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Title: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 15, 2016, 09:12:19 AM
This is a just quick poll to get an idea of how many people want to fight in PvP combat - considering all the new weapon balancing that has taken place over the last few months.

Sneak is much fairer than it used to be - so people who were worried about getting destroyed by a sneaker - would you consider coming back if fights were organised? (I consider the combat system to be exceptional).

Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Caboose on July 15, 2016, 10:30:02 AM
Nothing like flogging a dead horse.

It's great that you're still trying though.

Nice use of colour.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: FuckYou on July 15, 2016, 11:55:11 AM
fuck you
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 15, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
For our Russian Friends:


 
Небольшой опрос, для того, что бы понять сколько людей хотели бы вернутся на сервер, конкретно вопрос к тем, кто ушел с сервера из за хромающего и местами мертвого баланса.
    Сервер с момента ухода большинства игроков потерпел множество изменений в лучшую сторону, включая балансировку большинства оружия, и системы скрытности, которая стала очень дружелюбной к обычным боевым персонажам, и сникер более не может входить в кураж и расстреливать все подряд.
 
Так что хочу позвать всех, тех людей, которые ждали, или до сих пор ждут баланса. Так вот - он уже стал лучше.
Исходя из всего этого, призываю всех желающих вернутся на сервер, и участвовать в организованных боях между сторонами, и возможно даже спонтанных столкновений.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Komrade on July 15, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Yes a lot of changes happened but how much they actually impacted on the game ?

The question is : is it worth for the players to play the server at this moment ? Is it worth the players time to play the server at its current revision that isn't much better than it was at the beginning of the session and definitely worse than last season pre-wipe.

There is a reason that most players left the game, and it didnt happen only at the beginning but at a steady pace, the last players stopped playing at the current version of the game. Whats the point of calling players to try and get dissapointed from AoP at its current form.   
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 15, 2016, 01:18:30 PM
Yes a lot of changes happened but how much they actually impacted on the game ?

The question is : is it worth for the players to play the server at this moment ? Is it worth the players time to play the server at its current revision that isn't much better than it was at the beginning of the session and definitely worse than last season pre-wipe.

There is a reason that most players left the game, and it didnt happen only at the beginning but at a steady pace, the last players stopped playing at the current version of the game. Whats the point of calling players to try and get dissapointed from AoP at its current form.

Hi Komrade, I am talking about PvP - it is identical to last season. 

Yes, some aspects of the server are not as good - but the actual player vs player fighting is exactly the same.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Komrade on July 15, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
If you talk about clicking then yes its identical you still click.

As I have said players left for a reason and the last left the game that is in its current form, most of the last season core players have stopped playing for a reason too, why would they live if it would be the same ? They didn't leave for more than a year of last season after all  :)   
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: GaS on July 15, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
I think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 15, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
I think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?

It's not unbalanced at all.

Komrade fails to make one decent point to why PvP is worse.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on July 15, 2016, 05:04:32 PM
If you talk about clicking then yes its identical you still click.

As I have said players left for a reason and the last left the game that is in its current form, most of the last season core players have stopped playing for a reason too, why would they live if it would be the same ? They didn't leave for more than a year of last season after all  :)   

Komrade spews the truth

Nice use of colour.

Typical of them am I right  ;)

This is a just quick poll to get an idea of how many people want to fight in PvP combat - considering all the new weapon balancing that has taken place over the last few months.

LOL Weapon balancing? All it simply was that he changed a few numbers and a couple perks on weapons nobody is ever gonna use to PvP and it's "balanaced" ?  ::)

Hell, the numbers were only like 14-20 to 15 -22, SOOOO much balancing they did

As for sneaks, it's still shit. Fire s1man #NoRussiansOnDevTeam

Whats the point of calling players to try and get dissapointed from AoP at its current form.   

^

I'm still waiting for server wipe and suggested changes to #MakeAoPGreatAgain

From what I've seen, server dropped from 160 back to same 20 average in less than 3 weeks and back to ded status due to

Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 15, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
You haven't played for a while Stalker.....

You clearly don't know anything.

I am still waiting for one point on why the PvP weapons and systems are not balanced.

Just gimme something, please! :c
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on July 15, 2016, 09:23:19 PM
You haven't played for a while Stalker.....

You clearly don't know anything.

I am still waiting for one point on why the PvP weapons and systems are not balanced.

Just gimme something, please! :c

Excuse me, but how am I suppose to fight others and test weapons when server is at a constant 0  ::)

If it's so balanced, why isn't AoP thriving, isn't that what people wanted? Oh wait...

Just gimme someone, please! :c
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Wire on July 15, 2016, 11:48:45 PM
If it's so balanced, why isn't AoP thriving, isn't that what people wanted? Oh wait...
There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.

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Komrade fails to make one decent point to why PvP is worse.
Why should he?
You should realise that there's no incentive for players to PvP here currently. PvP in itself is not a problem, the motivation is.
I'm not gonna pretend to know what went wrong and it would be nice to hear actual points on what went wrong, instead of "broken sneak".
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Komrade on July 16, 2016, 04:09:57 AM
Let us be honest Count Mathew/Piggy, you are the starter of the topic that the game was best its ever been, that says more than enough for your views on it, the current online basically shows how well accepted the ''best its ever been'' is, 0-4 online state more than I could ever type here. And except the lie your statement is damaging to AoP as a whole, I doubt players will be happy to learn that the current version is ''the best its ever been'' cause it will give a very bad impression to where the current developing of AoP goes 

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I think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?

Did you ask them why they didnt go to pvp when they were online ? Or you just said its best its ever been and closed your ears to that all, blamed them for not coming to PVP ?

(http://i.imgur.com/LPSyvl2.png)

This poll says more than just changes to sneaks, just take a look at current poll and spot the biggest difference. 

And complete disregard and ridiculing of the players wishes arent going to get a lot of players either way.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Caboose on July 16, 2016, 05:16:23 AM
I can see Komrade's point on this and i truly respect his view on this topic. He like myself, Matthew, Tenova and a few others has done alot for bringing numbers to pvp both last season and this season. But whereas I empathize with Komrade's attitude towards the current state of the game, there are still 2 ways we can go about this. 1) We can stop playing or 2) We can log in a couple of times a week and test the current state of the pvp aspect of the game we love, afterall we have been testing for a good few years now and had some good fun in the process.

There doesn't need to be all this flaming and deleting both our forum accounts and sending the game files to the trash.

Lets take this topic back to it's base roots - Piggy has made a poll on who will actually be interested in organised pvp. I for one am very interested in this because I truly believe if we can actually get numbers on the board, we'll have some good fights and people will remember why we played in the first place.

If you read between the lines of STALKERS bullshit, he has some good ideas, that are probably in the process of being fixed as we speak.

Personally I won't ever give up on the game, at least until Cirn0 takes down the server completely (god forbid). Simply becasue I've had too much fun with Ashes of Phoenix and I literally do not have the time nor the patience to play anything else. Minus a couple of disturbed and toxic individuals, the community is great and I like staying in contact with the people i've met.

Finally I urge you, give the game another go. I agree it's frustrating - but even the last few weeks we've had some very fun fights on a smaller scale. The fun is still there to be had, we just need the people to get it back.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on July 16, 2016, 08:38:01 AM
haha komrade is on rampage mod, i agree with alot of things and i see we got some good guys here but all this doesnt matter since only the "devs" are in charge or responsible for the server in whole ( i know it sounds stupid and plain to you maybe, but it is what it is ) what i want to say is that u can be the friendliest guy on earth or the biggest dickeater or anything else... it all wont safe the server unless you choose to start improvng and doing work on the last seasons server state... at the moment i dont see much hope since siman said he just does what he wants and the originally "aop" developers are seeming to be way more inactive than ever probably due to reallife or because of loosing interest in it.

if the nonameyet team is ok with using their sdk they just should do it instead of letting the project die in my opinion, so other people could use what is there to host the last season server somewhere in a basement and improve it with a fresh new team.

this question would make way more sense in my opinion than just asking 0 people for organised pvp ( anything you multiply with 0 is ?thebestitseverbeen? )

Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: GaS on July 16, 2016, 08:55:38 AM
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I think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?

Did you ask them why they didnt go to pvp when they were online ? Or you just said its best its ever been and closed your ears to that all, blamed them for not coming to PVP ?
I didnt tell that current AoP is the best its ever been, but i still think thtat its better than other fonline servers. And yes, there is many things which i dont like, but its just game. You can use brain to create good tactics, can use good positions on maps for get benefit. Do u remember how church use covered melee tanks to catch us? It was good tactic. And what tactic do we usualy use? Hold the rooms or rush. I think its reason why we lose many battles and why some players left us. Unbalanced weapons and power of sneak isnt true reason why guys left. Swarming, rage screams and rage quits after losing battles is true reason. Imbalanced weapons and sneak was on 1st session too and what? Guys played. No assignments, poor dungeons and not enough online vs Hounds/Church/Family swarm is thrue reason i think. And that many players dont have will to win.

Caboose made good suggestion about players redistribution for balance but too late. He have to did it when online was around 25. Now online is 0 and its no more actual idea i think. But i hope that i wrong.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Komrade on July 16, 2016, 11:32:02 AM
Nah GaS you are completely mistaken on that part, believe me when I say that players dont leave the game just because they lost a battle or two or 5 for that matter. I played through the whole last season and I can tell you players continued to play the game no matter how outnumbered they were or how many battles they lost. The best examples were Family that had much less and less organized players at the beginning that barely stood a chance against superior paragons vtec numbers/weaponry, the winrate was very low, much worse that I have seen from any faction this season and they still played and still the same players continued to play and improve.

Did the online dropped ? did the players leave ? Nope they continued to play, same thing happened when Family started winning more battles vtecs might have quited for the evening or for a day but they still came and played cause they liked the game.

Another example was last seasons lawyers that at some point had abysmal winrate vs vtecs they hardly won 1 of 10 fights, courier/Stalker will remember those times ;) But point is they still played every day. Also for all the players that had the swarm killed pvp illusion, thats the biggest lie, and I can say that actually swarm is what keeps pvp and in extesion the server alive.

Caboose while I applaud your will to help keep the server alive as we did at some point I see no point in doing that currently for the reason that I didnt see improvements to the state of the game in the last .... months maybe, some things got slightly better other things got slightly worse but it remained still a worse version of AoP that we once played. So there is no point in logging in a few days a week to try a game that didnt change much for months. Still I dont say that I would mind playing vs you again and having fun but surely not at the current servers status.

Calling new players to try the current version of AoP is a disservice to the game that it once was, I personally dont want new players to see the current state that the game is and be dissapointed with it while they never had a chance to play a version that was much more fun.       
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: GaS on July 16, 2016, 12:09:18 PM
Nah GaS you are completely mistaken on that part, believe me when I say that players dont leave the game just because they lost a battle or two or 5 for that matter. I played through the whole last season and I can tell you players continued to play the game no matter how outnumbered they were or how many battles they lost. The best examples were Family that had much less and less organized players at the beginning that barely stood a chance against superior paragons vtec numbers/weaponry, the winrate was very low, much worse that I have seen from any faction this season and they still played and still the same players continued to play and improve.

Did the online dropped ? did the players leave ? Nope they continued to play, same thing happened when Family started winning more battles vtecs might have quited for the evening or for a day but they still came and played cause they liked the game.   

Well, i started play AoP in BBs on 1st session when there was 160 online, but i played no often and miss the moment when many players left. I dont know why it happened. But i continued play and saw how players leave one by one because they was bored from these daily circle: same assignments, same poor dungeons, get swarmed by Tecs (before alliance with Family). And in result we had only 4 continuously BBs players: Tenova, Imakandi, VaultBoy and me. And no one told that sneak is overpower or weapons is imbalanced when waki did 200+dmg ;D I remember all of it and cant understand why same players who didnt left AoP on 1st session give up and go away now.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 16, 2016, 02:36:01 PM
Interesting discussion, in all honesty for me I stopped playing at the fonline reloaded wipe, and got all of my fallout nostalgia quotas filled from that, by the time I was bored with that AOP had changed so much it was a different game in many ways, and the player count had diminished substantially, which in itself is a self propelled problem, as players that see low player counts in a PvP oriented game get an instant turned off feeling, and won't log on to get that player count back up.

It may sound silly, and by this stage in fallout onlines history is just cliche, but a wipe (even a shallow one, announced and hyped properly enough), might just jumpstart some action.

I would vote for some changes, though, as everyone's version of the game seems to be ever so slightly different, I am not sure how much use it is really.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Weasel on July 16, 2016, 03:37:13 PM
Well, i started play AoP in BBs on 1st session when there was 160 online, but i played no often and miss the moment when many players left. I dont know why it happened.

It really aint complicated....: In season 1 there was a good time where you would get insta killed for 600 damages from waki backstab by sneakers that appeared 2 hexes from you....took over a month to get it fixed so everyone left.

Here is how the ''mechanics'' of the thing works: Something gets OP/bugged-> Everyone starts using it: Some simply because it's OP, others to show everyone how broken it is.-> Dev's go: Well everyone is using that OP stuff, they must like it.-> After a while a lot of folks get tired of waiting for a fix and start leaving.-> Realising the server pop is droping fast, and having less and less people to fight, others start leaving until the server drops below 15 players.-> Dev's finally fix the OP/broken stuff and need to wipe server to get people back.

What killed the current season was partly the exploits/bugs followed by that ''should we wipe?'' poll...lots of people would have preffered if the server was just wiped clean from there and start fresh again since the wipe was still fresh.Then came the OP/broken stuff issue when technology was kicked up along with free lvl 24 etc. Then sneakers became the problem....people kept leaving and waiting for wipe.Now that we have less than 15 players, hopefully stuff can get fixed, server wiped and we can get back to playing a great AOP again. (We still had at least one week of amazing faction rampage action this season, just before too many had left and those sneakers became the plague of aop.)
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 16, 2016, 03:47:11 PM

It really aint complicated....: In season 1 there was a good time where you would get insta killed for 600 damages from waki backstab by sneakers that appeared 2 hexes from you....took over a month to get it fixed so everyone left.

Waki sneakers? Really? I think you mean sneak sniper trains because I only remember 2 or 3 players that were specifically waki sneakers, and I don't remember anyone bringing a waki to a ZC (as a secondary weapon, but I honestly can't recall ever dying to one during ZC).
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 16, 2016, 08:29:18 PM
I haven't read anything anyone has written. But it seems important. I will read or over. Thanks
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 16, 2016, 09:05:46 PM
I am done.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on July 16, 2016, 11:54:59 PM
There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.

Uuhhh....maybe AoP just wiped and it's FOnline tradition for server to be populated right after one....cmon Voland, you should know this.

And sneaking formula was actually fine, all that was needed is to change what weapons can be used while sneaking...but instead devs just made sneaks back into early/mid session 1 when sneak formula was just abysmal. Then they make it far more worst by changing it into simans sneak heavy. Light, weight, next to wall  bullshit. Like wtf, just fuck you dude.

I am done.

Bout time

Waki sneakers? Really? I think you mean sneak sniper trains because I only remember 2 or 3 players that were specifically waki sneakers, and I don't remember anyone bringing a waki to a ZC (as a secondary weapon, but I honestly can't recall ever dying to one during ZC).

When the hell were you playing? Ever since they added session 1 sneak formula, waki sneaks no longer exist due to everyone playing pistol/sniper sneak cause of shit detection formula. It was good (no more waki/melee sneaks) but same time bad (everyone playing pistol/sniper sneaks).

Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 17, 2016, 12:04:37 AM

When the hell were you playing? Ever since they added session 1 sneak formula, waki sneaks no longer exist due to everyone playing pistol/sniper sneak cause of shit detection formula. It was good (no more waki/melee sneaks) but same time bad (everyone playing pistol/sniper sneaks).

Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.

I played heaps before and just after the fonline reloaded wipe, but much less after that. And yes, that is what I remember, pistol and sniper sneakers, after they stopped sneakers being able to pull out DSRs out of their butthole with the weight system that was in place, everyone went back to pistols and light snipers, which was OK, but still, 2 or 3 sneaking dudes with M1Cs could just destroy targets very quickly from relative safety.

This is why my suggestion was about simply nerfing the flat damage they are capable of dealing, to stop people even bothering to try sneak instakill bs like that, and instead use them as the support they should be (vision, support dps/cc during fights).
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on July 17, 2016, 05:33:44 AM
This is why my suggestion was about simply nerfing the flat damage they are capable of dealing, to stop people even bothering to try sneak instakill bs like that, and instead use them as the support they should be (vision, support dps/cc during fights).

They're still gonna be a nuisance if they go with your suggestion...I mean IMO sneaks shouldn't be shooting a gun at all.

If devs would follow my suggestions you get


All they pretty much have to do is bring back late season 1/early session 2 formula with Wartime, just a little bit more invisible (since they won't be directly shooting other players), add perk Concealment so weapons you can sneak with. Make sneak penalty into something where a sneaker can't just pull out a sniper from 70 hexes and shoot, should be something like -80% hit chance for 15 seconds to completely prevent them. Add a new type of trap mine mean't to cripple, maybe new smoke grenade that instantly dispurses 6 hex radius so sneak can disrupt enemies DSR/Deployed things. Traps can alone be seen from 2 hexes with high PE, and high trap skills makes them visible from like 5. Evil scientist could use rework. Remember main job for sneak is to scout, traps just something extra. How to prevent trap spam? Make them expensive as fuck + rare/uncommon materials when crafting them. Except maybe one crappy trap like bear trap, that should be cheap. Sneak boys should also be cheap. Some other stuff

but why do I waste my time. Many others have told me too I'm wasting time trying to get AoP right. If I remember correctly...

Stalger: "change snek alredy >:("
john: "What do you have in mind?"
Stalger: "..."

Oh look, like the 15th time I've said my suggestion.

I havet touched sneak since 2014 and I dont intend to start now

R.I.P AOP devs, meanwhile cirn0 is in lala land doing god knows what. Last real post was a month ago too, so I guess you can truly say AoP is dead. Kind of hard though letting go of a game you played for 2 years straight and was one of the most active players. Shame, Blasma khan would be disappointed  :P
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on July 17, 2016, 06:47:46 AM
YOYOYO!
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 17, 2016, 07:47:04 AM
This is why my suggestion was about simply nerfing the flat damage they are capable of dealing, to stop people even bothering to try sneak instakill bs like that, and instead use them as the support they should be (vision, support dps/cc during fights).

They're still gonna be a nuisance if they go with your suggestion...I mean IMO sneaks shouldn't be shooting a gun at all.

If devs would follow my suggestions you get

  • A use for traps since they've claimed they have no idea what to do with them
  • Sneaks are SCOUTS ONLY +Use of traps so they don't become boring
  • All those Door Charges, Door Glues, Satchels, etc. would be used by sneakers
  • SOFLAM has a use now
  • Every FOnline PVP Ape's dream comes true of wanting sneaks only to be recon
  • Sneak Predators aren't driving away the new players

All they pretty much have to do is bring back late season 1/early session 2 formula with Wartime, just a little bit more invisible (since they won't be directly shooting other players), add perk Concealment so weapons you can sneak with. Make sneak penalty into something where a sneaker can't just pull out a sniper from 70 hexes and shoot, should be something like -80% hit chance for 15 seconds to completely prevent them. Add a new type of trap mine mean't to cripple, maybe new smoke grenade that instantly dispurses 6 hex radius so sneak can disrupt enemies DSR/Deployed things. Traps can alone be seen from 2 hexes with high PE, and high trap skills makes them visible from like 5. Evil scientist could use rework. Remember main job for sneak is to scout, traps just something extra. How to prevent trap spam? Make them expensive as fuck + rare/uncommon materials when crafting them. Except maybe one crappy trap like bear trap, that should be cheap. Sneak boys should also be cheap. Some other stuff

See I could agree with that ideal for sneaking if you were to include other thrown weapons into that equation and/or making traps quick use, like grenades, that way they have access to a decent array of crowd control weaponry, and aren't basically glorified surveillance cameras or doormen, i.e. in combat they would actually be moving around alot, to get behind groups and set up traps where they might flee, or help a group get positional advantage with crowd control support, for example.

They need to have a way to deal direct damage (it doesn't have to be huge amounts), at the very least thrown weapons and melee weapons should stay an option IMO.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Caboose on July 18, 2016, 05:56:12 AM
Stalker made it into another sneak thread. Fuck you man. Log on tonight guys, family has numbers and church has numbers, lets do dis!
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Kicks Started on July 18, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Lawyers got numbers too, not too large tho :D But we can fight too, hope we can get somebody to fight too
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Wire on July 18, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.

Uuhhh....maybe AoP just wiped and it's FOnline tradition for server to be populated right after one....cmon Voland, you should know this.
Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.
Exactly, there was a lot of people not because sneak was working, but because there was wipe.. And then a trainwreck of a start.  People were leaving because of exploits, sneakers killing em, no pillow intro and etc, many reasons.
People still leaving for same reasons, attributing it to just sneak is not really fair. And seriously, being a nuisance is the whole point of sneak attacks, but that's just my opinion.

I am not entierly sure, but I think John been trying to tell you that if you will do yourself all the work on sneak changes, devs will implement it for testing. But that's the whole joke, everyone just spreading literature about it. (and my statement would also need confirmation bout it from Cirn0/John, just to be sure)

However that's not that big of a problem.
The problem is, there's not much going around to actually pvp for.
PVE people were kept arout due to dungeons/assigments, those people are gone. Population dropped.
Next are the guys whom poke around and look at cool shit, did their thing and left too, because there wasn't that much of it around.
And then "I have biggest dick" guys have left because it's not hard to get gear, nothing to compete for, nobody to kill in bulk, etc. No challenge.

My point is, there's no system to keep people in. And no amount of sneak changes or trap additions will bring back people.
To put it bluntly, server needs content. And nobody is working on it right now, or willing to lend a hand except S1man, and he does what he can.(There's also Courier, but.. its complicated)
Devs are on vacation and all we have is a forum full of angry people. There's will to change, but no action.
I hope I've explained myself well.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Weasel on July 18, 2016, 02:06:59 PM
Of course it was not only because of sneaks, they were simply the last drop imo.

And yes, as you said there was not that much to do to stay interested. Mainly because of free lvl 24, tech progression that was rushed and over-abundance of loot.

There was quite a few suggestions made to rectify those issues tho;
1- Go back to old tech progression system where you turn in holdisk/maps/modules to unlock progresivly better weapons. (More scavenging)
2- Raise prices of top tier weapons on faction vendors and dont make them lootable from bums and ghouls. (Those guns will feel much more valuable then)
3- Either return assignemnts but in-core, or have caps into faction money converter NPCs for x rate       (more options,more people in the core and stuff to do when low online count.)
4- Make sneaks into recons, dont make them contest zones, and remove the ~ZC option ( more people in core because they arent afraid of being murdered by ninjas, more swords symbols on the map= more people going in for fights.
5- This is made true by #4; Reasons to try to capture zones: You dont contest your own zones, so controlling the map lets you scavenge in peace and get warning when ennemies enter, along with NPC patrols on your side. It's also to establish your faction's frontline. (Currently people take one zone here, one zone there without any real long-term goals, they choose batlegrounds based solely on # of snipers/bg/melle currently in their group.)

If anyone can think of anything else, feel free to share your toughts. We might not be coders but we can still paint a clear picture of what the players think for the dev's when they come back from vacations. ;)
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Teela on July 18, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
Hmmm. I'm going to have to agree. There was a lot more grind when i started playing. Finding relics. Making money was harder. Remember playing for a day until i could buy my first support combat armor and DSR50. Only to go with the pvp guys and losing it all in 2 minutes.

You can get rid of all the grinding (or meaningfull PVE) and have people pvp 24/7 without purpose. However, I like to grind for my first turboplasma and going to pvp with it. ATM money means shit and gear is for free. Kind of takes away my incentive to play to be honest.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RazorRamon on July 18, 2016, 05:18:37 PM
The real reason why everyone stopped playing is because you retarded autists turn every single thread into a sneak discussion

and a bit of what Wire said
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Teela on July 18, 2016, 05:46:01 PM
The real reason why everyone stopped playing is because you retarded autists turn every single thread into a sneak discussion

and a bit of what Wire said

I forgot. yes a bit of what Wire said.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: John Porno on July 18, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
I agree with Wire
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 18, 2016, 10:35:28 PM
There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.

Uuhhh....maybe AoP just wiped and it's FOnline tradition for server to be populated right after one....cmon Voland, you should know this.
Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.
Exactly, there was a lot of people not because sneak was working, but because there was wipe.. And then a trainwreck of a start.  People were leaving because of exploits, sneakers killing em, no pillow intro and etc, many reasons.
People still leaving for same reasons, attributing it to just sneak is not really fair. And seriously, being a nuisance is the whole point of sneak attacks, but that's just my opinion.

I am not entierly sure, but I think John been trying to tell you that if you will do yourself all the work on sneak changes, devs will implement it for testing. But that's the whole joke, everyone just spreading literature about it. (and my statement would also need confirmation bout it from Cirn0/John, just to be sure)

However that's not that big of a problem.
The problem is, there's not much going around to actually pvp for.
PVE people were kept arout due to dungeons/assigments, those people are gone. Population dropped.
Next are the guys whom poke around and look at cool shit, did their thing and left too, because there wasn't that much of it around.
And then "I have biggest dick" guys have left because it's not hard to get gear, nothing to compete for, nobody to kill in bulk, etc. No challenge.

My point is, there's no system to keep people in. And no amount of sneak changes or trap additions will bring back people.
To put it bluntly, server needs content. And nobody is working on it right now, or willing to lend a hand except S1man, and he does what he can.(There's also Courier, but.. its complicated)
Devs are on vacation and all we have is a forum full of angry people. There's will to change, but no action.
I hope I've explained myself well.

Meh, I saw AoP in the same vein as a MOBA or as Cirn0 put it, in its current state, a ''a glorified arena combat game''.

I liked the idea that you needed to farm to become viable in combat - it added a certain importance to what you did.

I guess, for me personally, it didn't really need anything more.

Other events or things to attract people to the core obvs could help(?!) if they needed to be persuaded to come pvp....
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 19, 2016, 12:15:28 AM
Well sure there were more people when we started, but remember all the complaints about people only doing assignments and not pvping? It seems like there was always at least a measurable percentage that never wanted to participate in pvp.

Combine that with people often not wanting to pvp with "half a build" (seriously, who wants to take a level 12 into a fight with potential level 100s running around?), so I would assume some just endlessly pve'd until they had a strong enough character to pvp (or never got to that stage), then when going into pvp realised that was almost a completely different game to killing npcs on assignments and left to go do caravans endlessly on fonline reloaded.

I always saw the pve (assignments) as the "fast track" way to get exp to pvp, as at the time it was, others may have seen it differently though.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Weasel on July 19, 2016, 11:02:04 AM
The real reason why everyone stopped playing is because you retarded autists turn every single thread into a sneak discussion

I tought it was because you turned every single thread into a ''your a retarded autist'' thread ???
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RazorRamon on July 19, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
you're*

you retarded autist
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Caboose on July 19, 2016, 11:58:27 AM
Get a room you two! This isn't a Weasel/Ramon flame thread!
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 19, 2016, 11:33:31 PM
Oh I see now, Ramon must have severe brain damage himself, that is why he only manages to read a couple of sentences out of entire topics, and continues to project his own issues on to others.

That sucks man, I just feel sorry for you now.

Proof;
you're*

you retarded autist
Being a grammar nazi while missing the most basic grammar rules, such as capitalisation and full stops, then proceeding to insult based on what amounts to the same mistake he is making while insulting. That is actually a common trait of Autism/Autistic children.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RestInPeace on July 20, 2016, 02:02:18 AM
the real question is, did he slide through the door or really through the wall... ???

(http://image.prntscr.com/image/3fc77e318f714f14bd338504ac2f0380.png)

Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RazorRamon on July 20, 2016, 04:55:02 AM
didnt read

LMAO LOL LOOOOOL, good one man, so funny, you should do standup, because autism IS hilarious. 10/10, would pay to see again, voice of a generation here.

Not really, I kind of hope you die painfully, like in a fire, or from blunt forced trauma to your organs and crotch.

I don't think I have ever wished death on someone before, so congratulations, you just busted my cherry in that regard.

Quality meme though, your family would be proud.

Have anything at all reasonable to say, or did you just come here to insight hate?
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 20, 2016, 05:07:36 AM
didnt read

LMAO LOL LOOOOOL, good one man, so funny, you should do standup, because autism IS hilarious. 10/10, would pay to see again, voice of a generation here.

Not really, I kind of hope you die painfully, like in a fire, or from blunt forced trauma to your organs and crotch.

I don't think I have ever wished death on someone before, so congratulations, you just busted my cherry in that regard.

Quality meme though, your family would be proud.

Have anything at all reasonable to say, or did you just come here to insight hate?

Nice try but not much of that really applies

Mainly because I did actually make posts relative to the topic at hand, the post you quoted is in response to you once again spouting flames, there was also no meme involved and I wasn't asserting that autism is funny at all, I was suggesting the fact you bring it up so much may actually be projecting, and that your anti social tendencies are symptomatic of autism.

But I digress, apologies for once again being drawn into your flames.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 20, 2016, 09:20:56 AM
Can people stop hijacking my posts?
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RestInPeace on July 20, 2016, 09:58:53 AM
Can people stop hijacking my posts?

highwat?
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Weasel on July 20, 2016, 11:14:59 AM
Have anything at all reasonable to say, or did you just come here to insight hate?

Bwahahahaha, coming from YOU that's just the most funny thing i ever read.  ;D ::) I think il need new pants cause im about to soil mine hahahaha. Haha....ah....*wipes a tear*

''autism IS hilarious.'' Indeed you are Ramon, indeed you are!
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 20, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Also I hate to sound presumptuous but I highly doubt I am the first person you have wished death upon Ramon, judging by your bilious toxicity at times.

If you are going to use my own method against me at least get it right :P


Bwahahahaha, coming from YOU that's just the most funny thing i ever read.  ;D ::) I think il need new pants cause im about to soil mine hahahaha. Haha....ah....*wipes a tear*

''autism IS hilarious.'' Indeed you are Ramon, indeed you are!

He was referencing a post of a reference to an old argument, get with the times Weasel :P

Can people stop hijacking my posts?

It's a bit late for that I think.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RazorRamon on July 20, 2016, 02:47:58 PM


Bwahahahaha, coming from YOU that's just the most funny thing i ever read.  ;D ::) I think il need new pants cause im about to soil mine hahahaha. Haha....ah....*wipes a tear*

''autism IS hilarious.'' Indeed you are Ramon, indeed you are!

baited hard
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Stem Sunders on July 21, 2016, 03:52:56 AM
Ramon / 3

Madman / 4

Weasel / -1.5


Lets keep it going guys.  ::)
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Weasel on July 21, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
Your right Stem, i AM horrible at trolling. Much better at inteligent converstations, but then again i would need another inteligent person to speak to. There is a definite shortage of that around, so im stuck trying to reason with a bunch of Ramons.

Back to the subject of this post: Organised pvp IS possible, and can be quite fun. We had some great small scale fights yesterday:2v2v2-3v3-4v4. It's really not hard to do when everyone is mature enough to split into even teams.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 21, 2016, 12:48:52 PM
Your right Stem, i AM horrible at trolling. Much better at inteligent converstations, but then again i would need another inteligent person to speak to. There is a definite shortage of that around, so im stuck trying to reason with a bunch of Ramons.

Back to the subject of this post: Organised pvp IS possible, and can be quite fun. We had some great small scale fights yesterday:2v2v2-3v3-4v4. It's really not hard to do when everyone is mature enough to split into even teams.

+1
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: FuckYou on July 21, 2016, 01:20:09 PM
FUCK FUCK FUCK
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: RestInPeace on July 22, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
FUCK FUCK FUCK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPkmwkGHKUA
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Caboose on July 22, 2016, 04:07:57 AM
But....aren't we all a little autistic?
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: mAdman on July 23, 2016, 12:44:47 AM
a bunch of Ramons.

I think they call that a gaggle of Ramons.

But....aren't we all a little autistic?

Entirely possible.


Good to hear there is still some organised pvp going on, I may just remake my old build as I assume it is now severely obsolete.
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 24, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
Does anyone want to PvP soon?

We can do Today, Monday and Tuesday if you fancy it?

When is good for people?
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: FuckYou on July 24, 2016, 08:41:05 AM
after server wipe
Title: Re: Orangised PvP - is it possible?
Post by: Count Matthew on July 24, 2016, 09:17:01 AM
after server wipe

Shut your whorish mouth PewPew!