FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix
General section => General Discussions => Topic started by: paragon on November 18, 2014, 06:38:22 AM
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Last battles became very personal. I know who is high value target to kill, weak sides of the characters contesting me, importance of each my kill just but nickname. Same about enemy knowing about me (especially because people who were playing with me play for enemy). It's stupid to not use such information if you can, but in the same time it affects gameplay by e.g. ability to concentrate fire at character just because you know him.
I'm not sure if it's good or bad. I'm trying to imagine what will happen if enemy characters won't have nicknames real until you e.g. point mouse over it.
I expect same effect as not having 50 green numbers of players HP on the screen (other servers). It's lame.
Immersion for komrade, problems for concentration of the fire for organized teams, less personal pvp.
How to replace nicknames:
2 approaches:
a) Nothing until mouse over player
b) [Faction identifier] [rank in the faction (fame)]. E.g. V-tec noob, family warlord.
Ideas?
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I honestly have no idea what I just read :s
Can you explain a little more please?
What do you mean by nicknames and stuff?
I agree that certain players should be higher priority targets.
(Edit) You saying we shouldn't be able to see nicknames during battles?
I get it now!
That would be cool, if there was some sort of rank symbols above our heads instead of a nickname.
But at the same time I like knowing who I got, and I Like knowing who got me. So I know who and how to deal with them in future.
Sometimes you can spot an enemys nickname and know what that player is about to do, just out of past experiences with that player.
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Situation 1:
You family, I'm v-tec. We meet in the core. I see your nickname.
I think: it's well-known machine gunner, and tell my team: kill him first. You die just because of your nickname and not because I look at your char / identify weapon / fame / etc.
Situation 2:
You family, I'm v-tec. We meet in the core. I don't see your nickname.
I think: oh, who do I shoot? I need to point mouse over you to see your nickname. If you are in team, point mouse over everyone (please, don't go to cover)
Now I think it's well-known machine gunner, and tell my team: kill him first.
My team: kill who? They need to point mouse over you to see your nickname. If you are in team, point mouse over everyone (please, don't go to cover)
You don't die if you're not shooting with MG creating threat and pointing attention at you.
P.S. Information in log will be unchanged -- all nicknames. But it won't help you to concentrate the fire easily.
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Well before I thought it should be good to be able to identify people (especially leaders so you can remove bonuses by taking out the leader) but with the leadership nerf i'm not sure they are targetted first now.
A good thing should be to set a generic name depending on fame (like MMORPG Dark Age of Camelot)
For VTech it could be (random names just to show my point) :
VTech student
VTech researcher
VTech scientist
Family :
Family wastelander
Family thief
Family ringleader
etc etc
And when you have very high fame or high enough bounty on you, your name should be displayed as it is now
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Really cool idea, I like it.
It will serve making players that still don't use TS even more disadvantaged though IMO
(Yes, yes I know it's nobody else's fault Family won't use TS but we can't force people)
If you are in TS there is less need to know nicknames
What if you were to say something like...
"Shoot the guy in MK3 Support Armor carrying the Deagle, he is stood on the left side of the magazine stand"
Its a bit of a mouthful but could still have the same effect without anymore than one person ever needing to have found out the nickname.
That being said I like the idea of a faction ranking system, that is visible to enemies.
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Komrade: MAAAAH IMMERSHUN!
:P
On a more serious note, it would be a nice feature not to display all enemies names before you hover your mouse on them. However, then you could even think its an NPC.
Hum sounds like a difficult balance to maintain....
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Anza, all players are just mercenaries, random people from the wasteland who fights as slaves for the food and room. We are nothing close to researches or anything (and don't go to battle in that case for sure).
LDR nerf makes you to have less FTL leaders in team, so it's even more cool to have an dedicated alt which won't die fighting.
> And when you have very high fame or high enough bounty on you, your name should be displayed as it is now
I will just create an alt each time for such case. I'm trying to not let people kill you because of your nickname and you're suggesting the opposite.
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Anza, all players are just mercenaries, random people from the wasteland who fights as slaves for the food and room. We are nothing close to researches or anything (and don't go to battle in that case for sure).
LDR nerf makes you to have less FTL leaders in team, so it's even more cool to have an dedicated alt which won't die fighting.
> And when you have very high fame or high enough bounty on you, your name should be displayed as it is now
I will just create an alt each time for such case. I'm trying to not let people kill you because of your nickname and you're suggesting the opposite.
I dunno if people are attacking because of nicknames.
For example, I have never fired at Suff simply because he is Suff
I fire at Suff because he's carrying a cannon, or he poses the biggest threat at the time.
I'm not sure people shoot at me because they know my name, but more because I opposed an immediate threat.
I dunno maybe wrong.
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When I said very high fame it was like not reachable easily, like you did ZC/PvP full time for several months, you should be well known in the wasteland :D Atm if you play a lot you should get any rank 3-4 name but not your name ofc
But we can limit it to high enough bounty on your head (like more than 500) :)
The ranks I suggested were just random to show my point they suck sorry :P
@Stem : For me, sometimes you see the name behind wall / window etc, you can't tell easily the weapon without hovering so you just point your mouse on well known prior target
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Really cool idea, I like it.
It will serve making players that still don't use TS even more disadvantaged though IMO
(Yes, yes I know it's nobody else's fault Family won't use TS but we can't force people)
If you are in TS there is less need to know nicknames
What if you were to say something like...
"Shoot the guy in MK3 Support Armor carrying the Deagle, he is stood on the left side of the magazine stand"
Its a bit of a mouthful but could still have the same effect without anymore than one person ever needing to have found out the nickname.
That being said I like the idea of a faction ranking system, that is visible to enemies.
Watch v-tech videos with voice. We almost never give fire concentration orders, because:
1. It's hard
2. People do not stand in the line with leader to see the same enemies
3. We don't speak English well enough to think about something that complicated as "Shoot the guy in MK3 Support Armor carrying the Deagle, he is stood on the left side of the magazine stand", in the same time as fighting and we not able to pronounce it in any enough time (5-6 seconds? and 15 seconds for team to understand).
It will actually nerf voice comms, because know I say: kill courier (2 words), everyone understands in 5 seconds and do. Without nickname.... try yourself.
The effect will be opposite. You see machine gunner - you know he's a threat, you shoot. And nobody can points it out until it created the threat (then "Shoot machine gunner", but lol, don't you see youself?)
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You suggest not being able to see the name of the players you meet ?
I have good relationships with some people in other factions, outside of ZC, and bad relationships with some others. I know, for instance, that player X from faction X must be shot on sight because he is a PK, while player Y from faction X is a nice guy that won't never shoot people first. If i don't know who it is, i might shoot some nice guys or give the benefit of the doubt toward known PK.
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War, war never changes Nao :D
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You suggest not being able to see the name of the players you meet ?
I have good relationships with some people in other factions, outside of ZC, and bad relationships with some others. I know, for instance, that player X from faction X must be shot on sight because he is a PK, while player Y from faction X is a nice guy that won't never shoot people first. If i don't know who it is, i might shoot some nice guys or give the benefit of the doubt toward known PK.
That is a good point, I wouldn't wanna pump Vault Boy full of lead by mistake :(
@Paragon
You also have a good point I have never heard you guys give such orders
but just because you guys dont/cant send orders like that doesn't mean that a different team can't.
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@Anza, I'm afraid I'll be first with high fame if server stays the same, it's very personal xD I don't really see any point except just giving the fame rank, it's already a lot of information comparing to no nickname at all.
And yes we still have our bounty.
@Stem, Yes, people attack ME personally because of my nickname, even if not everyone xD Same I do against enemies I know.
@naosanno
1. you will see nicknames with mouse over.
2. faction alliances are exploitable as we can see: courier, stalker and v-tech constantly capturing the whole core, such cheatbags ):
UPD:
@Stem, you really should try yourself to say someone to shoot at someone with something somewhere there. Please record, it'll be really fun.
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Another thing could be saying
[Faction] wastelander (or other if / if not rank system based on fame)
But when you're close enough (like 10 hex or depending on PER if you really wanna something RP :P), you can see the name, either as it is now or by hovering.
So you should be able to see your friends among other factions but still get a risk that it is someone else. Same goes with enemies, if you fight in the same small rooms, you should be able to recognize people right ?
Anyway I prefer my previous idea, faction ranks based on fame + name if high enough bounty :)
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When I play AoP, I don't see nicknames, I only see vtech noobs.
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When I play AoP, I don't see nicknames, I only see vtech noobs.
Hit F6 ;D
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I tried and I see vtech noob 1, vtech noob 2, etc...
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UPD:
@Stem, you really should try yourself to say someone to shoot at someone with something somewhere there. Please record, it'll be really fun.
I will try my best to do JUST that!
Now to find someone willing to take orders.....Hmmmm....... ;D
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There's public family mumble and 3 v-tech spies, try there.
For example, I have never fired at Suff simply because he is Suff
I fire at Suff because he's carrying a cannon, or he poses the biggest threat at the time.
And next time you fire at Suff because he was the threat through your past experience and you associate his nickname with it. That's the point
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There's public family mumble and 3 v-tech spies, try there.
For example, I have never fired at Suff simply because he is Suff
I fire at Suff because he's carrying a cannon, or he poses the biggest threat at the time.
And next time you fire at Suff because he was the threat through your past experience and you associate his nickname with it. That's the point
Noo what I'm saying is that, personally I don't make that association.
He isn't always my target or the threat that needs dealing with, Right?
Next time it may be Lulu carrying the cannon, or it might even you or CountMatthew that is the biggest threat.
The only thing I/we can really take away from knowing someone's name is perhaps their current skill level, as equipment and loadout change often. Sometimes from fight to fight.
I kinda like seeing at a glance which of you are in a room. Also still like this idea though, some sort of testing/trial required perhaps?
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There's public family mumble and 3 v-tech spies, try there.
what, where
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In European prime time xD
@Stem, so you won't suffer if they have no nicknames (:
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Is there anyone else than Paragon that want the nickname removed ?
You get to get accountable for your actions dude. If you kill anything on sight, troll everyone, or any other crap, you should be treated on a different way than if you just say hello to everyone, including people from other factions. And i am only talking about other faction.
In faction, it is crucial to know who's who, for coordination.
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@naossano
He proposed mouse-hover-see-the-name-click-the-trigger option. Why don't you go back and read that post again?
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I think it will be done through quest like awareness given. So you somebody does want enemy to see his nickname, it will be like that.
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I think high bounty should display name as it is now.
Then mouse-hover to see the name while you see Faction Rank instead while not mouse-hovering.
And why not a quest if you want everyone to see your name as it is now.
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@naossano
He proposed mouse-hover-see-the-name-click-the-trigger option. Why don't you go back and read that post again?
Which takes too much time.
By the time you check if it is Vault Boy's name, Redrum already killed you.
When you are amongs your buddy, someone shout to stick to player X, who is already dead by the time you checked everyone with your mouse.
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Last battles became very personal. I know who is high value target to kill, weak sides of the characters contesting me, importance of each my kill just but nickname. Same about enemy knowing about me (especially because people who were playing with me play for enemy). It's stupid to not use such information if you can, but in the same time it affects gameplay by e.g. ability to concentrate fire at character just because you know him.
I'm not sure if it's good or bad. I'm trying to imagine what will happen if enemy characters won't have nicknames real until you e.g. point mouse over it.
I expect same effect as not having 50 green numbers of players HP on the screen (other servers). It's lame.
Immersion for komrade, problems for concentration of the fire for organized teams, less personal pvp.
How to replace nicknames:
2 approaches:
a) Nothing until mouse over player
b) [Faction identifier] [rank in the faction (fame)]. E.g. V-tec noob, family warlord.
Ideas?
For sure, I agree, I like the idea of it based on level or reputation or fame, or all of the above. I still think it should hover over head (otherwise people with no wall mods are in a huge advantage, and everyone would probably use them or get trolled) without forcing the player to look at them.
Only your faction mates should know your name really.
Though with that being said, the game will be a lot more impersonal. For example "hey guys its actually me" blam blam blam "oh shit sorry all I saw was the vtech rapist label", or "nooo we just lost to a swarm of vtech noobs! And we have no way of seeking vengeance other than murdering indiscriminately".
So, good sides and bad, but you are right, as is, the person who knows or gathers the most personal and build information, is the better off party at the end of the day.
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I don't like it :P
I'd rather now who I'm fighting.
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There's public family mumble and 3 v-tech spies, try there.
For example, I have never fired at Suff simply because he is Suff
I fire at Suff because he's carrying a cannon, or he poses the biggest threat at the time.
And next time you fire at Suff because he was the threat through your past experience and you associate his nickname with it. That's the point
Noo what I'm saying is that, personally I don't make that association.
He isn't always my target or the threat that needs dealing with, Right?
Next time it may be Lulu carrying the cannon, or it might even you or CountMatthew that is the biggest threat.
The only thing I/we can really take away from knowing someone's name is perhaps their current skill level, as equipment and loadout change often. Sometimes from fight to fight.
I kinda like seeing at a glance which of you are in a room. Also still like this idea though, some sort of testing/trial required perhaps?
Stem, if I see you - regardless of the threats - I aim for you. :D
... And Vault Boy (My old bestie) :(
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@CountMatthew
I always knew you loved me really.
I have indeed seen you walk through fire and rockets to get at me ;D
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Hey why not remove all names ?
It will be fun.
Also why shoot at me ? I'm a komrade not an enemy.
Also game needs to autoban ppl who use voice coms because they break my immershun.
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@CountMatthew
I always knew you loved me really.
I have indeed seen you walk through fire and rockets to get at me ;D
Lol... im telling ya... he loves walking on fire :p
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Hey why not remove all names ?
It will be fun.
Also why shoot at me ? I'm a komrade not an enemy.
Also game needs to autoban ppl who use voice coms because they break my immershun.
Press F6 and you won't see them, without trolling the 350 players that need them.
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Press F6 and you won't see them, without trolling the 350 35 players that need them.
fixed it for you
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@CountMatthew
I always knew you loved me really.
I have indeed seen you walk through fire and rockets to get at me ;D
Lol... im telling ya... he loves walking on fire :p
What is your in game name please?
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GoofyTouches is bad mouth and filthy bitch, i went thru the whole core with my BAD remington Condition 4/100, when this whore asked me for help, i shot my last 5 shells to help her, but she retaliated me and killed me right in place (Hospital) i had also some legendary weapons, 2 gatlings, 26 PA fragments and 14k caps on me, if you would find any of those please PM.
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GoofyTouches is bad mouth and filthy bitch, i went thru the whole core with my BAD remington Condition 4/100, when this whore asked me for help, i shot my last 5 shells to help her, but she retaliated me and killed me right in place (Hospital) i had also some legendary weapons, 2 gatlings, 26 PA fragments and 14k caps on me, if you would find any of those please PM.
Doesn't sound like GoofyTouches at all..... ::)
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GoofyTouches is bad mouth and filthy bitch, i went thru the whole core with my BAD remington Condition 4/100, when this whore asked me for help, i shot my last 5 shells to help her, but she retaliated me and killed me right in place (Hospital) i had also some legendary weapons, 2 gatlings, 26 PA fragments and 14k caps on me, if you would find any of those please PM.
If it was stuff you looted, I wouldn't feel bad. If you were at hospital with all of YOUR OWN crap, thats just downright stupid.
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GoofyTouches is bad mouth and filthy bitch, i went thru the whole core with my BAD remington Condition 4/100, when this whore asked me for help, i shot my last 5 shells to help her, but she retaliated me and killed me right in place (Hospital) i had also some legendary weapons, 2 gatlings, 26 PA fragments and 14k caps on me, if you would find any of those please PM.
Hum.... Goofy being Family (if i remember well) were you perhaps from another faction?
Why wander in core without protection anyway? :(
The new system makes it more difficult for bluesuits to loot or go in the core
PS: why not use the stuff you looted to defend yourself. Legendary weapons, gatling? Really? And you re using a low condition remmy? :(
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Damn the GT imbecil won the AOP PIGGY BANK 'lootery'
ya ear me GubiFlufes u buying da drinks next time
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Btw beaten and robed is ok.
Other more unlucky people from certain blue colored faction are getting beaten rapped and repeated in certain school toilets
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Btw beaten and robed is ok.
Other more unlucky people from certain blue colored faction are getting beaten rapped and repeated in certain school toilets
you jealuos right?
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mmm no am not ,i took fair share of the fun