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Title: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on February 29, 2016, 06:58:13 AM
Is it really okay ? This seems like the ultimate grinder / no-lifer advantage, especially blue and black nuka.

Unlike legendary and T3 weapons, these are consumables so you cannot loot them from your enemies and get the advantage for yourself as they just have to use the nuka and be done with it.
Unless you are grinding for them, you most likely don't have any.

I consider myself as a cool-headed person but every time I see someone chasing or retreating by using blue nuka, it leaves me a bad taste in my mouth. I can't even imagine how a more emotional person would react. #ramonneverrage #couriernevercry
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: paragon on February 29, 2016, 08:31:30 AM
Surprisingly, I can show you how would he react right away! https://youtu.be/qX7hkYuW1oE?t=3m22s
Ramon approves aop joke items which shouldn't influence pvp but let courier to not cry that much!

Nukas are typical grind2win item, very powerful and not available to players like me who doesn't have a will for pve and much time.

Even if they become more balanced, the problem is accessibility.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, developers are ok with "a little grindy" design, and state that you have to suffer through pve to get happiness in pvp.

Today I was reading dev irc logs from Sunday, found words "Drug class C", "Can use it for nukas" in sentences close to each over, my nerves gave up and I decided to take a break from irc for a week.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: clochard on February 29, 2016, 10:19:58 AM
Nukas are a bad implementation to this game.

Blue nuka make me think about earlier stage of the game when people were abusing voodoo/leather coat/run speed moduls and could run from 1 edge of the map to another in less than 5 sec.

A grappling skill for melee characters and some kind of str check to disengage melee could prevent the need for it.



Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 29, 2016, 10:36:01 AM
Are you forgetting that we have to get special caps for these? We can't just buy them and they're fine IMO. Red nuka was nerfed a long time ago and nobody uses it anymore. Now people are crying just cause we can chase down someone running away on voodoo or when they're too fast to get their legendary?

There has only been 2 people I've seen use nuka, me and pewpew. Everyone else doesn't bother to get any.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: clochard on February 29, 2016, 11:05:06 AM
"There has only been 2 people I've seen use nuka, me and pewpew. Everyone else doesn't bother to get any."
well buy yourself some new eyes  :o.

problem is: disengaging from melee is way too easy (exept when you are crippled by ripper) so yes chasing people runing away without bluenuka or leadershit speed moduls is vain and will mostly be solded by failure.

special caps for these: yes, something you can farm... and don't tell me it's not easy.

yes, red nuka isn't good, but i don't think it ever have been (but now you can't loose your "fists").

run speed should vary between players making agil char wearing light armors faster than tanky ones.
But i'm digressing and that's not the subject.

Nukas are a bad implementation imo. I don't brag or rage about anything on forums, but some things feel like cheating.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on February 29, 2016, 11:12:12 AM
Are you forgetting that we have to get special caps for these? We can't just buy them and they're fine IMO.

I don't know what you are trying to accomplish here but this is exactly what i'm pointing out. As I said earlier :

...This seems like the ultimate grinder / no-lifer advantage, especially blue and black nuka...
...Unless you are grinding for them, you most likely don't have any...
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 29, 2016, 11:32:47 AM
I don't know what you are trying to accomplish here

Me too, I just see people QQing that a counter to voodoo is gamebreaking



Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on February 29, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
more butthurt please , hahaha ... family delivering good pain.

ok now jokes aside:

2 stalgher:
sralker u god dam monkey , you can only use them because i am grinding them , i never seen u farm these shit with me :( (time to hoard them in my little room ::) )... and u soak that shit up like its water or you die to pewpew like a pro xD one person cant farm all the shit sralker consuming xDDD

to nugas , i think they are balanced for the most part ... its not that easy to get some good amount of cola caps , it really takes alot of time to get masses and with masses i mean like 40 nukas of each type ... not 100 or 100+ and even if u got 40 blue nugas , sralker will get them to 5 in one week.

now i will go on every nuka :

red nuka : fine since nerf
yellow nuka : fine since bugfix
black nuka : fine since forever
blue nuka : should ne nerfed by adding a winded effect like from vodoo to it to prevent mass consumption

... its really easy to hunt players that run away already by using leaderbuffs and vodoo , the only problem i see form blue nuka is consuming more than 1 without any negative effects , thats when it gets problematic ... i understand its mechanic to give a short runspeed bonus to catch someone or run away , imo it shouldnt be designed to make someone able to run away from middle of the fight by just popping 6 blue nukas from one gate to the other one. otherwise u could ask why vodoo got a winded effect after its duration since its mechanic is quite for the same purpose.

also about melee blue nuka , its complete bullshit since its pretty easy to dodge meleeattacks (1hexrange attacks) thx to cvet , if u doesnt stand still or you dont cross the attackers hex u always fine by just running with the normal runspeed , the meleeguy will just stuck thanks to cvet , only way to get someone with melee is by making him walk (crippled , winded etc. ) or if he stands still like a idiot becasue he thinks he can trade dmg with a melee or he tries to attack 1 meele out of 2 and stand still , well stand still = = ok i watched the video and ripper can attack people with blue nuka , well dev said to me all melee wepaons got same aim/speedtime but it seems like some stuff is capable of things other melee weapons arent (buff waki and machete pls) ... ...

i havent seen anybody die serious by blue nuka anyway , i killed only niamak one time when he was on the run but he was dead already anyway since law did wait at gate. and in family i havent seen anybody use it to chase someone lately , just heard that tenova used it to get away with his legendary which is fine also ... so its not that big of a deal u people making out of it.

if you would start to talk about op mg42 and other stuff i would understand your qq but this topic here is hilarious ... its in same category like me dont have no spa please make aop an arena game.





Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Count Matthew on February 29, 2016, 11:50:47 AM
Multiple people have used blue nuka. Not just the two stated below.

It is buggy to use and if u change direction as the enemy (under the effects) tries to strike you, it doesn't connect properly.

However, I am inclined to agree with Paragon on this. Is grinding for pvp advantage really worth it?

Make it craftable with the ingredients being very rare to drop so when it is used, it is a nice surprise than a PvP staple.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on February 29, 2016, 11:52:19 AM
Actually, this is funny because Stalker and Courier are still trying make me "rage?!" or "angry?!" but by doing so they are also agreeing to my point.

After a year, maybe they will get a hint of how level headed I am. I guess some people just never learn.

I made this thread because I thought it was a good opportunity after Stalker made his video chasing Count Matthew with blue nuka.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on February 29, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
Multiple people have used blue nuka. Not just the two stated below.

It is buggy to use and if u change direction as the enemy (under the effects) tries to strike you, it doesn't connect properly.

However, I am inclined to agree with Paragon on this. Is grinding for pvp advantage really worth it?

nigga , you dont get advantage from nukas ... u get advantage in battle from skill , only skill ... some people believed they were pros by using just T3 and making it legendary ( level2s and 3s ) thus people however left server after the stuff was taken from them , shows how skilled they are.

you should really learn the funline basics , funline will never be balanced ... and if you really wanna talk about current meta you should better talk about some recent changes that were made on many T3 weapons and some other T2 weapons , these stuff is far more unbalanced than any nuka can ever be ... and its not like you can farm it that easy like nuka caps ... better think twice before starting such thread.

you can break it down real easy ... aop no arena game ... nukacaps available to everybody ... fight fire with fire and ragequit forever when u run out of the fuel [pixelz] (some recent v tec meme ; family fought the fire with water thats the secretz of war)=Nukagolacabz=(yes PvE , you can farm them alone pretty easy) , unlike T3 which u cant farm propperly alone on the server without any funboxes spawning ( and boxes require people to spawn and still its just x y % to spawn some good T3 wepaon ... its not comparable to some meme cola ... but still more gamechanging than it ).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mP1QwqB_EM



Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on February 29, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
Be careful Courier, you are doing a Freudian slip right here.

First, you are saying that it's not easy to farm :
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...its not that easy to get some good amount of cola caps...
Then you are saying that it's easy to farm :
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...and its not like you can farm it that easy like nuka caps...

You should think more careful before trying to express yourself or at least find some order.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on February 29, 2016, 12:10:58 PM
Be careful Courier, you are doing a Freudian slip right here.

First, you are saying that it's not easy to farm :
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...its not that easy to get some good amount of cola caps...
Then you are saying that it's easy to farm :
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...and its not like you can farm it that easy like nuka caps...

You should think more careful before trying to express yourself or at least find some order.

both quotes right , i said u cant farm masses which would allow you to mass use it with constant pvp and secondly i said its not comparable with t3 farming which is nearly impossible alone , or more random ... conclusion : if you dont wanna get chased by a nuka get some nuka yourself , which isnt hard ... i would understand if people would cry about not having the same amount of t3 the enemy has , which wud make more sense if we speak about availabilty of items and their power.

what is you occupation niamak ? you sound like some lawyer who twist/shake the words ive spoken/typed like he want , better join the lawyers with something better than a sonic cannon ::) i can rent you angelamerkel for a week if u pay with good nukas xD
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Komrade on February 29, 2016, 12:51:09 PM
To be honest I never liked the implementation of nuka caps to the game or at least at the beginning. I think everyone knows how I hate pve or anything related to op npcs but ....... no need to get to the other side of it.

Calling nuka caps pve players advantage is retarded for 1 obvious reason that most of you try to sidestep : even though you gain them clearing npcs infested areas like 2nd floors of polymer warmart and hospital and maybe other places that I don't know, they are all PVP areas. So you can kill someone who farm them and take the caps from him (thats how I got my first caps anyway). So all pvp players have the advantage of taking them and getting some pvp out of it, there are no safe places from (other players) to farm nuka caps.

If you gonna cry about pve farming winning vs pvp only players you better complain about bos patrols on world map and assignments as these 2 are the only pve only and safe from pvp areas. Everything else is lootable, farmable from other players.           
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on February 29, 2016, 01:26:53 PM
Good point, Komrade. Just keep in mind, I'm not trying to argue about PVE. I even made a comparison with legendary weapons which are pvp exclusives.

I just want to make a point about how Color Nuka can be considered as an advantage but at the same time can be very hard to obtain. Do you really think it's okay for the grinder / no lifer to have an advantage over you with his 40+ Color Nukas while you, on the other hand, only have 1-2 from looting ?

Unless you are grinding for them, you most likely don't have any.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Komrade on February 29, 2016, 02:47:03 PM
While color nukas are obviously giving some advantage to players who have them, they are nowhere near the game changers to be called op or giving clear advantage to players using them. In a way AoP is loot based game so normally players who will play more time than you will have more and better loot than you. They kinda have to be ''rewarded'' for the time they spend in the game.

Now in the ideal AoP world everything would be buyable from faction merchant with pvp caps so players who play only pvp can have everything. Ideally t3 weapons with adjusted prices ofc, buyable from faction merchant would be great, cause otherwise some weapons are almost unobtainable so you cant use them during pvp.

For example I use my second bozar and they both were given to me by other players to use, weapons that I wouldn't be able to use otherwise. Now if only a certain merchant would sell them .....     
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 29, 2016, 03:18:51 PM
2 stalgher:
sralker u god dam monkey , you can only use them because i am grinding them , i never seen u farm these shit with me :( (time to hoard them in my little room ::) )... and u soak that shit up like its water or you die to pewpew like a pro xD one person cant farm all the shit sralker consuming xDDD

Yeah yeah, we just had an abundance of it and none of us used any so I just started taking them. I'll farm some too when server is at 0 :D

However, I am inclined to agree with Paragon on this. Is grinding for pvp advantage really worth it?

Is doing Robco for tier 3 weapons worth it? Answer is yes so why can't nuka be worth it? It's not like you're able to take it to every single battle since they're valuable, just like tier 3 weapons.

Make it craftable with the ingredients being very rare to drop so when it is used, it is a nice surprise than a PvP staple.

Urm...disgusting idea, this will just remove Nuka Factory's point of existing.

Actually, this is funny because Stalker and Courier are still trying make me "rage?!" or "angry?!" but by doing so they are also agreeing to my point.
I'm not agreeing with anything. Nuka doesn't need to be changed and funny how you think we're trying to make you rage. Nothing special Niamak  ::)

I made this thread because I thought it was a good opportunity after Stalker made his video chasing Count Matthew with blue nuka.


OMG 1 clip and blue nuka needs a nerf!!! nerf nao plz!  ::) (BTW I used 1 black nuka and 1 blue before that clip. First time top cvet programming didn't let me hit matthew and black nuka didn't let me reach him with my ripper but I halted him for a while)

I just want to make a point about how Color Nuka can be considered as an advantage but at the same time can be very hard to obtain.

Then what the fuck is the point of this thread?  :o

Do you really think it's okay for the grinder / no lifer to have an advantage over you with his 40+ Color Nukas while you, on the other hand, only have 1-2 from looting ?

Ever since nuka's were implemented, we only have had 45 tops while courier has like 20 more for base decorations. It's been almost a year (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=2566.msg21607#msg21607) and somehow we have this HUGE advantage in PvP and declared a no lifer  ::)

There are other things that can use changing other than Nuka's. As courier said the MG42 is very strong. A good change would be adding some sort of barrel overheating for it, similar to RO2 so it can' just be nonstop burst. Maybe like 3 burst max then a 3 sec cooldown.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on February 29, 2016, 06:00:50 PM
stalgher forget about robco , it just gives particles , we did 4 runs > 9 particles
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: I love Clochard on February 29, 2016, 06:14:22 PM
same for warmart
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on February 29, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
Actually, this is funny because Stalker and Courier are still trying make me "rage?!" or "angry?!" but by doing so they are also agreeing to my point.
I'm not agreeing with anything. Nuka doesn't need to be changed and funny how you think we're trying to make you rage. Nothing special Niamak  ::)

Even if you are not agreeing with me, you are still confirming every point I made : It is an advantage and you have to grind for it to at least maintain it.
I just want you to drop the act about me crying or QQ, I'm sorry but there is no such thing about me. Anyway you did drop the act. xd

I made this thread because I thought it was a good opportunity after Stalker made his video chasing Count Matthew with blue nuka.

OMG 1 clip and blue nuka needs a nerf!!! nerf nao plz!  ::) (BTW I used 1 black nuka and 1 blue before that clip. First time top cvet programming didn't let me hit matthew and black nuka didn't let me reach him with my ripper but I halted him for a while)

As I said, it was a good opportunity. No one can argue with proof at hand. ;)

I just want to make a point about how Color Nuka can be considered as an advantage but at the same time can be very hard to obtain.
Then what the fuck is the point of this thread?  :o

What ?  :o

Do you really think it's okay for the grinder / no lifer to have an advantage over you with his 40+ Color Nukas while you, on the other hand, only have 1-2 from looting ?

Ever since nuka's were implemented, we only have had 45 tops while courier has like 20 more for base decorations. It's been almost a year (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=2566.msg21607#msg21607) and somehow we have this HUGE advantage in PvP and declared a no lifer  ::)

There are other things that can use changing other than Nuka's. As courier said the MG42 is very strong. A good change would be adding some sort of barrel overheating for it, similar to RO2 so it can' just be nonstop burst. Maybe like 3 burst max then a 3 sec cooldown.

I obviously took Courier's number ~40 as a bait to make you feel personally targeted but my point still stands : how would you feel if you were on the other end of the spectrum.
You are free to make another thread about any subject you desire, MG42 or whatever. From what I remember, freedom of speech is still legit in Murica.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on February 29, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
And somehow now, almost the first year anniversary of colored Cola's, right after I post a video of killing Matthew and finally countered voodoo running away, you decide its the best time for discussing meme colas. Btw it's the ripper you should be pointing out, just look how I kill Matthew in 4-5 hits, something I've been pushing to get nerfed for a while now (yeah yeah, make your own thread, already did that boss  ;))

Who knew Niamak was such a contentious person. I'm pretty sure you have a personal problem with me, looking at past post you're always wanting an argument with me. Butthurt? Jealousy? Attention? Dunno but one thing for sure you're always trying to be "right" when ever I'm involved.

There is no point to continue discussing. Nuka cola is fine as is IMO. Now I wait and watch for your trollish post cause it's your last resort when someone is right.

stalgher forget about robco , it just gives particles , we did 4 runs > 9 particles

Top loot, better to craft milkors :V
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: paragon on March 01, 2016, 02:19:09 AM
About "nuka grind area is pvp area": grids camping / waiting at the zone entrance for 1h is the most retarded type of pvp you can get and the most efficient to get those nukas through pvp. Thus retarded
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 01, 2016, 03:48:59 AM
And somehow now, almost the first year anniversary of colored Cola's, right after I post a video of killing Matthew and finally countered voodoo running away, you decide its the best time for discussing meme colas. Btw it's the ripper you should be pointing out, just look how I kill Matthew in 4-5 hits, something I've been pushing to get nerfed for a while now (yeah yeah, make your own thread, already did that boss  ;))

You are still confirming points I made and yes it is the best time. You are proving it clearly. xd
You are still trying to go off-topic with ripper, mg42, etc... but don't worry I'm here to make it all fine.
Btw the first time, you were talking about cvet bug with melee (ripper) + blue nuka and now you want to tell us how OP ripper is. You need to make up your mind.

Who knew Niamak was such a contentious person. I'm pretty sure you have a personal problem with me, looking at past post you're always wanting an argument with me. Butthurt? Jealousy? Attention? Dunno but one thing for sure you're always trying to be "right" when ever I'm involved.

I think you are starting to get paranoid. Just to break this paranoia and get back on topic, you can take a look at the most recent thread about pistols.

There is no point to continue discussing. Nuka cola is fine as is IMO. Now I wait and watch for your trollish post cause it's your last resort when someone is right.

It's not your place to decide whether a topic should be discussed or not and as you can see there are indeed a few divergent opinions.
Now I wait for your intelligent, well thought out and on-topic post because I'm sure you can do it. (not really) xdddd
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on March 01, 2016, 05:44:34 AM
this forum is in deep need of some active global moderator :D

(http://i.imgur.com/wRnYUSV.jpg)
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 01, 2016, 06:31:50 AM
this forum is in deep need of some active global moderator :D

(http://i.imgur.com/wRnYUSV.jpg)

Courier pls
https://youtu.be/--YY_uoX2Rs?t=7m16s
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 01, 2016, 09:50:33 AM
Niamak resorting to trolling again, some people never change xddd

Clearly a hard cold case of butthurt    ::)

this forum is in deep need of some active global moderator :D

(http://i.imgur.com/wRnYUSV.jpg)

Fuck dude, so OP taking a consumable that's semi-rare and only last like 15 seconds  ::)

Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 01, 2016, 10:11:39 AM
Niamak resorting to trolling again, some people never change xddd

Clearly a hard cold case of butthurt    ::)

Typical response with baseless accusations clearly shows that you are out of argument.

It seems like you are back to the QQ and crying act.

This is truly the most intelligent stalker response to any argumentation : "QQ Cry more LOLOL Butthurt". xddd
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: paragon on March 01, 2016, 11:35:42 AM
You can't fix stupid
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 01, 2016, 02:10:10 PM
Niamak resorting to trolling again, some people never change xddd

Clearly a hard cold case of butthurt    ::)

Typical response with baseless accusations clearly shows that you are out of argument.

It seems like you are back to the QQ and crying act.

This is truly the most intelligent stalker response to any argumentation : "QQ Cry more LOLOL Butthurt". xddd

And what exactly is there to argue about? Nuka is fine, you're not even suggesting any changes, and when I bring up something that definitely needs changing you say I'm going off topic xd. You just can't handle agreeing with me cause as I said

Clearly a hard cold case of butthurt    ::)

Pretty much created a shitstorm for nothing xD 

Just look how you take things so personal, you try so hard to roast me when reality IDGAF   xd CD

You can't fix stupid

Statement that corresponds with Niamak OOHHHH. It will be useless to continue this, you're a hardcore forum warrior Niamak, won't stop till you're "right" xddddd
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 01, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
You sure look like a nice roasted chicken without any argument left, only trying to go off-topic or throwing some butthurt, QQ, crying accusations.

If you really wanted to discuss MG42 changes, you would have made another thread since you didn't, you are just trying to change the subject. If two things are wrong, it doesn't mean one of them is right.

Statement that corresponds with Niamak OOHHHH.

Redirecting insult, did you learn this in kindergarten ?

It will be useless to continue this, you're a hardcore forum warrior Niamak, won't stop till you're "right" xddddd

Look, I told you should drop the act especially if you know you are going to lose anyway. You are just making a fool of yourself.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 01, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/avqiSUH.png)

And you claim I'm going offtopic  ddxxxxxx

But that's fine, just continue letting the butthurt out, especially from the rape handed out today xd
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Teela on March 01, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
Since we cannot stop the mongoloids from mongoloiding:

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Classic Stalker material. A non substantiated poll on a topic that doesn't need polling followed by a row of ad hominem, red herring and non sequitur arguments as the community provides feedback.

nuff said.

(http://i.imgur.com/avqiSUH.png)

And you claim I'm going offtopic  ddxxxxxx

But that's fine, just continue letting the butthurt out, especially from the rape handed out today xd
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 01, 2016, 07:01:18 PM
I'm not even Asian but ok  :P

Usually posting my opinion on the topic results in everything above. Someone butthurt tries hard to make me stand out.

As I said before, Nuka cola is fine. Anyone can get them, everyone has at least 3-4 and for some people, they have tons and completely forget about it.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 01, 2016, 07:23:39 PM
But that's fine, just continue letting the butthurt out, especially from the rape handed out today xd

Well you just did again, went off topic and threw some QQ, crying, butthurt accusations.

I can continue to call you out but it won't make you look any smarter.

As I said before, Nuka cola is fine. Anyone can get them, everyone has at least 3-4 and for some people, they have tons and completely forget about it.

This is interesting because earlier in the thread you were implying that nukas were difficult to obtain so they were fine and now you are trying to say that's they are easy to get and anyone can get them (at least 3-4 etc...). Your arguments are conflicting with each other. I smell roasted chicken here.

Are you forgetting that we have to get special caps for these? We can't just buy them and they're fine IMO.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 01, 2016, 10:49:07 PM
lel I'd thought you'd be smarter Niamak but you keep falling for it (http://i.imgur.com/AbeOik6.jpg).

I never implied anything. You assume too much xd "you're QQing, butthurt, going off-topic again!!!" Yeah yeah, don't take it up the ass

 I just said you need special caps to get nukas not "OMG these caps are so hard to get, please nerf dungeons"   ::) if people used normal caps, there would be thousands of meme colas.

And they are easy to get, yesterday I came from work, cleared polymer, looted and for some reason killing the bald guy last makes loot respawn and I ended up with 4 meme caps. It's possible to get them solo. Maybe if you got your ass off the forum and play the game more you'll know yourself but oh well, you'd rather be a certified IRC/forum warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

One problem is the location of these dungeons and only allows the faction controlling the zone safety while others have to risk being camped. Adding a map outside of core that spawns these would be a good solution, nuka processing plant maybe controlled by bandits
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: BG Sexpert on March 02, 2016, 12:25:33 AM
Is Colored Nuka Cola stupid?
yes
Is Blue Nuka Cola broken?
yes, it was made literally as a sanic meme. I don't think anyone expected them to be used. Run speed without consequence is OP.

The only reason there is an abundance of them, is because a very select few autists on an already diminished server population are grinding pve gear still. These autists are able to do so unopposed because nobody cares to stop them. Nobody else does dungeons regularly so the fact that dungeons are open for PvP doesn't effect anything.

Do some Nuka effects need to be rebalanced?
 Absolutely. The idea of special nuka cola isn't new, but its fun and should be worked into a state that is more meaningful and reasonable.

Will it be fixed before wipe?
Maybe, probably not. The problem will address itself with a larger player base. With only a few special caps dropping per dungeon, there likely won't be many horded when there are more than 3 people trying to do dungeons.

Did Family win server?
Nobody won server. Everyone got bored because there was no content.

Did Family have the largest number of remaining players after everyone left?
Yes

Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Komrade on March 02, 2016, 02:01:01 AM
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Is Colored Nuka Cola stupid?
yes

Agreed

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Is Blue Nuka Cola broken?
yes, it was made literally as a sanic meme. I don't think anyone expected them to be used. Run speed without consequence is OP.

Its op as long as you don't counter it. We fought and won without any nukas 5 vs 5 tecs all armed with blue nukas and rippers and another time armed with blue nukas and scorpions. Just redo your tactic and counter it, nothing changed same way to win against everything since the beginning.   

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The only reason there is an abundance of them, is because a very select few autists on an already diminished server population are grinding pve gear still. These autists are able to do so unopposed because nobody cares to stop them. Nobody else does dungeons regularly so the fact that dungeons are open for PvP doesn't effect anything.

Using autist as a degrading term is beyond low and shows what kind of person you really are.

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Did Family win server?
Nobody won server. Everyone got bored because there was no content.

Family won server unless someone will come to fight us and show us otherwise, the same thing we did vs the winners before us.

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Did Family have the largest number of remaining players after everyone left?
Yes

We have new players too you know, brought ppl here from other servers to show em how much better is AoP vs the other grindy servers. Maybe its time for you to do the same ?

As for everyone left is beyond stupid at this point when we actually are getting higher onlines in weeks and really had 11 Family vs 14 laws+tecs which is almost at same size of ZC battles that we had at the beginning with 300 online players. So players are actually coming to play this server which shows a lot, we are doing our part, the question is what are you doing except being a pessimist and trying to tell ppl that most players left ?

As for nuka caps ''balance'' , I personally used special nukas maybe 3-4 times and only once used blue nuka that I looted from ramons body, so effects balancing I am not sure but I see no much abusing from it so dunno didn't see anything too op from it. As for best implementation is to make them buyable from faction merchant with your pvp caps so the rest of us who have allergies to npcs can use them too. As for the price I am not sure whats the cap balance most players have but I would say for somewhere around 3000 fcaps would be good but not sure.   
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 02, 2016, 02:44:45 AM
Is Colored Nuka Cola stupid?
yes
Is Blue Nuka Cola broken?
yes, it was made literally as a sanic meme. I don't think anyone expected them to be used. Run speed without consequence is OP.

I completely disagree with you here. You didn't even explain how they're "broken"

You don't become invincible, you don't become high AC troll, 99% DR, 0 bleed, 100% suppression resistance (not completely sure, haven't tested). I believe everyone is forgetting the fact that people can still die (http://i.imgur.com/wRnYUSV.jpg) while under nuka's influence.

Take Red Nuka - Basically sugarman yourself
Take Yellow Nuka - Yeah you take some hits but once it wears off, you're dead due to bleed
Take Blue Nuka - Yeah you run like flash but still the same everything other than run speed. Only thing Melee + Blue nuka combo is devastating but not everyone is using this in PvP. Since now everyone has an abundance of legendary's, blue nuka's are pretty much the Run-A-Way Nuka now, just like VooDoo is the Run-A-Way Drug. Blue Nuka is the perfect counter to people running away with voodoo, just like in my video, matthew would have kept running and I would have kept chasing till he got winded and same results would have happened.

The only reason there is an abundance of them, is because a very select few autists on an already diminished server population are grinding pve gear still. These autists are able to do so unopposed because nobody cares to stop them. Nobody else does dungeons regularly so the fact that dungeons are open for PvP doesn't effect anything.

It's open for anybody, anyone can farm them and they just don't want to. You say nobody cares to stop them, even though they have the ability to go out and get the nuka's themselves but rather just cry to nerf it for those players that actually spend time to acquire these nukas. And funny how you call the few remaining players of such a great server "autists" that actually just play the game. Majority of these players are their first FOnline, can't blame them if they like AoP.

 
Do some Nuka effects need to be rebalanced?
 Absolutely. The idea of special nuka cola isn't new, but its fun and should be worked into a state that is more meaningful and reasonable.

**Waits for suggested changes**

Will it be fixed before wipe?
Maybe, probably not. The problem will address itself with a larger player base. With only a few special caps dropping per dungeon, there likely won't be many horded when there are more than 3 people trying to do dungeons.

Hell, you're not even guranteed special nuka caps when you clear a dungeon. Sometimes they just don't spawn. And if AoP had larger player base, I can just see the PvP happening over these Nuka caps in dungeons.

Did Family win server?
Nobody won server. Everyone got bored because there was no content.
Did Family have the largest number of remaining players after everyone left?
Yes

V-Tec ragequit after the rape confirmed? Completely irrelevant though. "You're going offtopic too stalker!!"  ::)
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 02, 2016, 03:26:23 AM
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...You assume too much xd "you're QQing, butthurt, going off-topic again!!!" Yeah yeah, don't take it up the ass ...
... Maybe if you got your ass off the forum and play the game more you'll know yourself but oh well, you'd rather be a certified IRC/forum warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯...
...V-Tec ragequit after the rape confirmed? Completely irrelevant though. "You're going offtopic too stalker!!"  ::)...

Wow, again and again. You are just clowning yourself.

I told you to drop the act and start thinking more carefully. Look what you just said :

And they are easy to get, yesterday I came from work, cleared polymer, looted and for some reason killing the bald guy last makes loot respawn and I ended up with 4 meme caps. It's possible to get them solo.

Hell, you're not even guranteed special nuka caps when you clear a dungeon. Sometimes they just don't spawn.

Take Blue Nuka - Yeah you run like flash but still the same everything other than run speed. Only thing Melee + Blue nuka combo is devastating but not everyone is using this in PvP. Since now everyone has an abundance of legendary's, blue nuka's are pretty much the Run-A-Way Nuka now, just like VooDoo is the Run-A-Way Drug. Blue Nuka is the perfect counter to people running away with voodoo, just like in my video, matthew would have kept running and I would have kept chasing till he got winded and same results would have happened.

It's almost as if you did the dungeon each time before posting here. First time, you get 4. Second time, you get 0.
The truth is you are just changing opinion every time just to have some pseudo argument with the next person.

Blue nuka perfect counter to voodoo ? What should I say ? You are just helping me here, thx I guess.
On one hand, Voodoo is a powerful consumable with high availability. On the other hand, Blue Nuka is a straight upgrade from Voodoo but with low availability. Which one do you think is more "powered" ? (without saying "over")

Also, numbers are nice. I don't use myself as an example since I'm the best forum warrior here.
Komrade : 3-4 Color Nukas with 1 Blue Nuka maybe you have more in base but that's fine
Stalker + Courier : 40+ Color Nukas and 20 Color Nukas for "decoration"
You should not feel targeted here, I just took your numbers for comparison that's all and you guys are in the same faction so don't fight.

We could start going off topic by talking about why do we have so many straight upgrade items when the game was supposed to contain only sidegrades when you reach tier 2. But let's not go there, old devs could wake up.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 02, 2016, 04:18:19 AM
Eehhh was gonna say something long but just realized how ignorant Niamak is on nuka xd

You say I'm changing my opinions when reality I'm just stating how nuka currently is in those quotes. Sometimes you get sometimes not, people use while others stash. People use to run away while others use to chase down.

Which one do you think is more "powered" ? (without saying "over") - must I even answer that? There's a reason why players have go through a small grind to get that advantage. A grind available to everyone and nobody attempts to.  I'm still waiting for you to suggest changes...seems like something that will never happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But I'll make it easier for you and suggestion some, even though it's fine as is.

- add effect similar to emp on screen  afterall you're moving fast and should be a blur
- reduce players overall hit chance by -35%. This way average will be 55-65% depending on perks and traits.
- Make user have 0 AP regen+ while moving under blue nukas influence

However with these negatives I will suggest more positive
-give player high armor class
-last 5-10 seconds longer
- immune to suppression?
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 02, 2016, 04:34:33 AM
Eehhh was gonna say something long but just realized how ignorant Niamak is on nuka xd

Well if you have nothing to say, you know what to do.

I'm still waiting for you to suggest changes...seems like something that will never happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Since you asked this many times, I will avoid the question very nicely by asking you : Why do you think the sentencing comes after the verdict in a trial ?
Also, another question : Why do I get called forum warrior by the person with more forum posts than me ?
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 02, 2016, 04:45:19 AM
You sure look like a nice roasted chicken without any argument left, only trying to go off-topic or throwing some butthurt, QQ, crying accusations.

Meanwhile I'm talking about nuka xd
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 02, 2016, 05:01:28 AM
Well, you were the one bringing up the roasting part. Looks like you do care after all.

Just look how you take things so personal, you try so hard to roast me when reality IDGAF   xd CD

Meanwhile, you are doing exactly what I want.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on March 02, 2016, 05:23:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-p1hiTkeTM

Only Butthurt makes players leave!!! Only Butthurt ... ask VVish how his character deleteing went on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJLSzsEjpWM
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 02, 2016, 10:25:36 AM
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/49647643.jpg)

Xddddd

It's like, Niamak can't handle agreeing with me xd

Butthurt? jealousy? Did I break your heart when I left Vtec and now want me dead?(how suff became ever since I left, he looked up to me for some reason xd, always asking me questions and schiesse). Dunno Niamak ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: BG Sexpert on March 02, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Is Colored Nuka Cola stupid?
yes
Is Blue Nuka Cola broken?
yes, it was made literally as a sanic meme. I don't think anyone expected them to be used. Run speed without consequence is OP.

I completely disagree with you here. You didn't even explain how they're "broken"

You don't become invincible, you don't become high AC troll, 99% DR, 0 bleed, 100% suppression resistance (not completely sure, haven't tested). I believe everyone is forgetting the fact that people can still die (http://i.imgur.com/wRnYUSV.jpg) while under nuka's influence.


Take Blue Nuka - Yeah you run like flash but still the same everything other than run speed. Only thing Melee + Blue nuka combo is devastating but not everyone is using this in PvP.



 
Do some Nuka effects need to be rebalanced?
 Absolutely. The idea of special nuka cola isn't new, but its fun and should be worked into a state that is more meaningful and reasonable.

**Waits for suggested changes**

Did Family win server?
Nobody won server. Everyone got bored because there was no content.
Did Family have the largest number of remaining players after everyone left?
Yes

V-Tec ragequit after the rape confirmed? Completely irrelevant though. "You're going offtopic too stalker!!"  ::)

1. You contradict yourself with your statement about blue nuka. It is devastating with Melee. When you voodoo you become winded after a while. There are no negatives from taking Blue Nuka. I don't need to explain to you the importance of move speed. You understand full and well; thats why you carry Blue Nuka around. Being able to move faster than everyone else without any malus is OP.

2. You seem to be under the misconception that I need to have a solution in mind, before recognizing a problem. Thats objectively wrong. I, and anyone else, can recognize that something needs fixing without knowing how to fix it.

Off the top of my head:
Blue Nuka reduces aiming time or reduced AP to fire while reducing drinkers AC.
With that functionality it would find more utility than "get away free" or "guaranteed chase down"

3.As for "V-tec Ragequit" I seem to remember a time when you were V-tec. You've found your way to pretty much every faction. Its not surprising that you've floated to whatever faction is on top.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Niamak on March 02, 2016, 11:12:02 AM
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Oh man, you sound mad, when you are going full on meme, emoticon, past remembrance, even involving other people in the mix like that.

I'm sorry if my few posts created such strong PTSD that you have to abandon all your integrity.

Also, I'm sorry but I don't care about your butthurt babbling since it doesn't add anything or have any value to this thread.

Please don't forget, we used to play in the same faction in Brahminboys also.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 02, 2016, 11:27:04 AM
lel Niamak, he got triggered xd 

@sexpert

1. Have you not read the changes I suggested? True that blue nuka and melee is a good combo, just like black nuka and 40mm incendiary grenade. I guess (IMO) would be lowering Dr protection to 20? with my other suggestion...this way players that use nuka would be risking being very easily killed while running away and vice versa when chasing.

2. Isn't the problem run speed is op without any malus? (What you think)

I could write a whole page on my faction history with good reasoning but let's not get into that.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: BG Sexpert on March 02, 2016, 11:36:34 AM
lel Niamak, he got triggered xd 

@sexpert

1. Have you not read the changes I suggested? True that blue nuka and melee is a good combo, just like black nuka and 40mm incendiary grenade. I guess (IMO) would be lowering Dr protection to 20? with my other suggestion...this way players that use nuka would be risking being very easily killed while running away and vice versa when chasing.

2. Isn't the problem run speed is op without any malus? (What you think)

I could write a whole page on my faction history with good reasoning but let's not get into that.

1. Yes, I read some of the suggestions and I think they are pretty good ideas.

2. Yes the problem is run speed without malus.
As it stands, blue nuka is "better voodoo." With a malus it becomes "rare voodoo" and becomes redundant. This is why I believe it should have a different function entirely.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: antohha on March 02, 2016, 12:11:36 PM
Imho nukas are badly designed and should be removed from the game   :'(cause i dont want to farm them
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on March 02, 2016, 12:47:35 PM
it has a malus and its called -100kg which mean u cant loot entire corpses and just run away with 250 cw chars ...
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: John Porno on March 02, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
>hey how about we put in some random nukas for the factory level 2 map
>ok but lets make it as retarded as we can
>lol buff nukas there useless y wud any1 use them omg srsly
>memecolas op
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: cirn0 on March 02, 2016, 03:38:04 PM
Added a poll for public opinion.

On top of that, they will have cooldowns added.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: paragon on March 02, 2016, 06:19:34 PM
Holy fuck, do we decide based on polls now? Holy fuck. Holy fukc.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Teela on March 03, 2016, 03:28:29 AM
Nothing wrong with a poll to gauge the will of the People. This is why countries like Belarus, Turkmenistan and North-Korea have elections. Now its up to us to make the right decision.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: paragon on March 03, 2016, 05:15:06 AM
Ok, I need to call GlowThrotter here.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Stem Sunders on March 03, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
When coloured nukas were added I wasn't impressed.
They felt like troll items, items that I couldn't really get my hands on for lack of grinding time.

However, When they were added I thought they would be more prominently used in PVP, more than they have been.

I cant speak as to recent uses of the blue colas but adding a debuff such a winded does make complete sense to me. +1 to that.

"Sugar crash" - You're coming down, and it feels like you're moving through concrete. Adds winded effect.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: SnowCrash on March 03, 2016, 11:15:28 AM
Appart from the after effect, i think the time that the speed last should be lowered. So there is more risk
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Kurwier on March 03, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
Appart from the after effect, i think the time that the speed last should be lowered. So there is more risk

it was already lowered! there wasa time when it did last 2 min , so i think with some aftereffect it shud all be fine... cirn0 u can believe me , i told you whats best long before the poll and the poll just underlines it.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: MARXMAN on March 03, 2016, 03:55:33 PM
The only reason the nukas leave a bad taste in my mouth is it makes retreating impossible. There have been quite a few times when me and mates have decided on a tactical withdrawal from a fight only to be run down by the flash. That leaves me saltier than the bottom of a bag of pretzels when a well timed retreat is completely negated.
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Komrade on March 08, 2016, 05:18:25 AM
Blue nuka balanced

https://youtu.be/gLflWs4Cl2E
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 08, 2016, 08:43:59 AM
Why did you cut off the part where you got spawned camped by ghouls   :D
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Perteks on March 08, 2016, 09:04:36 AM
I love that adhd ants on start :D
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: Komrade on March 08, 2016, 09:08:32 AM
Why did you cut off the part where you got spawned camped by ghouls   :D

Cause no need to keep feeding PTSD, also open ending ;)
Title: Re: Color Nuka
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 08, 2016, 02:11:58 PM
I just noticed, fuck is this bloke doing

(https://media.giphy.com/media/HTeCRytCwOShq/giphy.gif)

1080p quality