those guys are playing. Just that their success are not enough to counter rep loss)

- Lower the requirement for taking heart elevator, under 10K.
Same as above, our newcomers struggles to maintain a reputation above 10K.
Yesterday, we done an heart assignement with a 10K guy. He lost a tiny amount of reputation during the assignement, by hurting a team mate while bursting the enemy. He didn't TK anyone. He just made a tiny mistake. Now, he can't get the reward, can't even be blamed by the NPC. And i doubt he will be able to take an easy assignement, as long as he didn't report to the heart assignement NPC.

- Minor thing, but still noticable. People under 30K can't use the heart servant to teleport within the heart floor. It can be troublesome when you are on a tight schedule to report a tough assignement. I did an SS assignement with a few newcomers. I was the only one who reported in time, because i used the servant to teleport and they had to run the whole floor. The whole point of bringing them in a tough assignement was to help them speed up their leveling/outcomes. It is useless if i am the only one rewarded.

I am in lawyer HQ.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Myakot on January 31, 2015, 05:15:57 AM
@nao
Assignments are a thing of the past, soon they'll cease to exist.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on January 31, 2015, 05:28:20 AM
Are you guessing here ?
Anyway, for the time being, those guy should level up and get money for their platoon.
And afterward, other newcomers would have to catch up.

Assignements are mostly for newcomers and poor men. They shouldn't be more screwed doing it than vet that don't no longer need those.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Myakot on January 31, 2015, 05:29:08 AM
Are you guessing here ?
Anyway, for the time being, those guy should level up and get money for their platoon.
And afterward, other newcomers would have to catch up.
Nope, cirn0 told it some time ago.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Komrade on January 31, 2015, 05:35:37 AM
@nao
Assignments are a thing of the past, soon they'll cease to exist.

Best news ever.
Gayassignments should be deleted/erased/wiped out of the game.   
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Captain Chilly on January 31, 2015, 06:13:14 AM
@nao
Assignments are a thing of the past, soon they'll cease to exist.

Best news ever.
Gayassignments should be deleted/erased/wiped out of the game.
idk, getting 300 caps for killing a few tribals with spears sounds like easy money to me
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Takahashi on February 20, 2015, 11:07:09 PM
getting rid of assignments is a bad idea in my opinion.

9/10 times when I login there is no pvp going online, this is partly because i'm gmt+13 which seems to have few players. If I can do assignments then i'll hang around for a bit, and sometime that means I am online when some pvp takes place.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: FrankenStone on February 21, 2015, 05:26:31 AM
getting rid of assignments is a bad idea in my opinion.

9/10 times when I login there is no pvp going online, this is partly because i'm gmt+13 which seems to have few players. If I can do assignments then i'll hang around for a bit, and sometime that means I am online when some pvp takes place.

thats some good point , i also think that low server population is connected to non existent content beside pvp and u can say what u want , when u average more players online i think more will go to pvp ...
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Caboose on February 21, 2015, 05:29:02 AM
getting rid of assignments is a bad idea in my opinion.

9/10 times when I login there is no pvp going online, this is partly because i'm gmt+13 which seems to have few players. If I can do assignments then i'll hang around for a bit, and sometime that means I am online when some pvp takes place.

thats some good point , i also think that low server population is connected to non existent content beside pvp and u can say what u want , when u average more players online i think more will go to pvp ...

I agree, we need something to do when there is no pvp or when there is a vtec swarm. I'll play farmville while TWAT and his friends die.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Shangalar on February 22, 2015, 09:40:44 AM
Definitely we'll try to focus on new content, since that's what the game desperately needs. It just seems assignments might not be the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Professor Lemur on February 22, 2015, 02:10:52 PM
Any ideas on what content so far? Or is it a mystery....
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: RazorRamon on February 22, 2015, 03:06:42 PM
raidbosses and tank/heal/dps builds
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Professor Lemur on February 22, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
raidbosses and tank/heal/dps builds
needs moar jungling builds
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: RazorRamon on February 22, 2015, 03:17:25 PM
needs moar jungling builds

sorry no ASSFAGGOTS allowed here
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Shangalar on February 23, 2015, 01:46:07 AM
It's yet too early to discuss new features concretely at this point. Active devs have worked hard this winter, but we'll need a couple of weeks to organize and finalize the new concepts. When we got a clear picture in mind, both design wise and technical side, we'll post announcements.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: Count Matthew on February 24, 2015, 11:19:13 AM
It's yet too early to discuss new features concretely at this point. Active devs have worked hard this winter, but we'll need a couple of weeks to organize and finalize the new concepts. When we got a clear picture in mind, both design wise and technical side, we'll post announcements.

Thanks for your hard work.

Is there a way to donate at the moment??
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on February 24, 2015, 01:13:32 PM
if you want to donate money i love money too hahah ask cirno or john dont ask paragon he will use all money to nerf spears
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on February 24, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
How much for nerfing swarm ?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on February 24, 2015, 06:17:19 PM
How much for nerfing swarm ?
depends how you want it handle if you pay me enougth i go suff house brake his PC
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on February 24, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
How many character would that turn off ?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: nailbrain on February 25, 2015, 03:34:44 AM
raidbosses and tank/heal/dps builds

yeah the holy trinity of MMORPG
no thanks
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on February 25, 2015, 07:12:49 AM
How many character would that turn off ?
Meyeb go cirn0 house take hid dev pasword and delete all v geys
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on February 25, 2015, 07:48:48 AM
They will swarm with new lvl1 characters.
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: PusiteGA on February 25, 2015, 09:07:57 AM
They will swarm with new lvl1 characters.
Ok go cirno0 house get IP of evry vgey player go around world brake hands of all of them, OK now (and dont sey they can play whit feets)?
Title: Re: Losing Rep HELP
Post by: naossano on February 25, 2015, 09:26:11 AM
They will use proxy and play with macros, programmed with their feet ;D