Topic: flamethrower(Incinerator) rebalance/more viable for ZC (Read 20753 times)

artaman · « **on:** October 02, 2014, 02:03:55 PM »

i have idea to make flamethrower a must have for ZC as a indirect fire/room clearing/room defend weapon. this change should encourage more diverse team with more flamers being used

idea is to make flamethrower to have the attack spread side to side from maximum point of impact by 1-2 hex. like letter "T".

this will make flamethrower a must have for ZC room/window camping. also great for stop swarming team from enter rooms/blobbing at outside of room.

Also flamethrower should have area denial fire mode of attack which when used will drain all ap/keep shoot flame and drain ammo until stop or ammo runs out. also maybe cause suppression/disorient after 1 second of person standing in fire.

SnowCrash · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2014, 02:18:24 PM »

Great ideas! Will be a very nice improvement for flamers.

blasma khan · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2014, 02:46:16 PM »

Would be great for incidarator to shoot fire AoE much like molotovs/Incendiary grenades as well.

cirn0 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2014, 03:18:25 PM »

Someone get me some nice graphics for the flames first. The Molotov and incendiary effects are impressive but not quite "fire"

dillinger · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2014, 03:25:34 PM »

also good fire

3.14 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2014, 04:25:06 PM »

I can make some custom explosion/fire animations if it's needed, just tell me how it should look, how many frames, what size, etc
Sample:

Spoiler for Hiden:

Deathproof · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2014, 05:06:19 PM »

It will kind of make them OP, one guy cleaning up 10 people. They can almost do that now if he catches them aligned.

I always considered granades good for that kind of door camp cleaners.

artaman · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2014, 05:08:46 PM »

from doom 2 archivile fire

maybe something like diablo 2 fire (some of best sprite fire i have seen)

cirn0 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2014, 05:30:02 PM »

The sprite will be for each hex tile, so 1 fire sprite will be placed onto a tile that is on fire.
Something that is not very tall and looks well when tiled.

If you could uh... give me something very similar to the D2 fire sprite that isn't the exact D2 fire sprite that would be great.

mAdman · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2014, 04:40:23 AM »

Wow area fire effects would be really nice, but my god the flamethrower does so much damage already, please reduce the output damage if you going to place damage over time area control effects attached to it.

Giving all fire weapons and some explosives (fire trap pleeeeeaaaassse

) the ability to set fire to a region would be for the best, fire becomes a good tactic for area control.

A little off topic but can a flamer use cone firing?

3.14 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2014, 06:11:44 AM »

Something like this would do?

I still don't know anything about the size, framerate or bits of transparency

Perteks · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2014, 06:32:16 AM »

If I can say something, guys try to make it with flame dancing guy color pallette.

artaman · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2014, 11:17:27 AM »

i did some edit to burning man .gif (thank perteks) from fallout for preserve fallout art style. maybe will work maybe no, dont know if will work with tiled.

if not good i will try tomake diablo 2 fire style

cirn0 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2014, 12:53:37 PM »

Looks good artaman.

Tiles are 32x18 I think. I think the flames are a little bit too tall, just eyeball it next to a player model. and make sure it doesn't obscure too much of the screen when tiled.

If you look into your client folder data/art/cirn_stuff and look at any of those folders you will alot of png and a .fofrm file. That's how I made those custom sprites for the plasma cannon projectile. I would gladly add it in if you could make it!

artaman · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2014, 02:58:43 PM »

ok i do some edit and make ok loop. is 59x59 pixel seems half height of person. 100ms between image

also does fonline engine support transparencies?

here i do some comparison of size.

ok i do attachment(removed) .rar 50x50 8 images@10fps dont know if look good when tile. maybe need random start sprite so all flame not look same.

SnowCrash · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2014, 03:29:50 PM »

Epic!

nanoswimz · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2014, 04:26:38 AM »

And i think fire should stay on the hexex some time, damaging overtime. No more toilet/The Room laststands

artaman · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2014, 12:04:43 PM »

i look at game files and the tiles are 80x36. but i have no way to tile animations and see if fire actually looks good. stuck doing crappy mockups.
here is 50x50 8 images@10fps

so far this is what looks like. seems like fire too tall i think, and maybe needs interpolation/offset for extra fires between fires for better look (dont know if engine can handle, especially ZC numbers). iam compare and in game fire colors will be not so bright.(is because is composite image)

Niamak · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2014, 12:44:46 PM »

I fear that current flamer mega burst damage will be nerfed for some shiny firework damage overtime.

cirn0 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2014, 04:03:46 PM »

Artaman, you're using tile dimensions and not hex dimensions! The fire goes on hexes not tiles, tiles are squares and hexes are the hexagons.

Quote from: Niamak on October 05, 2014, 12:44:46 PM

I fear that current flamer mega burst damage will be nerfed for some shiny firework damage overtime.

Good, we can differentiate melee from flamethrowers then. Of course in place of old flamers we'll have some stupid flame fist weapon.

An anti-camp weapon seems to be in order anyhow.

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Deathproof