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Kurwier

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M249 SAW
« on: September 13, 2015, 05:48:06 PM »

reduce the relaod cost from 150 to 100 ; 150 ap relaod cost destroys the usage of this weapon since it already has limited range and huge ammo spending , u cant even spray 10 bursts like with a minigun per 100 ap , rest seems balanced with bullets that hit etc  , just reload cost doesnt make sense ...
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Re: M240 SAW
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2015, 06:00:02 PM »

as an avid m249 user im wondering what the community has to say about this
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Re: M240 SAW
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2015, 06:12:52 PM »

I used to be a big fan as well. ATM i take minigun for same effect. So yes, buff.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2015, 10:15:41 PM »

100 ap with FLA will cause a nice effect.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2015, 11:54:34 PM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2015, 06:54:57 AM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.

Nailed it.

What is rather fun is carrying one in either hand and then asking your team mates to cover you for 5 mins while reloading.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2015, 07:05:01 AM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.

i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...


aaaaay stalgur ...
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2015, 07:26:41 AM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.

i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...

When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2015, 07:29:15 AM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.

i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...

When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.

blyad u dont know how to shoot someone with a milkor when hes 15 hexes away from you , so how do u wanna know how chasing does function ?
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2015, 07:31:34 AM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.

i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...

When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.

blyad u dont know how to shoot someone with a milkor when hes 15 hexes away from you , so how do u wanna know how chasing does function ?

Lol!

I was blinded you fool and you still died.

This is not the place discuss this.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2015, 07:32:13 AM »

It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.

Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.

i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...

When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.

blyad u dont know how to shoot someone with a milkor when hes 15 hexes away from you , so how do u wanna know how chasing does function ?

Lol!

I was blinded you fool and you still died.

This is not the place discuss this.

this is the place to be suuuka , u never used saw so u dont know what u talking about plus we all know your godlike performances with miniguns or avengers ...

only one i really remember who used it frequently was teela and then after some nerfs ive rarely seen one in any combat and when i ask about why i get reloadcost thrown at me as an arument , thats why i brought up this topic in the first place ...

if its balanced why nobody uses it then , if its that great to chase someone ? why i see people chasing enemy with avenger , minigun instead on recent videos ?
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2015, 07:48:41 AM »

SAW's spread and ability for fast crowd control is more than a supplement for reload time, for me it is mostly secondary weapon for smoke shooting and insane crowd-rushes counter. If I want to use LMG as my primary I would better take L86 or BAR.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2015, 07:57:29 AM »

betetr use avenger with no reload cost for crowd controll , bigger spread , less ap , and so on and so on ... every human being with brain choose minigun or avenger over the saw atm which explains probably the non existent of seeing a saw in battles ... so that running , reloadcost argument is invalid ...
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2015, 08:48:14 AM »

Every human being with brain and heavy weapons skill. I lack the latter, so I use SAW. Not to mention no-running penalty. Also I use it and also looted some from lawyers in sunday evening battles, so I suppose you just don't play or don't pay attention to what is used by other players. To tell the truth most people say miniguns a better than most MG's, but for me LMG's are friendlier and more forgiving for control mistakes I do. So for me SAW supplements the need in crowd control weapon. Maybe it should be tweaked, but only carefully, so we don't get some another meta-weapon covering half the map in the spray of bullets.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2015, 12:12:48 PM »

A month ago nobody was using deagle.
Now I hear that deagle is meta.
There were no changes in this time for 14mm and deagle.

Conclusion: people sometimes do not use guns not because they are bad.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2015, 12:16:02 PM »

A month ago nobody was using deagle.
Now I hear that deagle is meta.
There were no changes in this time for 14mm and deagle.

Conclusion: people sometimes do not use guns not because they are bad.

Nailed it.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2015, 12:16:34 PM »

haha a month ago moozambique did worked also with all guns than only with pistols so get your facts right ...
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2015, 05:10:45 AM »

I wouldn't complain about less AP requirement for that weapon.
But wouldn't it be possible to have the AP cost different depending of how many ammo you are reloading ? And the possibility to reload ammos one than one ? (or 10 by 10)

I enjoyed the remington in the early cession, when you could choose between adding a few ammos at a time and have a small loss of AP, or adding all ammos at once and lose all your AP at once. So if you felt that there were too many risk around you, you would slowly reload. If you felt secure enough, you would reload all at once and stand still for a few minutes.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2015, 06:06:03 AM »

Good suggestion.
I agree with it, that reload cost should be reduced to 100.
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Re: M249 SAW
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2015, 06:28:55 AM »

I've looked into the matter and from what I've gathered even 100 is steep:

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