Yes a lot of changes happened but how much they actually impacted on the game ?
The question is : is it worth for the players to play the server at this moment ? Is it worth the players time to play the server at its current revision that isn't much better than it was at the beginning of the session and definitely worse than last season pre-wipe.
There is a reason that most players left the game, and it didnt happen only at the beginning but at a steady pace, the last players stopped playing at the current version of the game. Whats the point of calling players to try and get dissapointed from AoP at its current form.
I think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?
If you talk about clicking then yes its identical you still click.
As I have said players left for a reason and the last left the game that is in its current form, most of the last season core players have stopped playing for a reason too, why would they live if it would be the same ? They didn't leave for more than a year of last season after all :)
Nice use of colour.
This is a just quick poll to get an idea of how many people want to fight in PvP combat - considering all the new weapon balancing that has taken place over the last few months.
Whats the point of calling players to try and get dissapointed from AoP at its current form.
You haven't played for a while Stalker.....
You clearly don't know anything.
I am still waiting for one point on why the PvP weapons and systems are not balanced.
Just gimme something, please! :c
If it's so balanced, why isn't AoP thriving, isn't that what people wanted? Oh wait...There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.
Komrade fails to make one decent point to why PvP is worse.Why should he?
I think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?
I didnt tell that current AoP is the best its ever been, but i still think thtat its better than other fonline servers. And yes, there is many things which i dont like, but its just game. You can use brain to create good tactics, can use good positions on maps for get benefit. Do u remember how church use covered melee tanks to catch us? It was good tactic. And what tactic do we usualy use? Hold the rooms or rush. I think its reason why we lose many battles and why some players left us. Unbalanced weapons and power of sneak isnt true reason why guys left. Swarming, rage screams and rage quits after losing battles is true reason. Imbalanced weapons and sneak was on 1st session too and what? Guys played. No assignments, poor dungeons and not enough online vs Hounds/Church/Family swarm is thrue reason i think. And that many players dont have will to win.QuoteI think that there are enough number of players who left because there was no pvp or no mates online. And i want to ask some mates: do you really think that current AoP so disbalanced that there is no point for game?
Did you ask them why they didnt go to pvp when they were online ? Or you just said its best its ever been and closed your ears to that all, blamed them for not coming to PVP ?
Nah GaS you are completely mistaken on that part, believe me when I say that players dont leave the game just because they lost a battle or two or 5 for that matter. I played through the whole last season and I can tell you players continued to play the game no matter how outnumbered they were or how many battles they lost. The best examples were Family that had much less and less organized players at the beginning that barely stood a chance against superior paragons vtec numbers/weaponry, the winrate was very low, much worse that I have seen from any faction this season and they still played and still the same players continued to play and improve.
Did the online dropped ? did the players leave ? Nope they continued to play, same thing happened when Family started winning more battles vtecs might have quited for the evening or for a day but they still came and played cause they liked the game.
Well, i started play AoP in BBs on 1st session when there was 160 online, but i played no often and miss the moment when many players left. I dont know why it happened.
It really aint complicated....: In season 1 there was a good time where you would get insta killed for 600 damages from waki backstab by sneakers that appeared 2 hexes from you....took over a month to get it fixed so everyone left.
There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.
I am done.
Waki sneakers? Really? I think you mean sneak sniper trains because I only remember 2 or 3 players that were specifically waki sneakers, and I don't remember anyone bringing a waki to a ZC (as a secondary weapon, but I honestly can't recall ever dying to one during ZC).
When the hell were you playing? Ever since they added session 1 sneak formula, waki sneaks no longer exist due to everyone playing pistol/sniper sneak cause of shit detection formula. It was good (no more waki/melee sneaks) but same time bad (everyone playing pistol/sniper sneaks).
Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.
This is why my suggestion was about simply nerfing the flat damage they are capable of dealing, to stop people even bothering to try sneak instakill bs like that, and instead use them as the support they should be (vision, support dps/cc during fights).
Stalger: "change snek alredy >:("
john: "What do you have in mind?"
Stalger: "..."
I havet touched sneak since 2014 and I dont intend to start now
This is why my suggestion was about simply nerfing the flat damage they are capable of dealing, to stop people even bothering to try sneak instakill bs like that, and instead use them as the support they should be (vision, support dps/cc during fights).
They're still gonna be a nuisance if they go with your suggestion...I mean IMO sneaks shouldn't be shooting a gun at all.
If devs would follow my suggestions you get
- A use for traps since they've claimed they have no idea what to do with them
- Sneaks are SCOUTS ONLY +Use of traps so they don't become boring
- All those Door Charges, Door Glues, Satchels, etc. would be used by sneakers
- SOFLAM has a use now
- Every FOnline PVP Ape's dream comes true of wanting sneaks only to be recon
- Sneak Predators aren't driving away the new players
All they pretty much have to do is bring back late season 1/early session 2 formula with Wartime, just a little bit more invisible (since they won't be directly shooting other players), add perk Concealment so weapons you can sneak with. Make sneak penalty into something where a sneaker can't just pull out a sniper from 70 hexes and shoot, should be something like -80% hit chance for 15 seconds to completely prevent them. Add a new type of trap mine mean't to cripple, maybe new smoke grenade that instantly dispurses 6 hex radius so sneak can disrupt enemies DSR/Deployed things. Traps can alone be seen from 2 hexes with high PE, and high trap skills makes them visible from like 5. Evil scientist could use rework. Remember main job for sneak is to scout, traps just something extra. How to prevent trap spam? Make them expensive as fuck + rare/uncommon materials when crafting them. Except maybe one crappy trap like bear trap, that should be cheap. Sneak boys should also be cheap. Some other stuff
Exactly, there was a lot of people not because sneak was working, but because there was wipe.. And then a trainwreck of a start. People were leaving because of exploits, sneakers killing em, no pillow intro and etc, many reasons.There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.
Uuhhh....maybe AoP just wiped and it's FOnline tradition for server to be populated right after one....cmon Voland, you should know this.
Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.
The real reason why everyone stopped playing is because you retarded autists turn every single thread into a sneak discussionand a bit of what Wire said
Exactly, there was a lot of people not because sneak was working, but because there was wipe.. And then a trainwreck of a start. People were leaving because of exploits, sneakers killing em, no pillow intro and etc, many reasons.There was more people playing in the beginning of season 2 when sneak was completely broken, therefore completely broken sneak = more players.
Uuhhh....maybe AoP just wiped and it's FOnline tradition for server to be populated right after one....cmon Voland, you should know this.
Meanwhile I'm just here trying to make sneaks into recon where they won't be a Fucken nuisance anymore to PvPers.
People still leaving for same reasons, attributing it to just sneak is not really fair. And seriously, being a nuisance is the whole point of sneak attacks, but that's just my opinion.
I am not entierly sure, but I think John been trying to tell you that if you will do yourself all the work on sneak changes, devs will implement it for testing. But that's the whole joke, everyone just spreading literature about it. (and my statement would also need confirmation bout it from Cirn0/John, just to be sure)
However that's not that big of a problem.
The problem is, there's not much going around to actually pvp for.
PVE people were kept arout due to dungeons/assigments, those people are gone. Population dropped.
Next are the guys whom poke around and look at cool shit, did their thing and left too, because there wasn't that much of it around.
And then "I have biggest dick" guys have left because it's not hard to get gear, nothing to compete for, nobody to kill in bulk, etc. No challenge.
My point is, there's no system to keep people in. And no amount of sneak changes or trap additions will bring back people.
To put it bluntly, server needs content. And nobody is working on it right now, or willing to lend a hand except S1man, and he does what he can.(There's also Courier, but.. its complicated)
Devs are on vacation and all we have is a forum full of angry people. There's will to change, but no action.
I hope I've explained myself well.
The real reason why everyone stopped playing is because you retarded autists turn every single thread into a sneak discussion
you're*Being a grammar nazi while missing the most basic grammar rules, such as capitalisation and full stops, then proceeding to insult based on what amounts to the same mistake he is making while insulting. That is actually a common trait of Autism/Autistic children.
you retarded autist
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LMAO LOL LOOOOOL, good one man, so funny, you should do standup, because autism IS hilarious. 10/10, would pay to see again, voice of a generation here.
Not really, I kind of hope you die painfully, like in a fire, or from blunt forced trauma to your organs and crotch.
I don't think I have ever wished death on someone before, so congratulations, you just busted my cherry in that regard.
Quality meme though, your family would be proud.
Have anything at all reasonable to say, or did you just come here to insight hate?
Can people stop hijacking my posts?
Have anything at all reasonable to say, or did you just come here to insight hate?
Bwahahahaha, coming from YOU that's just the most funny thing i ever read. ;D ::) I think il need new pants cause im about to soil mine hahahaha. Haha....ah....*wipes a tear*
''autism IS hilarious.'' Indeed you are Ramon, indeed you are!
Can people stop hijacking my posts?
Bwahahahaha, coming from YOU that's just the most funny thing i ever read. ;D ::) I think il need new pants cause im about to soil mine hahahaha. Haha....ah....*wipes a tear*
''autism IS hilarious.'' Indeed you are Ramon, indeed you are!
Your right Stem, i AM horrible at trolling. Much better at inteligent converstations, but then again i would need another inteligent person to speak to. There is a definite shortage of that around, so im stuck trying to reason with a bunch of Ramons.
Back to the subject of this post: Organised pvp IS possible, and can be quite fun. We had some great small scale fights yesterday:2v2v2-3v3-4v4. It's really not hard to do when everyone is mature enough to split into even teams.
FUCK FUCK FUCK
a bunch of Ramons.
But....aren't we all a little autistic?
after server wipe