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[Scalesan]

Improvement is miraculous word. While most of the people are playing games just for fun, not to actualy learn, they could disagree with your gaming goal.
But sure improvement might be symptomatic to fun. Just wondering why "skilled" sneakers are not "improving", instead they are forcing newbies to "improve" themselves. Umm, so they hate fun maybe? Oh wait. Maybe people are not playing games to improve themselves... just to have fun.

Wondering if you still consider FO game, or what actualy does this application stand for in your mind.
If not you, then I strongly recomend to devs to actualy make game which is fun to play, instead of forcing players to "improve" themselves.

[RazorRamon]

You seem to suffer the misconception that the gameplay of aop consists only of walking around the core alone and checking bookshelves for items.

[Mad Matt]

Well, from what I've know not only newbs cry about sneak or waki

Anyway, my point is not to kill or remove sneak, just make a rule that sneak is visible from few hexes no matter how high his sneak skill is. Something like that, so you have those 1-3 seconds to prepare yourself.

[Scalesan]

You seem to suffer the misconception that the gameplay of aop consists only of walking around the core alone and checking bookshelves for items.

You seems to omit fact that players are organizing big PVP sessions, which are enjoyable for all players every evening. While you are probably unable to partake due your busy schedule, sneakers instakills are not any of use there. Serving mostly to noobstomp new players, which are trying to join those evening events with stuff allowing them at least 1 succesful hit.

[RazorRamon]

Well that's exactly what im saying, glad you agree with me.

Stop solo scavenging and join up with other players.

[Mad Matt]

RazorRamon...I don't want to be rude or impolite...but do you see that poll over our posts? People are really tired of Sneakers...

[RazorRamon]

Well dont worry, there's already a change planned.

Not the dumb stuff Stalker is suggesting, and not traps either, those should be usable by all, not just sneaks.

[Scalesan]

Well that's exactly what im saying, glad you agree with me.

Stop solo scavenging and join up with other players.

Once i will stop scavenging you will see me fighting T9 enemies with bare hands, your ideas seems to be realy exceptional...

[Mad Matt]

Well dont worry, there's already a change planned.

Not the dumb stuff Stalker is suggesting, and not traps either, those should be usable by all, not just sneaks.

Now I can agree, about traps and shit. About sneak, every change will be welcome by me

[RazorRamon]

Once i will stop scavenging you will see me fighting T9 enemies with bare hands, your ideas seems to be realy exceptional...

Your whining inspired me to do a little experiment: "How much can i loot going in and out of the core in a mere 5 minutes"

Here's the result:

Spoiler for Hiden:

Only picked up Weapons and armors of BETTER and above quality
I even dropped ~600 rounds worth of ammo to carry even more weapons

And best of all: not a single sneaker encountered

[Teela]

yeah. nerf hound gate graves.

[RazorRamon]

That was in family zones

Also graves were already nerfed, read changelogs

[Stem Sunders]

@Ramon
Most sneaks are in Hound faction atm. And BBoys, who for the last few hours have been running around with Hounds. You, yourself a Hound. I would say the odds are currently in your favour.

I myself have had a history of going to core and getting killed by sneak quite often (as you well know). I also tried scavenging recently with a hound char, in hound zones. I walked away with no deaths and a much higher grade and quantity of gear. And I'm only assuming here, but it probably wasn't peak time/numbers. Not that any of that matters.
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Now on point. I haven't had too much trouble from sneaks since start of season 2. Yes going in to core alone for scraps of toilet paper and porn, getting wasted blah blah. That aside, 85% of sneak I have seen this season are either running in front of or behind a ZC squad. Not running along alone. Yes some people ran around in snek squid and killed a few loners. I then see those loners go out in blue to look for their lost pixel. Instead of getting a few guys together and gearing themselves up with a chance.

I see a sneak attack the edge of a ZC squad and get crushed in seconds by a fast response. Then I see it go the other way and the sneak picks a guy off the edges, only for that guy to be revived by his team mates. Sneaks gotta know when to strike during large ZC. Unless swarm, then its pretty much do whatevermakesufeelgud.

Do I think sneaks should be gimped to the point of living CCTV? No. Do I think their weapons and gear, maybe their playstyle should be a little more specialized and situational...Depends.

Like most things, its accessible to everyone, and not necessarily the best thing to use, hm. Sneak is so tricky. I think I want to vote to keep them as they are...For now at least

Spoiler for Hiden:

OBLIGATORY NERF SNEK SPOILER                                                                             ...benis[/b]

[Scalesan]

Your whining inspired me to do a little experiment: "How much can i loot going in and out of the core in a mere 5 minutes"

Here's the result:

Spoiler for Hiden:

Only picked up Weapons and armors of BETTER and above quality
I even dropped ~600 rounds worth of ammo to carry even more weapons

And best of all: not a single sneaker encountered

I am not even gonna comment, how you have achieved this result, but my player counter says 25. So you can fight enemies with SPAS+CAMK1 or with DSR in leather jacket. Good luck.

[RazorRamon]

Of course you're not gonna comment, crying is easier

Also you should try looking at the time i posted it, there was 80 online then and not 25.

Whats the problem with SPAS and DSR? Both are highly usable weapons in ZC right now. You disappointed you're not getting gauss rifle and power armor for 5 minutes of playing point and click adventure in the core?

[Scalesan]

i am just saying that you will need at least 1500 more caps for 1 pvp attempt(armor+ammo), unless you want to die to random pipe rifle. And if you die with this,well you have to scavenge for an hour aproximately to get 2 polymer + some other materials to craft an armor. At this point sneakers will stab and stab.

And you are going offtopic already. I am not in need of gauss or whatever.

[RazorRamon]

The one going offtopic is you.

Whats stopping anyone from going to pvp with Spas+CA and DSR+leather jacket?

[Scalesan]

nothing stops them, except the fact they will instantly loose to equal count of players with actual equipment.

[RazorRamon]

Alright, DSR isnt actual equipment now. The gun that has dominated most of season 1, its ammo bought for up to 100 caps for a single shot. And now you can find tons of them for free and ammo is buyable at 2.2 caps per shot. But that's not good enough for Scalesan who has by now spent enough time whining on the forums that could've been invested in getting enough gear for the whole season.



And dont even bother replying to this, im not gonna read it anymore

[Scalesan]

Great, was about time.