[14:13] <Smalltime> everything in the patch appears to be working
[14:13] <Smalltime> which means
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I love your thinking, thank you for showing some love to Traps :), that really IS great to see.
As soon as I return home will try the new supersledge... 5 BROFS is -50% ap cost, which means that a dedicated melee character can now perform 2 thrusts in a row, oh dear.
yeah, you're looking at like 67ish AP thrusts for a melee character.[14:13] <Smalltime> everything in the patch appears to be working
[14:13] <Smalltime> which means
[14:13] == Smalltime has changed nick to AFKtime
[14:22] == Cirn0 has quit
I love your thinking, thank you for showing some love to Traps :), that really IS great to see.
As soon as I return home will try the new supersledge... 5 BROFS is -50% ap cost, which means that a dedicated melee character can now perform 2 thrusts in a row, oh dear.
BROF on weapon is -5% by perk so -25% AP cost
BROF on weapon is -5% by perk so -25% AP costI, for some reason, counted in -20% from fast shot... (which is 10%) I need to stop reading old forums of old FO servers ><.
BROF on weapon is -5% by perk so -25% AP costI, for some reason, counted in -20% from fast shot... (which is 10%) I need to stop reading old forums of old FO servers ><.
so paragon wined and u cirn0 foked sperman and melee in as single swing
I like the change on ssledge. You still have the stun lock (even more on melee chars -_-) but the dam will be much lower, so even if you can pretty much win a 1v1 if you reach your opponent (and it should be that way), if won't be ssledge on 2nd weapon for gun chars anymore, and with the dam lowered, in ZC fights, people won't be dispatched so fast by melees :)how are strong if i can trow only 1 then need to w8 for ap regen
And I think spears are still strong after this patch (not OP but strong) :)
You do know there are other weapons which have more than 50 ap cost ? :)dud but your wapons instant hit ramon doged my speers from 5 hex distance anwey will see no speer builds no more at least i am abanding my
But I do find it hilarious that yesterday, someone complained about spears and today they get a nerf.it wasnt just yesterday though, more like yesterweek
But I do find it hilarious that yesterday, someone complained about spears and today they get a nerf.it wasnt just yesterday though, more like yesterweek
I'm pretty sure this http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=2394.0But I do find it hilarious that yesterday, someone complained about spears and today they get a nerf.it wasnt just yesterday though, more like yesterweek
no, we are watching you like the nsa and have seen a lot of fights over the past week. it just doesn't mean that we immediately take down the server once the first guy achieved a 3 digit crit."LOOKS LIKE".
I wonder where you guys got the delusion that decision processes like these should even be remotely democratic.
I'm quite sure this has been discussed thoroughly in some murky IRC backroom. As it should.
Not that it really matters anyways since things might as well change again next week.
I think its natural that community veterans who do tons of coding have a bigger say than forum trolls. (I'm not referring to you Stem Sunders :) )
I wonder where you guys got the delusion that decision processes like these should even be remotely democratic.
I'm quite sure this has been discussed thoroughly in some murky IRC backroom. As it should.
Not that it really matters anyways since things might as well change again next week.
I think its natural that community veterans who do tons of coding have a bigger say than forum trolls. (I'm not referring to you Stem Sunders :) )
I wonder where you guys got the delusion that decision processes like these should even be remotely democratic.I'm totally sure it was discussed before too, obviously.
I'm quite sure this has been discussed thoroughly in some murky IRC backroom. As it should.
Not that it really matters anyways since things might as well change again next week.
I think its natural that community veterans who do tons of coding have a bigger say than forum trolls. (I'm not referring to you Stem Sunders :) )
"But I do find it hilarious that yesterday, someone complained about spears and today they get a nerf"
it wasent someone it was only paragon, all other people in thet thread sead spears arent op, so its simple paragon got his ass raped by spears and instant nerf, yesterday night we raped him again whit neddler he told he will nerf thet too
I think its natural that community veterans
Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:
Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:Like I keep saying I don't do numbers, I appreciate the people that do.
Go make some math guys, compare values and then we talk.
Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:
"Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:"hahahahahahahahhahaha
rly ???? fokin megalomaniac
Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:
Go make some math guys, compare values and then we talk.
Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:
only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby
only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby
I thought that spears were too powerful too
But i also think that +15AP on all spears is overnerfing
Just tuning the damage to 80-90% would have been fine.
only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby
I thought that spears were too powerful too
But i also think that +15AP on all spears is overnerfing
Just tuning the damage to 80-90% would have been fine.
still think spears aren OP cuz you can easy envade just moving sideweys but alomst nobody does dont aks me whyIn a ZC fight, there are many situations where you can't move to evade, let's say you went into negative AP, or you are aiming to shoot someone, etc In the heat of a fight, you can easily find someone who is not moving :)
Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:Like I keep saying I don't do numbers, I appreciate the people that do.
Go make some math guys, compare values and then we talk.
Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:
You didn't lose battles to spears? Then why you dont like them?
Even if I'm wrong just replace that bit with whatever concern it was and everything else I stand by.
Why do you only pull out the tiniest little thing you can and bang on at that?
Please show me where assumptions of your personality were made.
I was speaking mostly hypotheticals, hence purposely leaving your name out because I'm not trying to make it an attack on you.
it just part of it, but I also saw when I watched smaller fights that spears have a big fear factor because the first gu to walk into a room with spearmen gets deleted. We have a couple of different setups competing in that <20hex range and it requires careful balance which wont be perfect this season as it's all gonna be changed again, anyway.
entering room with flamers has less fear factor john ???
Funniest thing I've read, got dropped cuz bad grammar :')I wonder where you guys got the delusion that decision processes like these should even be remotely democratic.
I'm quite sure this has been discussed thoroughly in some murky IRC backroom. As it should.
Not that it really matters anyways since things might as well change again next week.
I think its natural that community veterans who do tons of coding have a bigger say than forum trolls. (I'm not referring to you Stem Sunders :) )
Teela thanks for caling me troll, by the wey i did alot wiki before stalker droped me cuz bad grammar and i did some perk images
Why i think democratic cuz cirno opend
"The Lobby
Here you can lobby for nerfs and buffs and other things that require a few minutes of tweaking."
only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby
From things I saw, spears just destroy any person that dares to deploy. (I require tactical-roll perk)
Anyway, I'm just happy that patches do even come out, it makes me feel that AoP is being treated with care.
if i throw fkn molotov under deployed player what he will do ??? stand in fire ??? no he moves ...... well u can fkn move for spear tooYeah, let's compare instant damage and DoT-types, you make no sense.
Why disabled science in core? Now I can't science shit items and I don't want to Hull them back to base :/Because of people like you, stalker. Sciencing gear while being chased by a stronger enemy is a tactic that has been employed in pretty much every FOnline to date, but it is made worse by the fact the dynamic of the core. I remember a few battles much earlier in the session wherein an ENTIRE losing team scienced all of their gear and then ran out of the building they were trapped in to their deaths.
Because of people like you, stalker. Sciencing gear while being chased by a stronger enemy is a tactic that has been employed in pretty much every FOnline to date, but it is made worse by the fact the dynamic of the core. I remember a few battles much earlier in the session wherein an ENTIRE losing team scienced all of their gear and then ran out of the building they were trapped in to their deaths.
It is very unfair to the opposition, and it's generally a childish thing to do. My only regret is that there are people who wouldn't do that type of stuff hurt by this change.
This isn't the first time that it has been disabled in the core, by the way. I have no idea why it was re-enabled.
Okay, it is time to clear the air.
This spear nerf had nothing to do with paragon, despite the fact the he is also a developer. AoP is a game that has undergone many mechanic changes, and sometimes weapons get left behind when changes are made. Most of the spears were in this case. Back when you could only hold one spear at a time, it made sense for them to not cost much AP. But now that they don't slide back into your inventory, serrated spears do more burst (as a technical term, not a mode) damage than any other weapon in the game. This had to be changed, because they were outdamaging everything short of T3 weapons that aren't even out yet.
The decision to change spears was made between cirn0 and I (though I noticed after writing this long post that he made a post claiming it was him alone,) and it was made BEFORE paragon posted his thread.
The only proof I have is IRC logs, because the decision was made while we were in a voicechat.
Jan 25 23:48:51 <Smalltime> So we talked about it
Jan 25 23:49:06 <Smalltime> AP was never adjusted when spears were made to not slide into your inventory
Jan 25 23:49:21 <Smalltime> so we're looking at at least a 15AP increase on the spears that cost 50
and later after I saw his thread
Jan 26 01:28:11 <Smalltime> this (sic) mad
Jan 26 01:28:20 <Smalltime> how a dev gonna get this salty about a game mechanic
Jan 26 01:28:43 <Smalltime> arguably one of the few people in a position to change it
Jan 26 01:31:42 <paragonic> I just find it pretty fun to share (:
Now I understand that this change stepped on a lot of toes and it was a bit of a delicate subject because you've all been arguing it in that other thread, but the change was made before that thread existed. If it doesn't work out, then we will change it again.
One of the best parts of working on AoP when the server is live, is having a community of people who are there to check you when you do something that could negatively effect the experience. I only ask that you guys give it a few days before rioting.Why disabled science in core? Now I can't science shit items and I don't want to Hull them back to base :/Because of people like you, stalker. Sciencing gear while being chased by a stronger enemy is a tactic that has been employed in pretty much every FOnline to date, but it is made worse by the fact the dynamic of the core. I remember a few battles much earlier in the session wherein an ENTIRE losing team scienced all of their gear and then ran out of the building they were trapped in to their deaths.
It is very unfair to the opposition, and it's generally a childish thing to do. My only regret is that there are people who wouldn't do that type of stuff hurt by this change.
This isn't the first time that it has been disabled in the core, by the way. I have no idea why it was re-enabled.
Well, scavenging is already so easy, so it won't hurt so much I think
Fixes:
- Some graphical issues with deploy weapons fixed
lel what stronger enemy , we killed them in first battle 2vs2 ... if u would havent outnumbered us we would have killed u again and again and again ... but your brains ticking different , oh they did beat us they op lets bring 1 or 2 more guys and spray them lel ... also -1 to not being able to science in core . plus if u really wanna make looting fair , let only the player other palyers lootable who he killed ... there are many battles where i dont have a chance to grab any loot ... so your argument about sciencing it for fair play is invalid ...This has been a problem since the beginning of the session. The lawyers were VERY fond of it, if I remember correctly. It is an unintended use for an otherwise noncombat related skill. I'm actually fairly certain that science was disabled in the core for a while, I do not remember why it was brought back.
its not easy when your faction dont hold any zone and enemy faction is online with maniac swarm who loves to swarm loners or group of atleast 2 players with 4+I don't know how you can still cite v-tech being a swarm after this week's bb/family numbers, and if you don't want to take part in pvp, don't sit in front of an enemy's gate waiting to attack scavengers. There are tons of other places you can go and semi-safely scavenge, v-tech enterprises isn't the best place.
its not easy when your faction dont hold any zone and enemy faction is online with maniac swarm who loves to swarm loners or group of atleast 2 players with 4+
Anyway, I'm just happy that patches do even come out, it makes me feel that AoP is being treated with care.eheheheheheheheh
The serrated spear and any weapon with Decreased DR trait is awful (-60% DR FLAT), I need to remove that from the game as it really breaks balance.
Because of people like you, stalker. Sciencing gear while being chased by a stronger enemy is a tactic that has been employed in pretty much every FOnline to date, but it is made worse by the fact the dynamic of the core. I remember a few battles much earlier in the session wherein an ENTIRE losing team scienced all of their gear and then ran out of the building they were trapped in to their deaths.Nothing wrong with that, part of FOnline. Why is that childish? when defeat and death is inevitable by noobs that do nothing but outnumber the enemy, I should have the ability to science my gear.
It is very unfair to the opposition, and it's generally a childish thing to do. My only regret is that there are people who wouldn't do that type of stuff hurt by this change.
This isn't the first time that it has been disabled in the core, by the way. I have no idea why it was re-enabled.
Next wakizashi nerf incoming (:Next to be nerfed : unaimed shots, then metal armor MKII, then Milkor, PKS was nerfed already to shit so guess time to reroll :P
paragon started crying on irc.
paragon started crying on irc.
new aop meme ;D
Oh, I know this one!
Each time I cry on IRC,WesanCirn spawns meAPASPA at my base.
Oh, I know this one!
Each time I cry on IRC,WesanCirn spawns meAPASPA at my base.
Nope this is not you
When you crie people and their fun time in the game gets ruin. When u can't deal with somfing ingame you deal with it dirty in forums , or chat whines.
Disgusting little cunt you are SHAME for this community and example what fonline player must NOT be.
Oh, I know this one!
Each time I cry on IRC,WesanCirn spawns meAPASPA at my base.
Nope this is not you
When you crie people and their fun time in the game gets ruin. When u can't deal with somfing ingame you deal with it dirty in forums , or chat whines.
Disgusting little cunt you are SHAME for this community and example what fonline player must NOT be.
Oh, I know this one!
Each time I cry on IRC,WesanCirn spawns meAPASPA at my base.
Nope this is not you
When you crie people and their fun time in the game gets ruin. When u can't deal with somfing ingame you deal with it dirty in forums , or chat whines.
Disgusting little cunt you are SHAME for this community and example what fonline player must NOT be.
I agree. Fonline players should be foul mouthed shit slinging monkeys. Like nailbrain, AOP's most valuable community member.
But seriously. I can understand the occasional trash talking but you are taking it to a completely new level. If you have issues with paragon try flaming in PM. If you are having more general issues: there's a lot of other forums out there that probably better serve your needs.
Oh, I know this one!
Each time I cry on IRC,WesanCirn spawns meAPASPA at my base.
Nope this is not you
When you crie people and their fun time in the game gets ruin. When u can't deal with somfing ingame you deal with it dirty in forums , or chat whines.
Disgusting little cunt you are SHAME for this community and example what fonline player must NOT be.
I agree. Fonline players should be foul mouthed shit slinging monkeys. Like nailbrain, AOP's most valuable community member.
But seriously. I can understand the occasional trash talking but you are taking it to a completely new level. If you have issues with paragon try flaming in PM. If you are having more general issues: there's a lot of other forums out there that probably better serve your needs.
foul mouthed shit slinging monkeys. Like nailbrain
uh i dont have any grudges with you Teela have i disrespected or insulted you ingame or out in any personal to you way