FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix
Community section => Events & Politics => Topic started by: Caboose on February 15, 2015, 04:42:52 AM
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Factionless are scum, that need to be wiped out in the core. Do not trade, kill on sight.
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Bet you're a V-Tec scumbag too eh. ;)
Sewer Rats are awesome, don't knock them. It's a good choice for hardcore players since you actually have to use your wits. And probably some good hiding spots to get away from asshats.
Ex-Sewer Rat RECOGNISE
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Nah. Don't listen to this guy. The faction to go to is obviously the Brotherhood of Steel. They have the right gear and they don't punish factionless people unlike SOME PEOPLE ;) ;) ;)
...brahmin boys for lyfe!
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Actually i am even surprised that our group still exist after the first day, so everything that we can do in the future will be bonus.
But if you think we can do better, feel free to join us and provide tips.
(although i advise you to make another char. Some might be harsh agains't vtec)
I not even interested in trying, it's a fad, please everyone go back to your factions and forget this ever happened.
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Nice of you to share your opinion.
Do something usefull for us (or anyone) and we might actually care about it some day.
In the time being, our doors are still open.
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When factionless will get all the support, the whole v-tec just joins it. And be careful, we might be harsh to not ex-vtec
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When factionless will get all the support, the whole v-tec just joins it. And be careful, we might be harsh to not ex-vtec
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When factionless will get all the support, the whole v-tec just joins it. And be careful, we might be harsh to not ex-vtec
Well, it is up to you to provide us that support by trading with us, help us to fend off nasty critters etc...
This is the only support we might need.
Some of us proposed to support V-TEC, but got shot. But, hey, it's never too late to redeem yourself.
Although some people might have harder time than other to warm on you because of your past behavior, but time and atonement can heal many wounds.
But if you get past your pride, nothing is impossible.
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When factionless will get all the support, the whole v-tec just joins it. And be careful, we might be harsh to not ex-vtec
Well, it is up to you to provide us that support by trading with us, help us to fend off nasty critters etc...
This is the only support we might need.
Some of us proposed to support V-TEC, but got shot. But, hey, it's never too late to redeem yourself.
Although some people might have harder time than other to warm on you because of your past behavior, but time and atonement can heal many wounds.
But if you get past your pride, nothing is impossible.
Listen to yourself much? The rats are unpredictable, Troline attacks all blues on sight, no matter if they are known players or new players that are level 4 or lower - even if 1 of you acts this way, the whole rat pack gets bad rep with New and Old Vtec alike.
I personally have no time for rats and think they are pointless to the game. They add nothing to zone control. Why the hell should we be giving you gear when we need it ourselves or among our fellow blues?
What past behaviour? If you look at the current state of pvp - then the only people not to blame are Vtec. We've consistantly had the same people. Family joined Lawyers when they were already tough, BB's held the alliance with Family long after they were outnumbering us. And now we're supposed to beg for help and share gear with rats, who are no more helpful than the random blues we seem to accumulate on a daily basis.
Vtec has been the most consistantly active in pvp out of all factions, thanks to about 4/5 of us - so please, look again at what you're saying, because you just look stupid.
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- So you are blaming a whole group for the actions of one guy, in the land of open faction, while disregarding the actions of a whole group you are part of ? Beside, that Troline guy attacked opponements that were outnumbering him, and left them their gear. I don't recall blues leaving all the stuff, while they all rush lone guys.
- You have no time for rats, and yet, you sometimes ask for all support, sometimes hunt them, sometimes ask them to stop what they are doing. Pick a side. Do you support them, ignore them or hunt them ? Beside, why the hell the sewer rats would add anything to the zone control, as the whole point is to play outside of zone controls, factions, and the benefits of the faction ? We are trying out self-sufficience in the core, with pros and cons of the current system, trying to find out new ways to play, counter the boredom of six months doing the same kind of stuff. It is an experiment, in which nothing is granted and in which we probably lose more than we win, but the point is not winning. Also, trading stuff with Marxman is not giving him stuff. Lastly, your buddy told that he would join the factionless if we had support. Why not starting by supporting us then ? Even stating that you accept us, instead of asking us to leave the factionless, would be a beginning of support. Beside that, i don't get why you are so agains't our group, considering the total lack of treat we currently represent and the low lovel of treat we might potentially represent even at our prime. As Marx, myself and others already pointed out, the point of the sewer is not to fight you. We are not meant to support any faction more than one other. If you ask us for support, we might provide it to you, provided that you treat us well.
- What past behavior ? Swarming for six months and denying it, refusing to take part of counter solutions, killing scavengers on sight, taking ALL the zones at night time, making people ragequit within your own faction, bullying Stalker/Oleg, disrepecting your own grunt by saying your faction would be nothing without you/suff, killing the factionless that proposed to help you and so on. And cracking jokes instead of making efforts when people are calling you on it. Fortunaly, people can be forgiving, but you need to make some steps in the right directions, prove us that you are better than we think you are.
Of course, i mostly see the result of your actions, not what caused them, and also happen to be talking with the worst of you on forum. I might be misjudging some of your members, who mostly follow, unaware of the implications. But if you don't give counter exemple, only what we can see remain, and it doesn't look good. But as i said before, people can change. They just need to want it.
On the other hand, i can also admit that it might need some additionnal time as there are some people that are so much into their V-TEC hating conviction (six months with you can cause that) that it will take a lot to convince them to stop hunting you. As soon as you tell us that you want to soften things a bit, we will certainly have to make some move toward our hardliners to give you a chance. Although, remember that can only act on patterns. No matter what the faction general policy will be, there will always be one or two guys acting agains't it, chasing his own enemies. I recall that 1-2 lawyers gave me a lot of troubles when i tried to soften the diplomacy with the family. They know who i refer, but i won't blame them either, as there is nothing you can do agains't lone wolfs in open factions. But the actions of those 1-2 guys didn't prevent our faction to have diplomacy channels opened.
Anyway, i am tired of these dramas.
Maybe we should all gather our diplomats at one zone and sort out our issues.
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maybe delete factionless , i cant even kill lone looters anymore because no timer is popping up ... game is getting really boring after all those people switched to factionless and doesnt do anything in ZC ... moreover i see factionless alts in factions so that they can get stuff but they never help with zc , i mean its okey i checked sewerrats projects played some hours and it was boring at hell , nuthin u gain from it beside not taking part in the real game . u can roleplay on every other faction too ... so pls dont impletend factionless support , force players to choose new faction after they resigned .
from what i see factionless was never meant to be there and if u impletend full support it will just be another one faction to choose from ... plus see all that drama , noone really knows who belong to whom ... dont come with its different experience , u can get pve also if you are in a faction plus u can even live from what u looted , just make your own rules but really i dont see any point to be factionless . not on this server atleast .
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TL:DR I'm not getting into a debate with you. You have a seriously deluded view of the past 6 months. 100% interactions with rats last couple of weeks has been being attacked by them or they have been on the side of Lawyers/Family. Vtec has nothing to attone for, neither do we need your so-called forgiveness. We have won battles, we have lost battles - but either which way, you all, always ally against us and it has made us very bitter towards every other faction. Those of us that were against swarm, now openly supprt it. You have made us this way and cry when we bring numbers as we cannot possibly guess your numbers, both in cross faction alliances and now becasue rats arent counted on timer. You create the swarm, you deal with it.
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maybe delte factionless , i cant even kill lone looters anymore because no timer is popping up ... game is getting really boring after all those people switched to factionless and doesnt do anything in ZC ... moreover i see factionless alts in factions so hat they can get stuff but they never help with zc , i mean its okey ichecked sewerrats projects played some hours and it was boring at hell , nuthin u gain from it beside not taking part in the real game . u can roleplay on every other faction too ... so pls dont impletend factionless support , force players to choose new faction after they resigned .
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You need to remember in what order things happened.
You have swarmed factions from 4-6 months (maybe exagerating on the six).
Family & BBoys allied when they were outnumbered by both lawyers/Vtec.
The other factions only started to make short-term alliance specifically to counter the blue swarm, many many months after you started swarming.
We didn't cause the swarm, we reacted to it, A LOT of weeks of constantly telling you to stop swarming.
And i emphasis on short-term alliance. We don't want to make any permanent alliance and are willing to split up every time the numbers are balanced. To be faire, most of us WANT to split up, as we prefer three/four balanced groups than everyone having to ally to counter a big groups. Battles with only two sides are much less interesting.
Also, you don't want to redeem yourself, fine. But i need to emphasis a few things.
- You are not stuck in a loop. IF you want to change, tell us and we'll do what we can to support it.
- As long as you stay proud of all the craps you do to break the game, you have no right to tell others what to do, especially asking for the removal of a project that try to be innovative. You are the last person in the AOP community that should ask it.
- You don't want to support the sewer rats ? Ignore them. You want to consider them as enemy, and shoot them ? Don't complain about it, if they shoot back. The sewer rats don't need your approval to keep existing and don't want to consider you as enemy. You shoot them, they will shoot back. You help them, they will help you back. Don't complain about our responses to YOUR behavior.
(beside that, most sewer rats don't go on ZC, no matter the sides involved. Even if you hunt them, they won't come to fight you in ZC)
Courrier >
This might not apply to all of us, but for a good half of us, we got bored of doing the same stuff in AOP for months. The Factionless experiment was a way for us to try out new things without leaving entirelly.
If it wasn't for the factionless, we wouldn't even be on the server anymore.
Sometimes, we play factions after a few hours of factionless because we get poked by fellow faction members, but if we weren't on factionless, we wouldn't even be there to be poked.
So factionless don't remove people from the pool of faction people. It remove people from the void.
Beside that, we don't owe you to be on ZC. It is up to everyone to decide if they want to play ZC, scavenge, PVE, or write poems on faction chat. You won't force them to do what you want to do. The best thing you can ask them is to be fair with you. But, as you can see, it doesn't work with everyone.
Although, i would agree with you about not making new features to help factionless (except factionless chat and wild workbenches). The whole point of factionless is try to play around the constraints it bring. If you remove the constraints, there is no point playing factionless.
Although, i am not alone there. If others want features, i won't blame them.
Beside that, are you actually complaining about not be able to kill loners because of the lack of the timer ? The timer being activated by loner scavenging is a flaw in ZC design that will probably corrected some day, it is not a features meant to pinpoint low level target to death squads idling in their HQ. Beside that, there are other ways of not activating timer that don't involve factionless.
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spawn points for the factionless in the sugarman prison
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You need to remember in what order things happened.
You have swarmed factions from 4-6 months (maybe exagerating on the six).
Family & BBoys allied when they were outnumbered by both lawyers/Vtec.
The other factions only started to make short-term alliance specifically to counter the blue swarm, many many months after you started swarming.
We didn't cause the swarm, we reacted to it, A LOT of weeks of constantly telling you to stop swarming.
And i emphasis on short-term alliance. We don't want to make any permanent alliance and are willing to split up every time the numbers are balanced. To be faire, most of us WANT to split up, as we prefer three/four balanced groups than everyone having to ally to counter a big groups. Battles with only two sides are much less interesting.
Also, you don't want to redeem yourself, fine. But i need to emphasis a few things.
- You are not stuck in a loop. IF you want to change, tell us and we'll do what we can to support it.
- As long as you stay proud of all the craps you do to break the game, you have no right to tell others what to do, especially asking for the removal of a project that try to be innovative. You are the last person in the AOP community that should ask it.
- You don't want to support the sewer rats ? Ignore them. You want to consider them as enemy, and shoot them ? Don't complain about it, if they shoot back. The sewer rats don't need your approval to keep existing and don't want to consider you as enemy. You shoot them, they will shoot back. You help them, they will help you back. Don't complain about our responses to YOUR behavior.
(beside that, most sewer rats don't go on ZC, no matter the sides involved. Even if you hunt them, they won't come to fight you in ZC)
Courrier >
This might not apply to all of us, but for a good half of us, we got bored of doing the same stuff in AOP for months. The Factionless experiment was a way for us to try out new things without leaving entirelly.
If it wasn't for the factionless, we wouldn't even be on the server anymore.
Sometimes, we play factions after a few hours of factionless because we get poked by fellow faction members, but if we weren't on factionless, we wouldn't even be there to be poked.
So factionless don't remove people from the pool of faction people. It remove people from the void.
Beside that, we don't owe you to be on ZC. It is up to everyone to decide if they want to play ZC, scavenge, PVE, or write poems on faction chat. You won't force them to do what you want to do. The best thing you can ask them is to be fair with you. But, as you can see, it doesn't work with everyone.
Although, i would agree with you about not making new features to help factionless (except factionless chat and wild workbenches). The whole point of factionless is try to play around the constraints it bring. If you remove the constraints, there is no point playing factionless.
Although, i am not alone there. If others want features, i won't blame them.
Beside that, are you actually complaining about not be able to kill loners because of the lack of the timer ? The timer being activated by loner scavenging is a flaw in ZC design that will probably corrected some day, it is not a features meant to pinpoint low level target to death squads idling in their HQ. Beside that, there are other ways of not activating timer that don't involve factionless.
You read what you want to read and you discard what you want to discard. It is a complete waste of time time talking to you.
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I am also tired of arguing with you.
Just stop lecturing others when they do projects that have nothing to do with you or when they reacts to your actions.
You seem to have a lot to do before earning the right to complain about others.
I hope you will manage.
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I am also tired of arguing with you.
Just stop lecturing others when they do projects that have nothing to do with you or when they reacts to your actions.
You seem to have a lot to do before earning the right to complain about others.
I hope you will manage.
Get off your high horse and get real.
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What does that expression means ?
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TL:DR I'm not getting into a debate with you. You have a seriously deluded view of the past 6 months. 100% interactions with rats last couple of weeks has been being attacked by them or they have been on the side of Lawyers/Family. Vtec has nothing to attone for, neither do we need your so-called forgiveness. We have won battles, we have lost battles - but either which way, you all, always ally against us and it has made us very bitter towards every other faction. Those of us that were against swarm, now openly supprt it. You have made us this way and cry when we bring numbers as we cannot possibly guess your numbers, both in cross faction alliances and now becasue rats arent counted on timer. You create the swarm, you deal with it.
damn, stop it, I don't have enough space in my underline.
AFAIN factionless gameplay will soon get some development and benefits. I'm not talking about your as a factionless, I'm talking about the future factionless v-tec who will be exploiting it.
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What does that expression means ?
It means stop preaching on the forums, when you are in absolutely no position to change anything, as you have no standing in any faction nor amongst the rats.
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What does that expression means ?
It means stop preaching on the forums, when you are in absolutely no position to change anything, as you have no standing in any faction nor amongst the rats.
Well :
- You are in position to change many things amongs the V-TEC, and you did nothing in months. In the best case scenario, you need someone to tell you about it for you to change. In the worst case scenario, at least i tried. Many have just gave up on you.
- Otherwise if by standing you mean playing, i played a big part of lawyers, currently do a lot in factionless, (you would know if you WERE a sewer rat) and have characters in other factions as well. And even if i was just a pacifist sneaker that just witnessed event, it wouldn't change anything about the points mentioned.
Anyway, i don't see what i could add.
The choice about what to do next is entirelly yours.
Just stop complaining about peacefull rats, after all the poor choices you made.
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pretentious ^^ at least caboose knows that he's an asshole
admit it
I am an asshole too =)
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What does that expression means ?
It means stop preaching on the forums, when you are in absolutely no position to change anything, as you have no standing in any faction nor amongst the rats.
Well :
- You are in position to change many things amongs the V-TEC, and you did nothing in months. In the best case scenario, you need someone to tell you about it for you to change. In the worst case scenario, at least i have the merit to try. Many have just gave up on you.
- Otherwise if by standing you mean playing, i played a big part of lawyers, currently do a lot in factionless, (you would know if you WERE a sewer rat) and have characters in other factions as well. And even if i was just a pacifist sneaker that just witnessed event, it wouldn't change anything about the points mentioned.
Anyway, i don't see what i could add.
The choice about what to do next is entirelly yours.
Just stop complaining about peacefull rats, after all the poor choices you made.
Now we are onto a whole new arguement.
I fudamentally disagree with people being allowed to play mutiple faction, I do not even possess a character in another faction, nor do I know what the other faction bases look like, nor do I wish to know. I chose my side and I stick with it regardless of defeat or faction size. I certainly would not want to play the absolutely pointless Rats.
Every Rat has alts in factions where they just trade gear from faction bases - as Courier said. You make it out to be a more intense game experience, but gear comes from faction shops and everyone knows it - so why are you pretending?
I do not feel the need to expain myself to you. You make yourself out to be some sort of know-it-all. Follow your lead and all will be right in the world - you know nothing of what we have tried to do in Vtec, the time and organising some of us put into it.
You realise this is a game about war and fighting for resourses/control of areas and you wanna play fucking farmville in the core with your 'peaceful' rats? Again: GET FUCKING REAL.
naossano, we'll do what we always have done - win some fights and lose some fights. But stop making Vtec out to be worse than any other faction. Jesus you're a preachy mother fucker.
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pretentious ^^ at least caboose knows that he's an asshole
admit it
I am an asshole too =)
amen
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You are both retards not assholes. Maybe one day you will get promoted but that day isn't today.
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But stop making Vtec out to be worse than any other faction. Jesus you're a preachy mother fucker.
I am not MAKING VTec worse than what they are, i am explaining what make me and other think it is, and i am yet to be proved otherwise. All what is said is about things that actually happened, not only once, but numerous times. I never said, for instance, that used GM/dev to give you gear, or that you used fast-relog, to come back in battle right after you got defeated. I never invented anything. If you don't want people to complain about your actions, don't make them.
About factionless, you can ignore them or attack them, but stop blaming them for existing. That you don't care if they are peacefull is one thing, that you want them removed is another. I am mostly blaming for the latter. For the former, we still have the option to shoot back.
About sewers rats cheating by going to stores, i am not there to watch every single one of them, but the founders of the sewer rats squad and the majority of our members aren't cheaters. Most of us created new characters to play sewer rats, and never set up foots in any HQ, except for awareness. No trading with HQ npc, no storage, no assignements, no XP/caps for ZC/CTF. The whole points of sewer rats is to adapt to new CONSTRAINTS. If we avoid those constraints, we might as well play faction characters. Those have no constraints and it is much much more easier. It is not my fault if you aren't able to understand it. But if you can't understand it, it doesn't mean that you have to prevent others from doing it. You have to accept that other people can have fun in the game.
PS: People can be both asshole and retards. But if it is true, then things are likely to stay the same. I think i will stop trying and will be merciless too. I wish there was someone else willing to keep going.
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I am reading a lot of hot air. Let me break it down.
1. Any player can do what whatever they want in the game.
2. It is no one's responsibility to sort out factio. Numbers a part from the developers. On the opening map where you choose your factions, move v techs to the bottom of the map instead of the first one new players come in to contact. A small change my make a difference.
3. Factionless are fine, if people want to do it, let them.
4. Caboose is not responsible for V Tech. When I was in V Tech I left after a while because I wanted a challenge. If other players do not want a challenge, let them remain in the swarm.
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You are both retards not assholes. Maybe one day you will get promoted but that day isn't today.
Sorry, who are you?
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You are both retards not assholes. Maybe one day you will get promoted but that day isn't today.
Sorry, who are you?
Thanks for proving me right.
Now its twats turn to confirm it.
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I am reading a lot of hot air. Let me break it down.
1. Any player can do what whatever they want in the game.
2. It is no one's responsibility to sort out factio. Numbers a part from the developers. On the opening map where you choose your factions, move v techs to the bottom of the map instead of the first one new players come in to contact. A small change my make a difference.
3. Factionless are fine, if people want to do it, let them.
4. Caboose is not responsible for V Tech. When I was in V Tech I left after a while because I wanted a challenge. If other players do not want a challenge, let them remain in the swarm.
Another preachy Lawyer. You make it out that people only stay with Vtec becoz they want an easy ride. As someone who used to play Vtec, you know more than anyone, that this is simply untrue - if it were, we would win 100% of battles and we certainly do not.
I have no problem with people doing whatever the hell they like in the game. But I do not like it when people call Black, White and promote complete untruths for their own purposes.
Fact: Rats have attacked Vtec alongside Lawyer/Family since this whole fad started.
Fact: If everyone continues to ally against Vtec, then the leaders of Vtec will fully promote swarm and you'll never see us coming.
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You are both retards not assholes. Maybe one day you will get promoted but that day isn't today.
Sorry, who are you?
Thanks for proving me right.
Now its twats turn to confirm it.
Wow some ego, whoever you are.
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I am reading a lot of hot air. Let me break it down.
1. Any player can do what whatever they want in the game.
2. It is no one's responsibility to sort out factio. Numbers a part from the developers. On the opening map where you choose your factions, move v techs to the bottom of the map instead of the first one new players come in to contact. A small change my make a difference.
3. Factionless are fine, if people want to do it, let them.
4. Caboose is not responsible for V Tech. When I was in V Tech I left after a while because I wanted a challenge. If other players do not want a challenge, let them remain in the swarm.
Another preachy Lawyer. You make it out that people only stay with Vtec becoz they want an easy ride. As someone who used to play Vtec, you know more than anyone, that this is simply untrue - if it were, we would win 100% of battles and we certainly do not.
I have no problem with people doing whatever the hell they like in the game. But I do not like it when people call Black, White and promote complete untruths for their own purposes.
Fact: Rats have attacked Vtec alongside Lawyer/Family since this whole fad started.
Fact: If everyone continues to ally against Vtec, then the leaders of Vtec will fully promote swarm and you'll never see us coming.
Nah. Just a human being. Lol.
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I was there with another player for like 20-30 minutes shouting in the zone.
Dunno if i'll retry tomorow.
Haha, sorry Nassano, I got called into work the last few days so I was never able to fulfill my promise. Next time it happens, I'll make sure I can be there before posting a time. I'm gonna host it again sometime this weekend or tomorrow (friday for me). Anyone who is interested, send a message to me and I'll fill you in on the dtails of the next trade meet up. That way I'll have actual personal correspondence with you and noone will end up shouting in a zone hahaha.
EDIT: And holy fucking shit, the fucking shitstorm that has been posted in here. After reading it all intently, it seems to me that a lot of people don't think this is a game, where you're supposed to have fun. All of you people bitching about factionless are too caught up in doing the same shit over and over and over again, which might be fun to you, but it isn't to me. The tone I get from your posts is that Fallout is a real life military campaign and anyone who disagrees is not worth listening to. I don't really care waht your personal opinion of the Rats is, I don't think any of them do either. Everyone doing it, that I've encountered, has been having a lot of fun. This is a large change for me, because up until this I was playing ZC with a dead faction with no communication. I don't want to join another faction just to feel like I'm not playing in a ghost town. There are 2 dead factions, and the only other option (if you're in them) besides banging your head against a wall and not joining another faction (which you all seem to advocate, but then again your factions have people) is going factionless.
This post by Twat pretty much explains why I think playing in a faction is pointless (especially an inactive one)
Zone capping is trivial anyway. Heck, losing in this game is pretty trivial at the moment. Try to leave pride at the door at least until we can siege each other and the game has balance
On the hostility between factionless and vtecs, Caboose, you personally called us scum to be eradicated when the idea was being tossed around. I haven't killed every single Vtec I've ever seen, but when they're in a group armed to the teeth there really is no diplomacy. The Lawyers, on the other hand, supported the idea, were extremely friendly to us, even in groups. Not to mention most factionless are former family/BBs. Is it really a surprise that factionless is ganging up on Vtec?
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I am reading a lot of hot air. Let me break it down.
1. Any player can do what whatever they want in the game.
2. It is no one's responsibility to sort out factio. Numbers a part from the developers. On the opening map where you choose your factions, move v techs to the bottom of the map instead of the first one new players come in to contact. A small change my make a difference.
3. Factionless are fine, if people want to do it, let them.
4. Caboose is not responsible for V Tech. When I was in V Tech I left after a while because I wanted a challenge. If other players do not want a challenge, let them remain in the swarm.
I joined vtec because it was the first place to sign up and I wanted to get into the game.
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Caboose >
You know that no one can win 100% of the time. When the swarm is at its peak, it is still pretty close to it.
"Fact: Rats have attacked Vtec alongside Lawyer/Family since this whole fad started."
Some rats attacked VTEC, not THE rats. As part of this group, i know that we are around 10 at our peak. Yet, only 2-3 rats attacked you. (and always the same guys. It is not hard for you to remember their name) On the other hand, every V-TEC we've seen attacked us. If you want all the rats to attack you, the odds would be quite different. Beside that, no rats ever asked that the V-TEC would be entirelly removed. On the other hand, you asked for our removal.
"Fact: If everyone continues to ally against Vtec, then the leaders of Vtec will fully promote swarm and you'll never see us coming."
Do i have to remind you that factions started to team up months AFTER you kept swarming them (which they told you numerous times) ? Do i have to remind this every time i post ?
Marxman >
Which day it is for you today ?
We have to be sure on that before gathering next time.
PS: I misread your post. Tomorow is friday for both of us.
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I was there with another player for like 20-30 minutes shouting in the zone.
Dunno if i'll retry tomorow.
Haha, sorry Nassano, I got called into work the last few days so I was never able to fulfill my promise. Next time it happens, I'll make sure I can be there before posting a time. I'm gonna host it again sometime this weekend or tomorrow (friday for me). Anyone who is interested, send a message to me and I'll fill you in on the dtails of the next trade meet up. That way I'll have actual personal correspondence with you and noone will end up shouting in a zone hahaha.
EDIT: And holy fucking shit, the fucking shitstorm that has been posted in here. After reading it all intently, it seems to me that a lot of people don't think this is a game, where you're supposed to have fun. All of you people bitching about factionless are too caught up in doing the same shit over and over and over again, which might be fun to you, but it isn't to me. The tone I get from your posts is that Fallout is a real life military campaign and anyone who disagrees is not worth listening to. I don't really care waht your personal opinion of the Rats is, I don't think any of them do either. Everyone doing it, that I've encountered, has been having a lot of fun. This is a large change for me, because up until this I was playing ZC with a dead faction with no communication. I don't want to join another faction just to feel like I'm not playing in a ghost town. There are 2 dead factions, and the only other option (if you're in them) besides banging your head against a wall and not joining another faction (which you all seem to advocate, but then again your factions have people) is going factionless.
This post by Twat pretty much explains why I think playing in a faction is pointless (especially an inactive one)
Zone capping is trivial anyway. Heck, losing in this game is pretty trivial at the moment. Try to leave pride at the door at least until we can siege each other and the game has balance
On the hostility between factionless and vtecs, Caboose, you personally called us scum to be eradicated when the idea was being tossed around. I haven't killed every single Vtec I've ever seen, but when they're in a group armed to the teeth there really is no diplomacy. The Lawyers, on the other hand, supported the idea, were extremely friendly to us, even in groups. Not to mention most factionless are former family/BBs. Is it really a surprise that factionless is ganging up on Vtec?
Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them.
I did not ask for your life story, but it seems whoever is 'nice' and 'helpful' to the Rats will get their help - how quaint.
We're going round and round in circles here. If you ally -> we will swarm -> if we swarm -> you will ally. There is no end.
This is the last thing I will say on the subject; If there is a continued alliance, all vs. vtec - we will swarm. If we cannot get same numbers as alliance or swarm, we will not pvp.
If there is no pvp you Rats can Farmville all you like in core - I even suggest Cirn adds new features so Rats can decorate their houses however they like - maybe even for a small charge re: Habbo Hotel. Maybe even let you guys marry eachother, gosh wouldn't that be lovely?
Naossano - you have to remind me when you are completely incorrect.
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You WILL swarm ? You mean, like you already did since day one ?
When we don't ally you swarm us, and when we do, you are treatening us to keep swarming ?
Once again, to make that treat believable, you have to NOT swarm when we don't team up.
Beside that, it is much easier to reduce a swarm when you are part of it (by moving your platoon to another faction) than increasing it my adding new members out of nowhere.
If you actually have the power to increase the swarm, i don't see why you cannot reduce it.
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You WILL swarm ? You mean, like you already did since day one ?
When we don't ally you swarm us, and when we do, you are treatening us to keep swarming ?
Once again, to make that treat believable, you have to NOT swarm when we don't team up.
Since day one? Listen to this cookie.
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
come 1 vs 1 , or bring friends to otehr factions then tecs ... becoz family lawyers , bb pretty much dead atm
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
come 1 vs 1 , or bring friends to otehr factions then tecs ... becoz family lawyers , bb pretty much dead atm
Hmm 1v1 - don't really feel like grenade spam thank you very much :p or waiting 30mins as I stand max range for you to get bored enough to rush me.
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
come 1 vs 1 , or bring friends to otehr factions then tecs ... becoz family lawyers , bb pretty much dead atm
PvP will return on Saturday when I am back from holiday.
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
come 1 vs 1 , or bring friends to otehr factions then tecs ... becoz family lawyers , bb pretty much dead atm
PvP will return on Saturday when I am back from holiday.
against factionless yeah because every othe rpeson i know doesnt play atm :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
come 1 vs 1 , or bring friends to otehr factions then tecs ... becoz family lawyers , bb pretty much dead atm
PvP will return on Saturday when I am back from holiday.
against factionless yeah because every othe rpeson i know doesnt play atm :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Plenty of lawyers ready for Saturday, I am sure.
C'Mon. It was only a week ago when there were 5 to 7 lawyers ready. Tis fiiine.
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I wish people would shut the fuck up about whether which factions are good or not. We have a pm system for this for crying out loud
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stop freeposting now and marry each other in 2 years at church in fonline aop universe ...
Come pvp then so I'm not so bored that I have to post in this stupid thread.
come 1 vs 1 , or bring friends to otehr factions then tecs ... becoz family lawyers , bb pretty much dead atm
PvP will return on Saturday when I am back from holiday.
against factionless yeah because every othe rpeson i know doesnt play atm :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Plenty of lawyers ready for Saturday, I am sure.
C'Mon. It was only a week ago when there were 5 to 7 lawyers ready. Tis fiiine.
well a week can change many things , new order is out atm ... fam is out atm too , so i dunno maybe 4 max players u get :D and those 4 will get quitrage becoz of swarm :D thats how i see it atm ^^ becoz 8 twats can even kill 4 people :D
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Hellmoi can't do much since he was nerfed, nevermind fight swarm. Also Lawyers are nothing without New Order.
Instead of crying about it, why don't you open a recruitment thread for people that might want to change faction. I mean there's only so much I can do in trying to persuade people into leaving vtec.
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Me, Vulture, Larve, Lalss and Hellmoi have taken on many a swarm and won. It's no problem. Wish is fab, Bill can sod off, we don't need him. Looking forward to Saturday :D
I think i helped. But we didn't won that often before VVish came back.
Those victories were satisfying although.
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Me, Vulture, Larve, Lalss and Hellmoi have taken on many a swarm and won. It's no problem. Wish is fab, Bill can sod off, we don't need him. Looking forward to Saturday :D
I think i helped. But we didn't won that often before VVish came back.
Those victories were satisfying although.
See, not even your own faction count you amongst them.
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Hellmoi can't do much since he was nerfed, nevermind fight swarm. Also Lawyers are nothing without New Order.
Instead of crying about it, why don't you open a recruitment thread for people that might want to change faction. I mean there's only so much I can do in trying to persuade people into leaving vtec.
K
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Me, Vulture, Larve, Lalss and Hellmoi have taken on many a swarm and won. It's no problem. Wish is fab, Bill can sod off, we don't need him. Looking forward to Saturday :D
I think i helped. But we didn't won that often before VVish came back.
Those victories were satisfying although.
No offence. You were in the mix. But you don't play that much.
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So i think this thread should be renamed to "The Core Pissing Contest"
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Me, Vulture, Larve, Lalss and Hellmoi have taken on many a swarm and won. It's no problem. Wish is fab, Bill can sod off, we don't need him. Looking forward to Saturday :D
I think i helped. But we didn't won that often before VVish came back.
Those victories were satisfying although.
See, not even your own faction count you amongst them.
No offence Caboose. But you are not held in high regard by anyone. Shouting for a defib in every fight does not make you "someone"= please check all PvP vids for reference.
I couldn't care what regard I'm held in. Fact still remains that Lawyers are nothing without New Order. Also you're a blatant liar to boot, not to be trusted.
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I will keep it spoiler free, out of respect, but i find quite odd to see you two arguing like that.
Anyway, you pretty much know that lawyers can still be effective, even if much much weaker, without their champions.
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I will keep it spoiler free, out of respect, but i find quite odd to see you two arguing like that.
Anyway, you pretty much know that lawyers can still be effective, even if much much weaker, without their champions.
#ladzbantz :D
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Unfortunately, lawyers are weak without VVish's crew. Hellmai successfully used patrols couple of times and made couple of backstabs, besides those the only type of wins lawyers had were close combat camping when enemy is broken by boredom and ready to die just to finish the game and do something useful in life instead. Well known cases of literally toilet camping for 20 minutes while v-tec was fighting family.
> But you are not held in high regard by anyone.
Being honest, I have to say I'd prefer Caboose over you in my team if I choose by skill / ability to play in team (:
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You forgot backstabb.
Although, as someone said, even with 12 agains't 4, you cannot have 100% chances of victory.
Anyway, is it possible to split the message about the trading post, on another thread ?
It would be a shame to have Caboose's denial of the obvious overshadow Marxman wonderfull, innovative and much needed idea.
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You forgot backstabb.
Although, as someone said, even with 12 agains't 4, you cannot have 100% chances of victory.
Anyway, is it possible to split the message about the trading post, on another thread ?
It would be a shame to have Caboose's denial of the obvious overshadow Marxman wonderfull, innovative and much needed idea.
So wonderful, innovative and much needed that he didn't show for the launch party? Haha, Naossano I've said all I need to - I know you get your jollies by writing deluded, long posts on the forum all day, but some of us have a faction to co-ordinate!
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12 twats will get you every time =P
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So wonderful, innovative and much needed that he didn't show for the launch party? Haha, Naossano I've said all I need to - I know you get your jollies by writing deluded, long posts on the forum all day, but some of us have a faction to co-ordinate!
I would have much prefered not having to write those messages. But your guys are really stubborn. (at best)
Anyway, the point remain. the on-topic post should be separated than the rest.
It would be a shame to let this trading project be overshadowed by the many messages about PVP.
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Unfortunately, lawyers are weak without VVish's crew. Hellmai successfully used patrols couple of times and made couple of backstabs, besides those the only type of wins lawyers had were close combat camping when enemy is broken by boredom and ready to die just to finish the game and do something useful in life instead. Well known cases of literally toilet camping for 20 minutes while v-tec was fighting family.
> But you are not held in high regard by anyone.
Being honest, I have to say I'd prefer Caboose over you in my team if I choose by skill / ability to play in team (:
Hey. If it isn't the second member of the V Tec. "Bully Squad"!! Welcome!! :D
And who is the first member? I don't think bullying is funny, I think it's disgusting if you think it's ok to joke about such serious allegations.
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Unfortunately, lawyers are weak without VVish's crew. Hellmai successfully used patrols couple of times and made couple of backstabs, besides those the only type of wins lawyers had were close combat camping when enemy is broken by boredom and ready to die just to finish the game and do something useful in life instead. Well known cases of literally toilet camping for 20 minutes while v-tec was fighting family.
> But you are not held in high regard by anyone.
Being honest, I have to say I'd prefer Caboose over you in my team if I choose by skill / ability to play in team (:
Hey. If it isn't the second member of the V Tec. "Bully Squad"!! Welcome!! :D
And who is the first member? I don't think bullying is funny, I think it's disgusting if you think it's ok to joke about such serious allegations.
Check Olegs post about you. Bye.
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Wow, I was only joking about the thread title.
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I wrote a formula for AoP, the relation between players and drama.
As P decreases, D increases.
Players = P
Drama = D
T = Weeks since last update
M = Moderator Intervention
Z = Number of zones lost to vtec that week
B = Battles lost to vtec that week
D is proportionate to P | D = [P^-1 • T/M] + ZB^2
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Seems like a problem when M = 0.
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yes the drama reaches infinity as players drop to zero =D
+1
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A LOT OF PvP GOING ON TODAY.
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Seems like a problem when M = 0.
Damnit Cirn0 It was too late for a foolproof algorithm
but, if M=0 means it's undefined, haha, that makes some sense doesn't it ?