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Title: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: paragon on January 26, 2015, 01:05:12 AM
Hello. If you start the game now, you'll probably meet the equipment problem: not many of the players are doing assignments, dungeons or something else to get stable income. But don't be sad! There's a solution: spears!

Well, basically, only type of the spear: serrated spear.

Yays:
+ There's no hit chance for spear: it's always 100%. Take Fast Shot.
+ Your maximum range is >45 hexes (I believe virtually unlimited). It's more than average PKS range! (although it works only if target doesn't move / move in line with you, which happens pretty often)
+ Your average damage is 110 HP per 48 AP on full tank character. 2 spearmen working together will kill anyone in around a second if he doesn't move. 220 HP average per second!
+ Even if you miss, you will cause enemy to lag, so he shuffles couple of hexes back and decrease movement speed. Great time to use 2nd spear, you won't miss anymore!
+ You don't need to spend many points for primary skills: throwing is capped at 200. You'll be able to be a perfect medic in the same time! At level ~45 you'll also can have 200 of sneak! Forget primaries, they are for noobs only!
+ Full tank in Scavenged Power Armor? use unaimed for 32 AP and hit it for 60+ HP each time! It's not worse than any other anti-PA weapon, and it's just a standard tier 1 spear! Technology is for weak!
+ You can aim! And there's no aim time! This is the only weapon which is so cool and ranged in the same time in the game!
+ You can crit with spears! Cripples, bypasses, winded and disoriented, knockdowns and knockback - you'll do it all!
+ You'll laugh at stupid grenadiers! Thousands years of evolution, and they still drop grenades out of the hand and utility slots each throw! There's no grenade which can compare its damage output to your spears! Evolution is a lie! Actually, not even antimaterial sniper rifles will be able to make so much damage!
+ I even believe it's the only weapon without Area Of Effect which you can hex shoot. Isn't it the property of chosen by Gods weapons!
+ No weapon condition! All those crap: power armors, gatlings, avengers: they all get broken in the end. Your spears will remain forever and never jam!
+ You look sexy when have a spear equipped
+ And, of course, spears are cheap!

Nays:
"- Really, there's just no for such price"

But wait, it's not over yet. Wanna be real cool? There's an answer for this if you're spearman: a plasma spear. It cost around 170, it takes 10 SEC per throw, they do not stack so you can't throw two from one slot instantly... but... who cares if you can do 200+ damage with 1 on full tank character? And you can throw 2 instantly, just use utility slot or second hand! 400+ damage per 1 sec, and next one could be 200+ again as soon as you regen your 48 AP! And not need to care, nobody will pick up your bloody spear, they don't know which one hit them!
Also they cost no AP to reload!

Best tactics and applications of the spears: spears will always hit in close range except when the target is running perpendicular to throw line. Remember, no chance to hit! Take 2 spearmen inside the room, equip plasma spears and insta kill everyone who's trying to enter with 400+ damage! They have no time to hit you, so run all your aggressive modules like -weapon AP cose (less than 48 AP now!), +AP regen, +15 AP for killing and you can hold the whole v-tec swarm outside of 1 door with just 2 people!

And again, about v-tec. Do you remember those blue-colored dumb asses, which run around with gatlings and turbo plasmas? Just imagine, even the ZC legend suff is going to run as Forrest Gump, as soon as he see your spear. And now, even if v-tec swarm manages to overcome you 10vs1, they will get NOTHING? Your Metal Armor and 20 spears? They'll be pissed up as fuck, they just have spent more money on drugs and ammo, than they get from you!

Also don't forget to take your super sledge, to make it insured ;)

Now, why do I say that spears are cheap?
Very easy: people don't really bother to collect them. And NPCs use them a lot. Just an example:
(http://i.imgur.com/sHvf856.jpg)
Don't forget: each spear can be stacked on the ground, so it's more than just one in one pile.



Now for all others, what do if you meet a spearman in game? Just run. Really. there's no way you can win this. There's no sense to try and risk everything you have to get 20 spears.
But, oh, wait, don't run in line, you just can't. Spear will reach reach you anyway.

Probably, the best you can do is to start sciencing your equipment. At least, I'm going to do exactly this.

Now being serious:
Such weapon characteristics make game aggressively unrealistic and not intuitive. Linked to broken economy balance, very frustrating. If I would be a new player and would meet a spearman while equipped with my assault rifle, obviously dying without a chance, I'd probably not play the game after it.
I really don't like to see before-human-history weapons to be competitive with last and best technological weapons and often be much better them.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: naossano on January 26, 2015, 03:07:35 AM

Gathering time is a cost.

Anyway, i think we all agree that NPC should grab them.
My feet start to get rusty after walking on spear so many times.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Myakot on January 26, 2015, 03:48:46 AM
Wow, that's detailed, thanks for that, let's stick that thing.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 03:55:44 AM
me speer hit harda
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 06:32:55 AM
paragon when u post such things be decent to point out the cons and some of your numbers are missleading
if you want to give advice to players to start spearman do it right beacuse what u have posted is cunt rant not tip
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 06:43:19 AM
who murdered you recently paragon troli or imakandi ???
or u bear grudge from long time now u just outburst ?
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
who murdered you recently paragon troli or imakandi ???
or u bear grudge from long time now u just outburst ?
no he cant be murderd cuz my speers on him crit do 60dmg and when i tested on imakandi it does 110 like on all people (whitout baypas) so stuff cheating or i think so
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: naossano on January 26, 2015, 06:45:10 AM
Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 06:48:40 AM
Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?
paragon drunk abusing his powers
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Teela on January 26, 2015, 06:51:00 AM
who murdered you recently paragon troli or imakandi ???
or u bear grudge from long time now u just outburst ?
no he cant be murderd cuz my speers on him crit do 60dmg and when i tested on imakandi it does 110 like on all people (whitout baypas) so stuff cheating or i think so

Try testing again with psycho and damage converted to bleed leadership module.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 06:52:46 AM
we did thet, meybe we just got bad lucky numbers cuz i fired like 5 speers for test
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 07:16:58 AM
Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?

cuz some rants come from the privileged
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 07:45:34 AM
lets dispel some bullshit posted there
serated spear max potential range is 35 hexes "usable" for aimed atack 26 but... u only can hit after good amount of practice in the range 10-20  any sidestep nulifies spears at all

for lagging after miss.... where did you came with dat from ??? me and trolie duel alot and never observed such beahavior but cant say for sure this is not 100 percent tru 

no aim time it true BUT u have projectile travel time and it is not so fast btw it is prety dodgable even under 10 hexes
hex shooting spear used to negates crit modifiers

100 chance to hit ??? means it hits first target in the way so u can cover behind tanks or anyone  ,it is weapon dat needs alot of practice not to gut allies (there is implaer perk dat give piercing but it is extremly awkward and is more danger to teammate than anything)

at best u can yeld 2 atacks per ap pool

u pointed out that spearman is tank , yes it is so is melee , bg dudes , any burster can be perfect tank

cheap to uphold beacuse of the spears u can gather ??? everything can be gathered in core
everyone can run in metal armor or cmb1 so this is preference

everyone can invest in medic skills and everyone does

spears are unusable junk to you ??? well your mg and plasmas are unusable junk to me
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Teela on January 26, 2015, 08:07:20 AM
Well you can't compare still since you don't know what build paragon was using (perks, CHA). So do some more thorough testing before accusing people of cheating.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Teela on January 26, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?
paragon drunk abusing his powers



After having lived in his platoon base for a couple of months I'm not at all surprised that things get sticky after he touches them.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: paragon on January 26, 2015, 08:21:36 AM
lets dispel some bullshit posted there
serated spear max potential range is 35 hexes "usable" for aimed atack 26 but... u only can hit after good amount of practice in the range 10-20  any sidestep nulifies spears at all

for lagging after miss.... where did you came with dat from ??? me and trolie duel alot and never observed such beahavior but cant say for sure this is not 100 percent tru 

no aim time it true BUT u have projectile travel time and it is not so fast btw it is prety dodgable even under 10 hexes
hex shooting spear used to negates crit modifiers

100 chance to hit ??? means it hits first target in the way so u can cover behind tanks or anyone  ,it is weapon dat needs alot of practice not to gut allies (there is implaer perk dat give piercing but it is extremly awkward and is more danger to teammate than anything)

at best u can yeld 2 atacks per ap pool

u pointed out that spearman is tank , yes it is so is melee , bg dudes , any burster can be perfect tank

cheap to uphold beacuse of the spears u can gather ??? everything can be gathered in core
everyone can run in metal armor or cmb1 so this is preference

everyone can invest in medic skills and everyone does

spears are unusable junk to you ??? well your mg and plasmas are unusable junk to me

I can hit in 46 hexes. Did it today. If you actually read, you'll see that I said target must stay or move in your line.
"for lagging after miss...." - well known in Fonline and from testing.
I can throw spear 3 spears per 100 AP. If you can't, you obviously sux with spears.
Show me how you gather gatling in the core. But, nvm, let's just compare: I'll be collecting spears, and you'll be collecting _any other_ viable ZC weapons, and we will count who collected more in 5 minutes. We can even duel afterwards (I'll use spears) to see how viable they are.
Show me how you gonna invest 250 points in primary and 200 in 2 two secondaries.

I don't see how everything else you said is connected to my post.

But nvm, I'm gonna continue:

+ Projectile speed of the spear is higher than projectile speed of Plasma Cannon! And we really don't care, that plasma cannon is only buyable tier 3 weapon which all true spearmen actually collect in the core, because all plasma cannon users will drop their weapon and start running away having a spearman in sight!
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
45 hexes u can throw snake spear for gigantic ap cost unaimed and for joke dmg cuz snake spear is joke    serrated u cant do 45 hexes stop the lies
u can yeld almost 3 aimed groinshot if you are in -ap armor , brof, fastshot , and maxed -ap module
and dat configuration of perks and traits is viable for any weapon not just spears u can do 2 aimed asr shots dat way from 80 hexes
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Niamak on January 26, 2015, 09:18:37 AM
Don't worry cirn will nerf all your favorite weapons.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: paragon on January 26, 2015, 09:20:42 AM
45 hexes u can throw snake spear for gigantic ap cost unaimed and for joke dmg cuz snake spear is joke    serrated u cant do 45 hexes stop the lies
u can yeld almost 3 aimed groinshot if you are in -ap armor , brof, fastshot , and maxed -ap module
and dat configuration of perks and traits is viable for any weapon not just spears u can do 2 aimed asr shots dat way from 80 hexes

*censored*

Heh, nice one, it didn't take too long. I like this sweet moment when people run out of arguments. Well, no heaven for you.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 09:29:21 AM
I can only do 2 aimed shots whit full ap whit brof not aiming eyes, you cant even 3 unaimed 1 is 34ap but trow animation last some sec so afer 2 you regen 8 so you can 3 in a row
only good speer is sarated other sux or are broken
ramon enveded my speers from <5 hexes just moving sideweys so if you play smart you can eazy envede
for me speer shoud be high dmg but skillshoots based
and cirn0 (cuz paragon probably wont support this) shoud fix hex trowig so i can hex trow aimable

paragon set speer dmg to 2hp meybe you feel better for some time

Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 09:30:30 AM
i can give you a free and creative private lesson how to fight properly against spearmans
ill give u complete guide how to battle against dat evil it's strong points and it weakneses
u may improve your skills ant stop cunt ranting
and btw Paragon .... right now you are ....you know... exemplar of the ...

with utmost respect mr.Nailbrain
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Myakot on January 26, 2015, 09:38:34 AM
@nailbrain

Lay off on rudeness level. There is literally nothing good to come out of this.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
+ Even if you miss, you will cause enemy to lag, so he shuffles couple of hexes back and decrease movement speed. Great time to use 2nd spear, you won't miss anymore!

- Even if you hit enemy, he gets speed boost, tp to base, gets free iguana stick and bear and then tp back whit cookie, second speer gives you nuke cola and unicorn

Same logic
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Komrade on January 26, 2015, 10:05:37 AM
Stop censoring stuff please, it's fonline not some gay mmo where you can be banned for saying baka.

Also paragon sounds very butthurt for some reason, I fought and killed a lot of spearmen these last days, yes I saw the buffed dmg but don't see how its THAT hard to kill them. And no you dont go with plasma cannons or gattlings to fight spearmen. I never tried a spear thrower build, maybe will do to see what is it about.   

And stop trying to draw more attention like this, its embarrassing abuse of power. 
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: naossano on January 26, 2015, 10:06:47 AM
They aren't so OP agains't the blue swarm, but i am not sure if that's what Parangon intend to say...

@nailbrain

Lay off on rudeness level. There is literally nothing good to come out of this.

Unless people call others children of an hamster. This makes others laugh.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 10:11:14 AM
Aliena vitia in oculis habemus‚ a tergo nostra sunt  Myakot
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Myakot on January 26, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
Aliena vitia in oculis habemus‚ a tergo nostra sunt  Myakot
I don't see my posts begging people to "suck somebody's cock off" or etc.

Stop censoring stuff please, it's fonline not some gay mmo where you can be banned for saying baka.
Yeah, TLA had absolutely no problems with that =\, where people basically did everything they could, only to destroy all the fun other people could have (bug-using etc), only based on forum threats.

Yes, I'm sorry, I won't "censor" anything again here, if any1 is interested, that post basically said: "F**k off right of the edge of my ****"
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 10:56:37 AM
Wow, that's detailed, thanks for that, let's stick that thing.

dear Myakot u made it sticky , tread that is ugly one sided and contains alot of misguiding information ,speculations, even blatant lies but MOST importantly is a PERSONAL butthurt rant  in place called "game tips&guieds" u also thanked for dat and move it to the top of the section, a RANT not guide not tip RANT
this is RUDENESS this is insulting to the ppl who might chek there  for TIPS&GUIDES 
Am rude player but you are biased moderator
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: cirn0 on January 26, 2015, 11:03:26 AM
I've moved this to the Lobby because it fits so perfectly. Let the lobbying begin!
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
this is way more fitting place indeed
 
and since we are here
Paragon if you think spearman is so efective and easy to play why dont build some in teks and use them ???
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: cirn0 on January 26, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
Trial by combat!
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
Post by: Count Matthew on January 26, 2015, 12:32:20 PM
I can only do 2 aimed shots whit full ap whit brof not aiming eyes, you cant even 3 unaimed 1 is 34ap but trow animation last some sec so afer 2 you regen 8 so you can 3 in a row
only good speer is sarated other sux or are broken
ramon enveded my speers from <5 hexes just moving sideweys so if you play smart you can eazy envede
for me speer shoud be high dmg but skillshoots based
and cirn0 (cuz paragon probably wont support this) shoud fix hex trowig so i can hex trow aimable

paragon set speer dmg to 2hp meybe you feel better for some time

I have got a fair few kills with the barbed spears. Good bleed and just as good at disarm etc.

Disarm weapon.

Crit legs.

They bleed to death.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 01:41:25 PM
sperman is exelent build if u have taste for skilshots , problem is Her Majesty Dei Gratia Regina Suffia I from the VTeks don't like the stoneage tribal unSUFFiscated  weapon dat happens to kill Her loyal people subjects
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: PusiteGA on January 26, 2015, 04:36:22 PM
i wont comment no more i think only one seying speer is OP is paragon so if he solo has enought lobby power to force nerf then dunoo what to sey does somone know wher paragon lives ? xD
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: paragon on January 26, 2015, 06:01:36 PM
If you really want to know where do I live, it's not that hard. I'm not hiding on the internet, using real name on many of my accounts.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 26, 2015, 07:17:46 PM
If you really want to know where do I live, it's not that hard. I'm not hiding on the internet, using real name on many of my accounts.

with mommy and daddy ???
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Smalltime on January 26, 2015, 07:22:20 PM
i wont comment no more i think only one seying speer is OP is paragon so if he solo has enought lobby power to force nerf then dunoo what to sey does somone know wher paragon lives ? xD
A couple spears will have an AP adjustment in the next patch, however the damage will be untouched.
I also made a little surprise that you'll have to run the updater for, after next patch.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 03:58:12 AM
ap adjustment ???? like fkn 50 percent increase ??? on only usable spear ???
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 04:04:15 AM
congrats Paragon now we all know how things realy works
lobby ???? my ass .....
 
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: paragon on January 27, 2015, 04:49:13 AM
I'd like to thank Myakot for doing his job and ask other moderators to pay attention to the situation and prevent people from at least insulting others (me and Myakot as well). nailbrain is crossing the line between ignorance and allowable behavior.

http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=769.0
FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix is a game, and want you all to feel comfortable when you play or read the forums. That's why we'll pay attention to make sure that spamming, insulting, flaming and trolling cases will be addressed accordingly, with warnings or bans if required. If you're not happy about something, please talk about it and give us arguments.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 05:08:32 AM
I'd like to thank Myakot for doing his job and ask other moderators to pay attention to the situation and prevent people from at least insulting others (me and Myakot as well). nailbrain is crossing the line between ignorance and allowable behavior.

http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=769.0
FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix is a game, and want you all to feel comfortable when you play or read the forums. That's why we'll pay attention to make sure that spamming, insulting, flaming and trolling cases will be addressed accordingly, with warnings or bans if required. If you're not happy about something, please talk about it and give us arguments.

fok ya cunt 

i speak as i feel it no need to hide behind a wall of eloquences, when FUCK YOU
is needed nothing can replace it
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 05:13:04 AM
I've moved this to the Lobby because it fits so perfectly. Let the lobbying begin!

PURE HYPOCRISY

next day hammer time
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: PusiteGA on January 27, 2015, 06:19:15 AM
+1 F U
Only you sead speers OP and ofc speer nerf, nobody other cryed about it, like nailbrain sead lobby my ass, your vote is worth like 50 normal people vote, now you will see spear build desapire cuz i dont think anyone will want to use it when you can trow only 1 speer per AP
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2015, 06:27:07 AM
U could nerf it by decreasing the spawn amount of serrated spears, problem with core pvp with uberdamage will be fixed with rare damage dealing spears, the pa problem will fixed bcs of it too, also it's really hard to control the mass pvp with speaman and hit the target properly when rockets and plasma bolts around, spearmen have(had) their own playstyle, +1.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Niamak on January 27, 2015, 07:20:59 AM
Quote
- Throwing Damage now increased by Melee Damage

Then

Quote
- Spears increased AP ( 15 ), new spear image links

It was to be expected really.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2015, 07:25:15 AM
and before it was nerfed by decreasing crit damage.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 07:27:58 AM
only sper used is serated and it is +20

crit rework like many other things foked sper dmg bad adding melee dmg barely returned it to what it was and this is only if u take heavy handed

now adding 50% more ap cost is effectivle cutting spear in half

and u need to actualy hit not just click

and btw during its epic fast flight animation gues what u dont regen until it land even more
funy sometimes if you try to run afterwards even +ap regen blocks so u must stop somewhere and wait
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2015, 07:31:59 AM
Well, the damage for melee was buffed by venomous hands, which decreasing the critical resistance of target, so it's not SO foked up, if u'r not about the sledges.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
So spears got nerfed by the crit nerf, and got a bit back with heavy handed. What about the other crit weapons ? So yeah a nerf could have been expected.

You have to hit yes, but you don't have aiming time. See ? Kinda make sense  :)

Anyway, seeing spears builds suddenly appear a lot in core makes me think it's strong enough to make people reroll or at least change their gameplay into that. It should be a strong hint on OPness  ;D
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 10:19:14 AM
dont have aim time ??? u have fkn travel time
u raise gun wait 1/3 of sec bam HIT

nerf expected cuz of POTENTIAL benefit weapon can have from trait rly
what is next ??? pump up all melee ap cost by 50 percent ? cuz they can benefit from HEAVY HANDED
ooh and (sorry Ramon) u can fkn stab 2x aimed with waki wtf pump up ap cost !!!
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 10:29:24 AM
Yes that's what I am saying if you were reading.
Aiming time on guns
Travel time on spears
-> so don't complain about travel time

All crit dam nerfed, but spears got heavy handed dam, unlike other weapons that use crit
->so don't complain about spear nerf

What you call nerf seems to actually be balancing.
Last time I try to make it up for you as you started to add insults in your posts above (not directed to me - I hope - but that's not the point)

> funy sometimes if you try to run afterwards even +ap regen blocks so u must stop somewhere and wait
That's actually not intended I think so it should be treated as bug  :)

> ooh and (sorry Ramon) u can fkn stab 2x aimed with waki wtf pump up ap cost !!!
Don't start me on that  ;D
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 10:33:26 AM
no aim time first spear but until it hits miss lands etc u cant throw second one u must wait
and on over 15 hexes u must wait alot
gun on the other hands resets on shoot not to mention cycling aimed shot
and btw unaimed shots in the time (in secods) i throw 2 spers u can shoot several times
not to mention how many busrts u can do

and no aim time is not quite true btw try throwing before post commnets dats what angers me bout paragon he post (false) dry math
try playing
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 10:40:33 AM
Yes you can't throw another spear until the other lands...

Guns :
Aiming time
Hit/Miss
Aiming time
Hit/Miss

Spears :
Travel time
Hit/Miss
Travel time
Hit/Miss

So you throw 2 unaimed spears and I can shoot several times but for how many damage ? Anyway I can say I do unaimed shots with my AK and you throw aimed spears, then ask why you do more damage  :)

EDIT : I can watch Count Matthew's spearbot playing and even he can kill people now so it MUST be broken  ;D
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
yes but total sum u shoot is more i can hope u to fail 1 of 20 shot u on the other hand u need to do simple sidestep
i dont know how to play against sperman is NOT reason for nerfs
it is the general lack of expirince of ppl fighting against speramns dat made me so dangerous
not so long ago i was the only persistent spearman
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
But you throw your spears when I open a door / enter a room, or you throw your spears when I'm raising my weapon. You're not a random spear player who started coz of the insane damage so don't pretend you fail so many spears attacks  ;)

I can say "I threw 2 spears on someone but he was side stepping, then while I was out of AP he shot me to death, please nerf guns" but what would reply despite Get good or You obviously suck  :P You're using potential situations yourself as arguments
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
im dont fail many atacks i rarely fail them anymore BUT i do dat for months
so i invseted time and love to became good at spearing and for dat here comes the nerf

"Just imagine, even the ZC legend suff is going to run as Forrest Gump, as soon as he see your spear." so one guy cant handle spearman battles and nerf comes ???
HE CAN'T handle it so entire unique to fonline build gets scraped
goddamnit learn to counter spearman
i know perfectly how to counter sperbuild if i can learn so the "zc legend" can but he prefferd the easy way whine for nerf
What Cirn0 did is to castrate his own creation am just a fkn player
btw he did it also to most popular melee build the "hammer dude"
melee snekers are history too as much as i don't like Ramon it was his spot and he seems to enjoyed it , REDRUM , ANZA how you felt dudes ???? same way as i do proly

now only thing left is burster


 
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 11:25:09 AM
I think you mistake nerfing and balancing. You char is still very viable so keep on playing him and you'll see it's still good  ;) I had 2 200 leadership chars AND I was asking for nerf on leadership. When the nerf happened I was like WTH this is hard nerf, and some people were starting to say You killed leadership. But weeks after guess what ? People still use leadership as it is still very powerful and necessary, but more balanced now.

I don't think nerf came from Paragon's post, it must have been thought through since some time so trust a bit the AoP team they don't want to kill a build that's for sure. Again keep playing your build you love it.  ;)
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: naossano on January 27, 2015, 11:32:16 AM
As much i agree that nerfing something OP can still allow that thing to be strong, and leadership is included, i can't also help but notice that when some specific persons from a specific faction are complaining about something or want something added, it will appear much much quicker on the next changelog. It might just be pure coïncidence, (no matter what we can think, it can actually be that) so i don't want to jump on it, but i understand those who are skeptical.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nailbrain on January 27, 2015, 11:32:19 AM
your optimism is quite refreshing but no it is the end of the this type of char 60 base unaimed is over the top 40 was well balanced
for such ap cost u can shoot BG sniper for the same dmg from mile away and it is "unmissable"
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Count Matthew on January 27, 2015, 11:35:56 AM
im dont fail many atacks i rarely fail them anymore BUT i do dat for months
so i invseted time and love to became good at spearing and for dat here comes the nerf

"Just imagine, even the ZC legend suff is going to run as Forrest Gump, as soon as he see your spear." so one guy cant handle spearman battles and nerf comes ???
HE CAN'T handle it so entire unique to fonline build gets scraped
goddamnit learn to counter spearman
i know perfectly how to counter sperbuild if i can learn so the "zc legend" can but he prefferd the easy way whine for nerf
What Cirn0 did is to castrate his own creation am just a fkn player
btw he did it also to most popular melee build the "hammer dude"
melee snekers are history too as much as i don't like Ramon it was his spot and he seems to enjoyed it , REDRUM , ANZA how you felt dudes ???? same way as i do proly

now only thing left is burster

Trickshot
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Count Matthew on January 27, 2015, 11:39:22 AM
Yes you can't throw another spear until the other lands...

Guns :
Aiming time
Hit/Miss
Aiming time
Hit/Miss

Spears :
Travel time
Hit/Miss
Travel time
Hit/Miss

So you throw 2 unaimed spears and I can shoot several times but for how many damage ? Anyway I can say I do unaimed shots with my AK and you throw aimed spears, then ask why you do more damage  :)

EDIT : I can watch Count Matthew's spearbot playing and even he can kill people now so it MUST be broken  ;D

I haven't played speary for like a week.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 11:41:56 AM
Just think of a balanced team with
- 1 EW crippler
- 1 SG sniper
- 1 BG burster
- 1 healer @225 weapon
- 1 spear/nades thrower
- 1 melee ssledge

You can easily see the spear guy has a spot on that kind of team, and will be better that another SG sniper in most situations for example  :) Lawyers had some results thanks to dam output from spear user, target a non moving BG who is shooting, cripple/drop weapon, and if not, any focus fire with a KD aim-eyes gun will kill target very fast. It is still very good so keep playing it really
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2015, 11:43:53 AM
The aim time / travel time was before, noone complained about it and it was realistic and fun, the first nerf was when the critical damage was decreased significantly, then it was "balanced" by adding the damage mod from melee to spears, BUT this change made gifted spearman almost useless, and non-gifted chars started to invest Stat Points in IT, now we have +20ap to perform a good throw, so in fact it was 2x nerf(no gifted chars, more ap to throw), and remember the old damage system, IMHO, it was better, but the weapons perks and traits changes brings this old damage, what i can't say about the spears.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Anza on January 27, 2015, 11:49:39 AM
Go read changelog thread  :)
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: PusiteGA on January 27, 2015, 12:30:12 PM
i think ther is no need to border whit this thread they will see when speer trowers desapire from game thet it sux
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: Ananas rape on January 28, 2015, 02:35:39 PM
your optimism is quite refreshing but no it is the end of the this type of char 60 base unaimed is over the top 40 was well balanced
for such ap cost u can shoot BG sniper for the same dmg from mile away and it is "unmissable"
Y u still here. Thought u were gone
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: nasaru85 on January 29, 2015, 10:28:44 AM
Paragon can you tell me how all stuff drop in the earth is highlight green color, how do you that? can you help me :) thanks you

(http://photoshare7.com/images/2015/01/29/sHvf856.jpg)
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 11, 2015, 10:56:31 PM
Paragon can you tell me how all stuff drop in the earth is highlight green color, how do you that? can you help me :) thanks you

You just need photoshop or something and just edit the world items in your data folder.
Title: Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
Post by: PusiteGA on February 12, 2015, 06:48:50 AM
buff my spears xD