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Community section => Events & Politics => Topic started by: mAdman on September 21, 2014, 06:38:43 AM

Title: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: mAdman on September 21, 2014, 06:38:43 AM
So, the two biggest factions have reached a peace agreement of some sort, displayed earlier in the battle for Global Electronics (which the family still won btw), when they sandwiched us and massacred a good lot of our men, including myself.

Further spying has revealed that there is indeed a truce of some degree between the 2 largest factions in the game.

So does this spell the end of the war? Surely 1500 cant stand up to 3000 (rough numbers) especially while divided.

Apparently the family is "too boring" anyway so who cares i guess :P
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: ravenp999 on September 21, 2014, 06:54:02 AM
so now 60 ppl will camp one building? very hardcore
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Niamak on September 21, 2014, 07:21:40 AM
This game is better than eve online.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: lvhoang on September 21, 2014, 07:25:46 AM
I agree its 1 of the most exciting games ever :D
Ive always dreamed of a Fallout Online like this - and it does look more accomplished than the other servers to me.
Regarding alliances Ive not heard of anything like that. Other factions keep shooting at me on sight :P
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: evilcheesecake on September 21, 2014, 07:52:56 AM
V-tech here. I've not noticed anything of the sort, and have always been shot on sight. Are you sure that it wasn't just a temporary ceasefire?
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Smalltime on September 21, 2014, 10:27:51 AM
So, the two biggest factions have reached a peace agreement of some sort, displayed earlier in the battle for Global Electronics (which the family still won btw), when they sandwiched us and massacred a good lot of our men, including myself.
Don't be ridiculous, there is no alliance, and likely never will be. You were caught in the middle during battle, it happens. We've all been sandwiched by seperate factions at least once (in my experience, many more times than once.)
That's part of the game, with squad based combat. Trapping your enemy between yourself and your mutual enemy is just an easy way to get one enemy out of the picture.

Most of the time though, it's an accident.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Prosector on September 21, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
if you ask me, bb is stronger than both. just look at the map. im not bb however but i find that they way more organized and equipped.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Myakot on September 21, 2014, 11:40:04 AM
Where have you been? o_0 I'll ask my teammates for screenshots, but we have evidence of lawyer\v-tech alliance since like day 2.
Fun thing was when once some BBoy tagging along with us ran over to V-techs and just stood there chatting, they gave him loot and he started shooting us ;D.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: hell on September 21, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
Well there are 3 major groups in lawyers which act independently on each other.
There may be some pacts between certain groups, but alliance is a bit strong word i would say.

Hell, in lawyers some platoons even shoot each other :D. Half of us are dead before we make it to the zc as we shoot ours on the way lol.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Deathproof on September 21, 2014, 11:54:55 AM
@mAdman

I don't think so honestly, but wind runner and his crew are known to use this tactic, wait till two clans kill bunch of each other and than get in to attack whats left in mayhem (but who doesn't use it when small in numbers ;) ). Legit tactic in any case.

But if there is any alliance because they're sort of IRL friends, then its just meh...
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: The Brazilian Slaughter on September 21, 2014, 12:31:01 PM
My shiftydar says that something shifty was going on that day.

I was there with the Global Electronics raiding crew.
If I remember right, we started the capture and terminated the Vtec strays nearby, then a squad came but we mostly pwned them, yet Lawyers mysteriously didn't fight a single vtec there (I never heard any shots), even through there was at least one Vtec in the building we were getting cover.

We were attacked by BBs early on, but I and a few brave patriots repelled their attack and they apparently decided to abort mission because they left just as Lawyers showed up.

There's also the fact we saw zero ZC between Vtecs and Lawyers after a certain period. Could be chalked to night, but Vtecs were almost without territory yet they were coming after us instead of nabbing easy lawyer territory near their turf. They were either spoiling for a fight or something suspicious is going on.

I don't think a faction-wide alliance is going on, but there's def a squad or platoon-sized non-agression pact there.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: PusiteGA on September 21, 2014, 01:13:54 PM
What trouce bethwen v tech and lawyers i am v teck and my worst enemy are lawyers f ashools i hate them
Dead man list
Lawyers>Family>brahims
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: MARXMAN on September 21, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
What trouce bethwen v tech and lawyers i am v teck and my worst enemy are lawyers f ashools i hate them
Dead man list
Lawyers>Family>brahims


Obviously not everyone is friends, but I've noticed this as well.   Vtec hasn't taken Lawyers territory for a while now, and I rarely see them fighting.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Shangalar on September 21, 2014, 02:34:30 PM
From my perspective I'd say the kind of truce you feel to see between Lawyers and V-Tecs is just the result of the superiority of Brahminboys during Zone Control. Brahmins are dominating, and by butchering all their enemies they start being seen as the primary target.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: wojciech on September 21, 2014, 02:51:19 PM
Well Maszrum said You that Rogues will have the strongest team(a lot of members and good teamplay). So You could expect how it will end. So it will end like on other servers:
first big alliance vs second big alliance, while the smallest factions can only do toilet tc/zc.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: mAdman on September 21, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
Its was only really meant half in jest, like a wartime propaganda piece. Maybe i should have posted in the politics section hehe.

As for for the strongest teams, Others and myself in the family are trying hard to get pvp crews together, and many are willing to join etc, but it is true that we seem to be a rowdy mob of small groups and loners. It is a serious challenge to stand up to the might of a large organized clan like in BB or the sheer swarming numbers of vtech.

I think our repeated and failed efforts go a little unnoticed :P we ARE trying, we just aren't often winning.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: wojciech on September 21, 2014, 03:38:29 PM
Its was only really meant half in jest, like a wartime propaganda piece. Maybe i should have posted in the politics section hehe.

As for for the strongest teams, Others and myself in the family are trying hard to get pvp crews together, and many are willing to join etc, but it is true that we seem to be a rowdy mob of small groups and loners. It is a serious challenge to stand up to the might of a large organized clan like in BB or the sheer swarming numbers of vtech.

I think our repeated and failed efforts go a little unnoticed :P we ARE trying, we just aren't often winning.

I tried also, but that server is not friendly for me so I will return in next wipe;]
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Myakot on September 21, 2014, 11:57:14 PM
You've forgotten to add: "after you'll add 1hexing"
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Deathproof on September 22, 2014, 02:11:50 AM
Seems Family got its first fan, vtech Ramon following us and telling our location to the lawyers. Guess he isn't too happy we used his blood to paint our gate the other day  ::)
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: mAdman on September 22, 2014, 03:49:16 AM
Seems Family got its first fan, vtech Ramon following us and telling our location to the lawyers. Guess he isn't too happy we used his blood to paint our gate the other day  ::)

I'm still trying to figure out how he dealt 200 damage with an M21 LoL.

Good thing I put those two 30-06 rounds in his head when I got the chance ;)
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: wojciech on September 22, 2014, 05:21:09 AM
You've forgotten to add: "after you'll add 1hexing"

Wait 1 month and I will be laughing at You and Your ideas when that server will suffer a bit :D
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Myakot on September 22, 2014, 05:26:07 AM
I have never seen someone as ignorant as you.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: John Porno on September 22, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
there was no truce or ceasefire or even any diplomatic talk in the first place between vtec and lawyers, especially not yesterday where I was playing myself.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Myakot on September 22, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
there was no truce or ceasefire or even any diplomatic talk in the first place between vtec and lawyers, especially not yesterday where I was playing myself.
Teamspeak ;).
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: The Brazilian Slaughter on September 22, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
there was no truce or ceasefire or even any diplomatic talk in the first place between vtec and lawyers, especially not yesterday where I was playing myself.

We are allied with Eastasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia. (REDACTED BY MINITRU, BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU)
We are allied with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: John Porno on September 22, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
Teamspeak ;).
what are you trying to say? It's nos ecret I'm playing with c88 which make up a notable part of the vtec force and if we don't hear anything about truce, then there probably isnt one.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: faopcurious on September 22, 2014, 07:04:29 PM
There's no truce, trust me lawyers were fighting Vtec just yesterday, this truce is BS.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: MARXMAN on September 22, 2014, 09:57:39 PM
There's no truce, trust me lawyers were fighting Vtec just yesterday, this truce is BS.


can add more confirmation.   

Lawyers and Vtecs were AT IT last night.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Stem Sunders on September 22, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
I'm just gonna leave this here

Everyone is talking about "how this faction has agreements with that faction", I offer a shred of proof it does happen.

(EDIT) IN WHAT EVER CAPACITY I NEVER SAID A FULL ALLIANCE K?)

Against my family no less...The moment that family timer started they were talking about contacting the bbs and forming an assault.

I was researching the bases for a project at the time but I definitely found it interesting.

I also forgot about it until I read through this thread.

Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Klot on September 23, 2014, 12:24:04 AM
I'm loosing my temper here.

So much condensed utter nonsense, it hurts my brain.
Quote
Everyone is talking about how this faction has agreements with that faction
Wrong. One delusional person who likes to click containers without beeing clicked onto himself started this by missjudging tactical situation.
Nothing to be seen here, move on.
 - And for the love of christ close this thread.
 
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Stem Sunders on September 23, 2014, 12:51:22 AM
I'm loosing my temper here.

So much condensed utter nonsense, it hurts my brain.
Quote
Everyone is talking about how this faction has agreements with that faction
Wrong. One delusional person who likes to click containers without beeing clicked onto himself started this by missjudging tactical situation.
Nothing to be seen here, move on.
 - And for the love of christ close this thread.

Wrong, others have mentioned it too it is quite the hot topic and it clearly sparks discussion I guess thats why it was posted here....In general discussion, also I offered a shred of proof, rather than being "delusional". (Please see screencap)

I have a better idea, mute the thread. Move on you, don't have to see it.

And for the love of christ delete your comment.

See, we can all be boorish and impolite but I ask does it get us anywhere?
This guy had a thought that he wanted to share with us and because you don't like it we must all cease?  ???

C'mon bro  :P
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Smalltime on September 23, 2014, 02:34:29 AM
Wrong, others have mentioned it too it is quite the hot topic and it clearly sparks discussion I guess thats why it was posted here....In general discussion, also I offered a shred of proof, rather than being "delusional". (Please see screencap)
Your screencap is of some guy in the lawyers talking about knowing people in BBs, which are the natural enemy of v-tech, thus invalidating the main premise of this thread.
There are far too many individuals and platoons per faction for any one faction to ever be at peace with another faction. The FOnline community has been recycling many of the same players between groups for many, many years. Of COURSE there is some group crossover.

Irrational paranoia.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Stem Sunders on September 23, 2014, 04:07:57 AM
Wrong, others have mentioned it too it is quite the hot topic and it clearly sparks discussion I guess thats why it was posted here....In general discussion, also I offered a shred of proof, rather than being "delusional". (Please see screencap)
Your screencap is of some guy in the lawyers talking about knowing people in BBs, which are the natural enemy of v-tech, thus invalidating the main premise of this thread.
There are far too many individuals and platoons per faction for any one faction to ever be at peace with another faction. The FOnline community has been recycling many of the same players between groups for many, many years. Of COURSE there is some group crossover.

Irrational paranoia.

I dont think I was trying to prove the thread correct. I was just showing that YES some people in one faction are willing to and ARE/HAVE worked/communicated with other factions in some capacity whether that be for ZC or something else.
(Due to timer popping up just before I snapped this screen I assumed it to be the former)

But who's to say there isn't communication between some members of vtec and lawyers too as the thread suggests.

Like you said there alot of players/platoons/squads. I doubt you'd know the inner workings of them all.

I never said anything about factions "being at peace" (please don't put words in my mouth), and the fact that you know that there is of course crossover due to the same player base being recycled further proves me correct that some players HAVE/WILL work together.

Oh, and once again its a SCRAP a SHRED of evidence that there is communication between factions during ZC. I never said it was indisputable but it is a sliver of proof that some communication takes place, Also I was there watching the fac chat for a while, to me it was clear that there was SOME communication going on between these particular lawyers and some BBs for whatever reason, all the while ZC was going on. I sound I found it "interesting"
Could be a coincidence for all I know.

For the most part I agree with you, there is no major alliance between factions from what I can tell, nor is there likely to be any time soon...Probably, Maybe.

What's to be paranoid about? I find the whole economy and social structure of the game extremely interesting and hope it develops in ways we can't predict.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: John Porno on September 23, 2014, 06:21:13 AM
Unless you get the major platoons on board, everything a couple of "randoms" discuss about anything has no validity whatsoever. In the far future, we plan to implement mechanics to have the big platoons decide the course of their faction, as even back on 2238 I always thought the main factions should decide what's happening and not some leather armor shotgun guys hunting popamoles south of junktown.

Basically, if ARWH and C88 are denying any rumours about alliances, then it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Simms on September 23, 2014, 06:50:51 AM
Considering that out of 1700 plus characters on vtec side, probably no more than 100-150 characters belong to the faction players ever participating in ZC, matters come more and more complicated.

I shall not be wondering is some players are indeed friendly to other factions and probably are taking part in TK indirectly. With such an unorganized player presence you can expect anything.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Stem Sunders on September 23, 2014, 07:44:50 AM
Unless you get the major platoons on board, everything a couple of "randoms" discuss about anything has no validity whatsoever. In the far future, we plan to implement mechanics to have the big platoons decide the course of their faction, as even back on 2238 I always thought the main factions should decide what's happening and not some leather armor shotgun guys hunting popamoles south of junktown.

Basically, if ARWH and C88 are denying any rumours about alliances, then it really doesn't matter.

I look forward to seeing that implemented, I sadly never played the other games you mentioned.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Klot on September 23, 2014, 12:56:31 PM
Sunders, judging on your postcount you have an opinion on everything.
See i don't. But on the contrary i know a litle bit.
This thread: bullshit.
You trying to improve my behaviour: wasted time.

Reading this thread is like watching the TV news, while having been witness to the event. Biiiig fucking gap.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: mAdman on September 23, 2014, 02:19:54 PM
I'm loosing my temper here.

So much condensed utter nonsense, it hurts my brain.
Quote
Everyone is talking about how this faction has agreements with that faction
Wrong. One delusional person who likes to click containers without beeing clicked onto himself started this by missjudging tactical situation.
Nothing to be seen here, move on.
 - And for the love of christ close this thread.

Hail mein Fuhrer!

I don't know what you mean by being a container getting clicked on, but this wasn't actually my viewing of the events, although I was there I didn't personally see it, I was told by 2 different family members that blues weren't shooting at silvers even though they clearly had the opportunity. The spy was a separate instance, granted they may all have been lies and slander, but not worth a discussion in your books? No? Then I guess it must be burned, along with all other discourse outside of the curriculum! Immediately! :P
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Stem Sunders on September 23, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
Sunders, judging on your postcount you have an opinion on everything.
See i don't. But on the contrary i know a litle bit.
This thread: bullshit.
You trying to improve my behaviour: wasted time.

Reading this thread is like watching the TV news, while having been witness to the event. Biiiig fucking gap.

Yeah, I'm pretty opinionated. I try to get it across in as civil a manner as possible...Don't like it? Dont read it, Just like I don't watch the news.

You came back here once again, not to add to the conversation but to bash the amount of posts I make.

like I said before, you do know you can mute me right? You want me to stop making posts because you think i'm too opinionated?

If you respond here in thread you will be muted by myself, I'm sure people would like to read something at least related to the topic, and not the dribble that this back and forth conversation would surely produce.

I can argue till the brahmin come home but we wouldn't want those post counts getting too high would we? Might show we have an opinion on the game we're pumping your time into.

You can PM me if you wish but I don't see the point of carrying this conversation on further, when clearly you can't be swayed into thinking from a point of view other that your own. (which your avatar fits perfectly btw)


Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: PyrO on September 24, 2014, 05:43:04 AM
Ah V-Tec gate the daily routine, and such Alliance :). Oh also just 2 zones taken by Lawyers when this screenshot was made.
Maybe later they will meet up with Family and Brahmin to camp together there or they just switch I don't know, but this is daily anyway.

Edit: These are just the visible ones when you peek into the zone but there are more.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: maszrum on September 24, 2014, 06:03:40 AM
There is only few players in FOnline who can organize people for PvP and I can count them on the fingers of one hand.. most of them are not even playing AOP.

Family have none
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Butthead on September 24, 2014, 06:10:11 AM
organizations suck. random battles are better i though this server will be full of random battles but it seems its going to organized small clans mode like on other servers or something. its suck
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: maszrum on September 24, 2014, 09:09:41 AM
Once you catch big fish you wont get catch small ones.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Kane on September 24, 2014, 09:25:05 AM
Some gangs don't really like swarm wars, and prefer guerilla fights.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: maszrum on September 24, 2014, 09:32:01 AM
80% instad fight just running away <yawns> small fights get really boring - cheasing some guys around the map and looting shity stuff :/
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Kane on September 24, 2014, 09:45:54 AM
Well that's how people like to play, not everyone wants to play in swarm :P.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: maszrum on September 24, 2014, 10:13:03 AM
I dont like either honeslty, same as guys from The Rogues who left AOP already. However its purpose of this server even if its unintended :l
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: wojciech on September 24, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
I dont like either honeslty, same as guys from The Rogues who left AOP already. However its purpose of this server even if its unintended :l

LOL you like fight 20 vs 20 its swarm fight, so even I dont know if you enjoy swarm game or no.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: maszrum on September 24, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
I even prefere 20vs20 becouse its more skilled. Yes skilled in 5-8 vs 5-8 invidual skills matter, in 20vs20 generaly team stratety and expirience winning.

Problem here is that we are not one team, we have random people in our ranks with whom we dont necessarily want to play. They are mostly newcomers and dont know that i have enough enery and willingness to teach them basics.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: wojciech on September 24, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
If we want more people on servers we need to teach them. 20 vs 20 (if you got Your 20 on ts and fighting against 8-10 and 10 without communication, You will always win and its it obvious.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: RazorRamon on September 24, 2014, 08:40:17 PM
Seems Family got its first fan, vtech Ramon following us and telling our location to the lawyers. Guess he isn't too happy we used his blood to paint our gate the other day  ::)

Told you guys the lawyer location too, just wanted to clean up the survivors of that battle

And boy did i do that  ;D
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Aco on September 24, 2014, 09:29:41 PM
(if you got Your 20 on ts and fighting against 8-10 and 10 without communication, You will always win and its it obvious.

You are trying to say its impossible to win 10v20 ?

Always is a big word. You shouldn't use it, or only use it onto urself.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: The Brazilian Slaughter on September 28, 2014, 04:18:35 AM
Seems some of our fellow family have seen more V-tec/Lawyer co-operation during a ZC in RobCo. Gee whiz guys, why are you teaming up on those poor family guys, they're such a small weak faction, no threat to you.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: mAdman on September 28, 2014, 04:33:38 AM
Seems some of our fellow family have seen more V-tec/Lawyer co-operation during a ZC in RobCo. Gee whiz guys, why are you teaming up on those poor family guys, they're such a small weak faction, no threat to you.

Indeed, but the collaborating dogs were still butchered for their efforts if memory serves? >.<

Did any of them make it out of that sewer alive?
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Smalltime on September 28, 2014, 08:23:34 AM
Gee whiz guys, why are you teaming up on those poor family guys, they're such a small weak faction, no threat to you.

Indeed, but the collaborating dogs were still butchered for their efforts if memory serves? >.<

Did any of them make it out of that sewer alive?

From what I heard, it was just 3 v-tech and 2 lawyers harassing a group of 20 family for fun because there were no players online on either faction to form an actual fighting force.
You can pretend that it was significant if it makes you feel better, though.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: BG Sexpert on September 29, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
So, the two biggest factions have reached a peace agreement of some sort, displayed earlier in the battle for Global Electronics (which the family still won btw), when they sandwiched us and massacred a good lot of our men, including myself.

Further spying has revealed that there is indeed a truce of some degree between the 2 largest factions in the game.

So does this spell the end of the war? Surely 1500 cant stand up to 3000 (rough numbers) especially while divided.

Apparently the family is "too boring" anyway so who cares i guess :P

You're mistaking the actions of a few players. There are often times when working as a small crew of skilled players is more effective than a large group of undisciplined followers. There have been a few, rare, moments where some of the better players of different factions have gotten together to form a sort of "5 man death squad" in which they wipe 20 or so enemy faction members on their own.

This is mostly just done in the spirit of "lets see if we can do it" and just to have fun. This doesn't mean there is a peace treaty or anything. Its more of a temporary truce for the sake of glory. This doesn't mean I wont shoot ZBSDen or Windrunnerq next time I see them, it just means that in that moment, the glory was more important.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: mAdman on September 29, 2014, 09:41:20 AM
Gee whiz guys, why are you teaming up on those poor family guys, they're such a small weak faction, no threat to you.

Indeed, but the collaborating dogs were still butchered for their efforts if memory serves? >.<

Did any of them make it out of that sewer alive?

From what I heard, it was just 3 v-tech and 2 lawyers harassing a group of 20 family for fun because there were no players online on either faction to form an actual fighting force.
You can pretend that it was significant if it makes you feel better, though.

20? There were 6 max 7 of us left at that stage if i remember right, if it was the fight after most of the ZC team logged off, or do you mean the fight just after we capped the last location of the night? That one was very one sided admittedly, the second fight was somewhat even though.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Nunn on September 29, 2014, 11:28:43 PM
An entire ZC session of V-tec, Lawyer and maybe BB co-operation against Family today.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 29, 2014, 11:39:23 PM
An entire ZC session of V-tec, Lawyer and maybe BB co-operation against Family today.
Actually it was Lawyers + V-Tec vs. Family vs. Brahmin Boys

looks like Vtec and lawyers allied
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Nunn on September 29, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
An entire ZC session of V-tec, Lawyer and maybe BB co-operation against Family today.
Actually it was Lawyers + V-Tec vs. Family vs. Brahmin Boys

looks like Vtec and lawyers allied

Ah fair enough, i think its mostly the french Vtec platoon thats jumping in with the Lawyers.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Balthasar on October 03, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
I recently saw a VTech guy talking in french language. I bet he is responsible for the Lawyer-VTech connection aswell! Get your torches light up and build an angry mob!
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: MARXMAN on October 04, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
An entire ZC session of V-tec, Lawyer and maybe BB co-operation against Family today.
Actually it was Lawyers + V-Tec vs. Family vs. Brahmin Boys

looks like Vtec and lawyers allied

Ah fair enough, i think its mostly the french Vtec platoon thats jumping in with the Lawyers.

I think it goes beyond that.  Yesterday the family decided to go out for some ZC,  and were were PINCERED from opposite sides by Lawyers and Vtecs at 4 different captures. They then proceeded to hit each other a few times ( no dead bodies, mind you) so they could get their scores high enough to beat us out.


Whats the fuckin' point of having 4 factions? honestly? Seems like everyone would be happier with 2 sides.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Simms on October 15, 2014, 02:10:00 AM
If you find yourself stuck in between in a 3 sided teamfight, it is entirely your fault. A good group can benefit a lot from having more than one opponent around, if theres room for maneuvering.

I assume that as famuly usually does one-door toilet zone capping in the central part of the location, and lawyers and vtecs come from the opposite directions... they find themselves in the crossfire one too many times.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: baskila on October 15, 2014, 05:51:15 AM
I think it goes beyond that.  Yesterday the family decided to go out for some ZC,  and were were PINCERED from opposite sides by Lawyers and Vtecs at 4 different captures. They then proceeded to hit each other a few times ( no dead bodies, mind you) so they could get their scores high enough to beat us out.

Whats the fuckin' point of having 4 factions? honestly? Seems like everyone would be happier with 2 sides.
Agree. This situation is the regular strategy and I find it pathetic tbh.
Yesterday we at Family tried to defend our gate while trying to take Verde. Lawyers and Vteks came through our gate at the same time and sandwiched us from both sides at the long building.
I've been with Family from the start and every ZC in which both Vteks and Lawyers come ends exactly this way. So yeah, what's the point of 4 factions? 2 would be enough.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Niamak on October 15, 2014, 06:11:03 AM
What's the point of having more than 2 legs for a chair ?
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Smalltime on October 15, 2014, 06:19:00 AM
Agree. This situation is the regular strategy and I find it pathetic tbh.
Yesterday we at Family tried to defend our gate while trying to take Verde. Lawyers and Vteks came through our gate at the same time and sandwiched us from both sides at the long building.
I've been with Family from the start and every ZC in which both Vteks and Lawyers come ends exactly this way. So yeah, what's the point of 4 factions? 2 would be enough.

That sounds like another unfortunate accident for the family. V-tech and lawyers fight harder against each other than any other faction pairing, all you need do is look at the PvP videos to see this. The Family have a bad habit of ending up getting accidentally pincered by lawyers/vtech before they charge at each other.
These are not co-ordinated strikes, even if they seem like it. If you weren't camping a building, you may have been better off. As Simms said, mobility is important.

The rare instance of lawyer/v-tech teamwork -- and I can vouch for this as I was there (though I do not condone score-whoring, if this happened, it was before I showed up) was due to the platoon that left v-tech and went to family a few nights prior to when this happened. There was bad blood between us and that platoon, there were little to no v-tech online willing to ZC, and given the options, lawyers winning instead of them seemed like a good choice at the time.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
There are no rules against co-operating with other factions. Lore-wise, the Lawyers and V-tech are neutral, as are family and BB, v-tech and family, and lawyers/BB.
The core is what we make of it.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: baskila on October 15, 2014, 06:26:10 AM
Agree. This situation is the regular strategy and I find it pathetic tbh.
Yesterday we at Family tried to defend our gate while trying to take Verde. Lawyers and Vteks came through our gate at the same time and sandwiched us from both sides at the long building.
I've been with Family from the start and every ZC in which both Vteks and Lawyers come ends exactly this way. So yeah, what's the point of 4 factions? 2 would be enough.
These are not co-ordinated strikes, even if they seem like it.

You're saying that they entered our gate with two huge groups and ddin't see each other? Come on.
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: Smalltime on October 15, 2014, 06:35:00 AM
You're saying that they entered our gate with two huge groups and ddin't see each other? Come on.
Well, actually, hold on.
Were the v-techs the guys with "Drone" in their name? If so, those are BBS alts, who have their mains on lawyers, and I'd believe you.
I don't like it at all either.
You can't confirm that they didn't kill each other after, can you?
Title: Re: The war is over? Alliance between vtech and lawyers spells GG
Post by: baskila on October 15, 2014, 06:38:50 AM
You're saying that they entered our gate with two huge groups and ddin't see each other? Come on.
Well, actually, hold on.
Were the v-techs the guys with "Drone" in their name? If so, those are BBS alts, who have their mains on lawyers, and I'd believe you.
I don't like it at all either.
You can't confirm that they didn't kill each other after, can you?

It doesn't matter if they started fighting after they killed the Family. What matters is the fact that two most powerful factions gang together to beat up the small one.
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