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Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet [ Lobby Sample ]
« on: January 26, 2015, 01:05:12 AM »

Hello. If you start the game now, you'll probably meet the equipment problem: not many of the players are doing assignments, dungeons or something else to get stable income. But don't be sad! There's a solution: spears!

Well, basically, only type of the spear: serrated spear.

Yays:
+ There's no hit chance for spear: it's always 100%. Take Fast Shot.
+ Your maximum range is >45 hexes (I believe virtually unlimited). It's more than average PKS range! (although it works only if target doesn't move / move in line with you, which happens pretty often)
+ Your average damage is 110 HP per 48 AP on full tank character. 2 spearmen working together will kill anyone in around a second if he doesn't move. 220 HP average per second!
+ Even if you miss, you will cause enemy to lag, so he shuffles couple of hexes back and decrease movement speed. Great time to use 2nd spear, you won't miss anymore!
+ You don't need to spend many points for primary skills: throwing is capped at 200. You'll be able to be a perfect medic in the same time! At level ~45 you'll also can have 200 of sneak! Forget primaries, they are for noobs only!
+ Full tank in Scavenged Power Armor? use unaimed for 32 AP and hit it for 60+ HP each time! It's not worse than any other anti-PA weapon, and it's just a standard tier 1 spear! Technology is for weak!
+ You can aim! And there's no aim time! This is the only weapon which is so cool and ranged in the same time in the game!
+ You can crit with spears! Cripples, bypasses, winded and disoriented, knockdowns and knockback - you'll do it all!
+ You'll laugh at stupid grenadiers! Thousands years of evolution, and they still drop grenades out of the hand and utility slots each throw! There's no grenade which can compare its damage output to your spears! Evolution is a lie! Actually, not even antimaterial sniper rifles will be able to make so much damage!
+ I even believe it's the only weapon without Area Of Effect which you can hex shoot. Isn't it the property of chosen by Gods weapons!
+ No weapon condition! All those crap: power armors, gatlings, avengers: they all get broken in the end. Your spears will remain forever and never jam!
+ You look sexy when have a spear equipped
+ And, of course, spears are cheap!

Nays:
"- Really, there's just no for such price"

But wait, it's not over yet. Wanna be real cool? There's an answer for this if you're spearman: a plasma spear. It cost around 170, it takes 10 SEC per throw, they do not stack so you can't throw two from one slot instantly... but... who cares if you can do 200+ damage with 1 on full tank character? And you can throw 2 instantly, just use utility slot or second hand! 400+ damage per 1 sec, and next one could be 200+ again as soon as you regen your 48 AP! And not need to care, nobody will pick up your bloody spear, they don't know which one hit them!
Also they cost no AP to reload!

Best tactics and applications of the spears: spears will always hit in close range except when the target is running perpendicular to throw line. Remember, no chance to hit! Take 2 spearmen inside the room, equip plasma spears and insta kill everyone who's trying to enter with 400+ damage! They have no time to hit you, so run all your aggressive modules like -weapon AP cose (less than 48 AP now!), +AP regen, +15 AP for killing and you can hold the whole v-tec swarm outside of 1 door with just 2 people!

And again, about v-tec. Do you remember those blue-colored dumb asses, which run around with gatlings and turbo plasmas? Just imagine, even the ZC legend suff is going to run as Forrest Gump, as soon as he see your spear. And now, even if v-tec swarm manages to overcome you 10vs1, they will get NOTHING? Your Metal Armor and 20 spears? They'll be pissed up as fuck, they just have spent more money on drugs and ammo, than they get from you!

Also don't forget to take your super sledge, to make it insured ;)

Now, why do I say that spears are cheap?
Very easy: people don't really bother to collect them. And NPCs use them a lot. Just an example:
Spoiler for Hiden:
Don't forget: each spear can be stacked on the ground, so it's more than just one in one pile.



Now for all others, what do if you meet a spearman in game? Just run. Really. there's no way you can win this. There's no sense to try and risk everything you have to get 20 spears.
But, oh, wait, don't run in line, you just can't. Spear will reach reach you anyway.

Probably, the best you can do is to start sciencing your equipment. At least, I'm going to do exactly this.

Now being serious:
Such weapon characteristics make game aggressively unrealistic and not intuitive. Linked to broken economy balance, very frustrating. If I would be a new player and would meet a spearman while equipped with my assault rifle, obviously dying without a chance, I'd probably not play the game after it.
I really don't like to see before-human-history weapons to be competitive with last and best technological weapons and often be much better them.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2015, 10:48:46 AM by cirn0 »
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2015, 03:07:35 AM »


Gathering time is a cost.

Anyway, i think we all agree that NPC should grab them.
My feet start to get rusty after walking on spear so many times.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2015, 03:48:46 AM »

Wow, that's detailed, thanks for that, let's stick that thing.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2015, 03:55:44 AM »

me speer hit harda

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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2015, 06:32:55 AM »

paragon when u post such things be decent to point out the cons and some of your numbers are missleading
if you want to give advice to players to start spearman do it right beacuse what u have posted is cunt rant not tip
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 06:43:19 AM »

who murdered you recently paragon troli or imakandi ???
or u bear grudge from long time now u just outburst ?
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2015, 06:44:56 AM »

who murdered you recently paragon troli or imakandi ???
or u bear grudge from long time now u just outburst ?
no he cant be murderd cuz my speers on him crit do 60dmg and when i tested on imakandi it does 110 like on all people (whitout baypas) so stuff cheating or i think so

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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2015, 06:45:10 AM »

Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2015, 06:48:40 AM »

Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2015, 06:51:00 AM »

who murdered you recently paragon troli or imakandi ???
or u bear grudge from long time now u just outburst ?
no he cant be murderd cuz my speers on him crit do 60dmg and when i tested on imakandi it does 110 like on all people (whitout baypas) so stuff cheating or i think so

Try testing again with psycho and damage converted to bleed leadership module.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 06:52:46 AM »

we did thet, meybe we just got bad lucky numbers cuz i fired like 5 speers for test

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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2015, 07:16:58 AM »

Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?

cuz some rants come from the privileged
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2015, 07:45:34 AM »

lets dispel some bullshit posted there
serated spear max potential range is 35 hexes "usable" for aimed atack 26 but... u only can hit after good amount of practice in the range 10-20  any sidestep nulifies spears at all

for lagging after miss.... where did you came with dat from ??? me and trolie duel alot and never observed such beahavior but cant say for sure this is not 100 percent tru 

no aim time it true BUT u have projectile travel time and it is not so fast btw it is prety dodgable even under 10 hexes
hex shooting spear used to negates crit modifiers

100 chance to hit ??? means it hits first target in the way so u can cover behind tanks or anyone  ,it is weapon dat needs alot of practice not to gut allies (there is implaer perk dat give piercing but it is extremly awkward and is more danger to teammate than anything)

at best u can yeld 2 atacks per ap pool

u pointed out that spearman is tank , yes it is so is melee , bg dudes , any burster can be perfect tank

cheap to uphold beacuse of the spears u can gather ??? everything can be gathered in core
everyone can run in metal armor or cmb1 so this is preference

everyone can invest in medic skills and everyone does

spears are unusable junk to you ??? well your mg and plasmas are unusable junk to me
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2015, 08:07:20 AM »

Well you can't compare still since you don't know what build paragon was using (perks, CHA). So do some more thorough testing before accusing people of cheating.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2015, 08:14:53 AM »

Why is this thread sticky, by the way ?
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2015, 08:21:36 AM »

lets dispel some bullshit posted there
serated spear max potential range is 35 hexes "usable" for aimed atack 26 but... u only can hit after good amount of practice in the range 10-20  any sidestep nulifies spears at all

for lagging after miss.... where did you came with dat from ??? me and trolie duel alot and never observed such beahavior but cant say for sure this is not 100 percent tru 

no aim time it true BUT u have projectile travel time and it is not so fast btw it is prety dodgable even under 10 hexes
hex shooting spear used to negates crit modifiers

100 chance to hit ??? means it hits first target in the way so u can cover behind tanks or anyone  ,it is weapon dat needs alot of practice not to gut allies (there is implaer perk dat give piercing but it is extremly awkward and is more danger to teammate than anything)

at best u can yeld 2 atacks per ap pool

u pointed out that spearman is tank , yes it is so is melee , bg dudes , any burster can be perfect tank

cheap to uphold beacuse of the spears u can gather ??? everything can be gathered in core
everyone can run in metal armor or cmb1 so this is preference

everyone can invest in medic skills and everyone does

spears are unusable junk to you ??? well your mg and plasmas are unusable junk to me

I can hit in 46 hexes. Did it today. If you actually read, you'll see that I said target must stay or move in your line.
"for lagging after miss...." - well known in Fonline and from testing.
I can throw spear 3 spears per 100 AP. If you can't, you obviously sux with spears.
Show me how you gather gatling in the core. But, nvm, let's just compare: I'll be collecting spears, and you'll be collecting _any other_ viable ZC weapons, and we will count who collected more in 5 minutes. We can even duel afterwards (I'll use spears) to see how viable they are.
Show me how you gonna invest 250 points in primary and 200 in 2 two secondaries.

I don't see how everything else you said is connected to my post.

But nvm, I'm gonna continue:

+ Projectile speed of the spear is higher than projectile speed of Plasma Cannon! And we really don't care, that plasma cannon is only buyable tier 3 weapon which all true spearmen actually collect in the core, because all plasma cannon users will drop their weapon and start running away having a spearman in sight!
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2015, 09:15:30 AM »

45 hexes u can throw snake spear for gigantic ap cost unaimed and for joke dmg cuz snake spear is joke    serrated u cant do 45 hexes stop the lies
u can yeld almost 3 aimed groinshot if you are in -ap armor , brof, fastshot , and maxed -ap module
and dat configuration of perks and traits is viable for any weapon not just spears u can do 2 aimed asr shots dat way from 80 hexes
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2015, 09:18:37 AM »

Don't worry cirn will nerf all your favorite weapons.
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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2015, 09:20:42 AM »

45 hexes u can throw snake spear for gigantic ap cost unaimed and for joke dmg cuz snake spear is joke    serrated u cant do 45 hexes stop the lies
u can yeld almost 3 aimed groinshot if you are in -ap armor , brof, fastshot , and maxed -ap module
and dat configuration of perks and traits is viable for any weapon not just spears u can do 2 aimed asr shots dat way from 80 hexes

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Re: Weapon of poor or why are you not spearman yet
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2015, 09:29:21 AM »

I can only do 2 aimed shots whit full ap whit brof not aiming eyes, you cant even 3 unaimed 1 is 34ap but trow animation last some sec so afer 2 you regen 8 so you can 3 in a row
only good speer is sarated other sux or are broken
ramon enveded my speers from <5 hexes just moving sideweys so if you play smart you can eazy envede
for me speer shoud be high dmg but skillshoots based
and cirn0 (cuz paragon probably wont support this) shoud fix hex trowig so i can hex trow aimable

paragon set speer dmg to 2hp meybe you feel better for some time

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