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Sir Craftkid

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[AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« on: March 10, 2014, 06:11:13 PM »

I would not mind this much if it wasn't ridiculously high. Just went into a F mission to gather some junk from scienced weapons, and suddenly get ran at by 6 tribals...and what happens? I get crit knockdowned so many times, ive lost 60 hp in camk3 before ive managed to pull off a SINGLE shot. This is on a 10 endurance character. Why are NPCs made this way? Is this a new feature? I don't mind that unarmed tribals have the potential to hurt someone in camk3, I'm annoyed that they can rape you with the same builds that were labeled as "nolife faggot troll cunt" in other fonline games. I made a 10st 10lk character to try this, and players simply are not able to receive the same crit chance as these NPCs.
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 06:41:17 PM »

There might be several reasons for such to happen. But as far as I can see, this shouldn't be entirely resulting from their profiles. If they were high level, they inflicted more crits for sure. But were those really crits?

Perhaps their weapons? Also, CAMKIII has the Tin Can perk which extends duration of knockdowns.

Anyway, this shouldn't probably happen. Not the way you describe it. But I can't say more without more information.
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 06:44:12 PM »

It was the amount of knockdowns, not the duration. 10 endurance has as high knockdown resistance as possible, and it was against unarmed tribals in a F rank assignment...around 150 hp or so, shouldn't be high level. I would literally say that each tribal got a knockdown hit on me at least 25% of the time. You don't know how embarrassing of a feeling it is to get your ass handed to you by 6 tribals with their fists, while you have a camk3 and assault rifle. But I simply could not get off the damn floor. Its always been happening before, but it somehow struck me now that there just should not be so many knockdowns.
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2014, 07:04:05 PM »

Just tried myself, didn't have such issue. Perhaps this param is also modified by the assignment itself, but unsure.
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2014, 07:09:52 PM »

10 end and 1 luck, how is that for knockdown resistance? I am having a ridiculously high amount of knockdowns on me :/
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2014, 07:27:16 PM »

Endurance doesn't change your KO resistance, only the duration. However, luck impacts your overall crit resistance. From 5 to 1 luck, you lose 30% crit resistance. That for sure has a huge impact. You should check the changes on derived stats when modifying your SPECIAL on character creation. Dumping a stat to 1 has big consequences.
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2014, 08:07:33 PM »

if 6npcs are attacking you simultaneously, you're bound to get a lot of crits. Npcs use the same SPECIAL as players.

Unless there is a vast difference in gear level, you simply are nto supposed to be able to take on more than 2 mobs on your own.
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Re: [AI] NPC Crit chance...?!
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2014, 08:12:17 AM »

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I'm annoyed that they can rape you with the same builds that were labeled as "nolife faggot troll cunt" in other fonline games.
One of the main goals of the completely reworked character stats is that such min/max optimized builds are not viable in our game. Every stat matters, there is no one best build. There are however some builds that will be very vulnerable in some situations, as a direct result of minmaxing stats. Seems your "faggot troll cunt" build is one of those.

So I agree with John and Shangalar that this is not a bug. Note that endurance doesn't affect your chance to be knocked down. The governing stat for that is Agility. You should then check your "Critical Agility" derived stat to see roughly how likely you are to get knocked down if somebody scores such a crit on you. Also, as Shangalar mentioned, with Luck 1 your critical resistance is at 0%, making you much more likely to be critted in the first place.

Anyway, this thread is old, I just wanted to clarify before I move this to the resolved bugs thread.
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