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Title: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 03, 2014, 10:07:23 PM
In the video showed wounded/dead people, be advised.

Video called "1st October, Children went to the school"
http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=16399654&id=170019112&hash=021d12aa48377792&hd=1

P.s. I can't vouch for the date and place. Information war is never ended, don't believe everything you see/hear without a check.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Gimper on October 03, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
What am I seeing? I don't understand what happened. A terrorist attack or something?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 03, 2014, 10:22:06 PM
What do you know about the situation in there in whole?

Army of the Ukraine strikes with artillery at the school and bus stop in the first day of school semester located in "separatists" Donetsk Republic (former eastern territory of Ukraine)
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 03, 2014, 11:08:06 PM
WWIII is happening.  War against Ukraine and Russia. ISIS vs a lot of other countries.  Terrorist in Africa. And a bunch of others I forgot about.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 03, 2014, 11:09:51 PM
Not sure if I need to delete this before an army of hypocrites will flood this topic or not.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 04, 2014, 03:19:48 AM
Do you really think this kind of prevention is worth the moderator?...
I become even more afraid of the conspiracy censorship at this forum now.

Global moderators, if you want to be fair with forum members, you need to define the set of rules you're working by. If "Global moderator is allowed to delete any message / thread by his will which he finds dangerous", I think I'll stop using this forum and go private with people.

But I do not mind if you lock it. Can't see if I can make it myself now.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 04, 2014, 04:32:58 AM
I won't lock or delete anything, and even move.
As long as this topic won't get a full-out holly-war that is, at the very least.
Which I hope it doesn't.
Riddle me this: I'm from the same country you are, I share the same ideas you do. I used to do the very same thing on other forums\chats, even with relatives. None of that ended in a good way...
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 04, 2014, 07:35:07 AM
"I used to do the very same thing on other forums\chats"

I'm not quite sure what do you mean
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Deathproof on October 04, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
So guys, as someone from balkans I would really like to get true insight on that matter.

Did the part of ukraine separated legally in democratic way (with majority of people signing petition/referendum, as in wanting it) or it was fixed by russian politicians ?

Or minority of pro-rus people made this whole mess and have overpowered population with help of russia ?

P.S. Its important to say, we're talking about political games here, not everyday regular people when using terms ukranian and russian.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: dillinger on October 04, 2014, 10:48:14 AM
I live in border rus-ucr - pro-western nazi(like terrorist from islamic khaliphat) killing peoples in Donbass from launchers and missile, domestic peoples formed army against and defense freedom and families, about 700 000-1 000 000 peoples escape from Ucraine to Russia. My friends(we are studied in universitet, now we are 31-33 years old) now in civil militia fight against nazi.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Feervich on October 04, 2014, 11:22:57 AM
All the injured men look to be bald, grey haired, or have beards. I doubt parents are sending kids off to school in a war zone.
or maybe its a symbolic title. Do your schools start on October 1st?
Western media (fucking terrible sources) is really spinning this conflict against Russia. More so after being busted for having troops in Ukraine. Interesting to see takes that are pro-Russia, or freedom fighters, or terrorists, or whatever you feel they are.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 04, 2014, 11:27:31 AM
Schools supposed to be open at 1st September. They didn't because of war actions.
Next official date became 1st October. And then artillery stroke. That's why it's called so.

Information war never ends. Go and ask people personally if you want to know the truth.

Current world politics system is one to blame for people deaths.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Deathproof on October 04, 2014, 11:58:44 AM
Current world politics system is one to blame for people deaths.

As someone who was born into civil war at balkans I'll tell you this. Its the people too blinded, poisoned and stupid to realize they're giving their lives, killing people and burning homes for politicians who started the war. There has never been time in history without war, because we all are too easily persuaded to the fact that someone else doesn't deserve to live because of the different views.

That being said, I really wish someone here personally would give me more insight as dilinger did. I don't like to jump to conclusions when it comes to war, as the media too easily manipulates facts for its needs.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 04, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
You want insights? I have some.
There is(was) a wealthy family, some relatives of mine, living in Ukraine, Kiev. I've visited them a couple of years ago.. When shit hit the fan we were chatting via skype almost every day, that way I knew everything days before it was on our Russian channels.
They can't do anything, their youngsters WANT war, they were brainwashed that hard, that they can't do anything against it. That family had a son, now he's somewhere there, and in his place there is a letter, in which it's basically written "MIA, he was a brave man." And not even a place on where to look for his remains. (They even have the nerve to try forcing his 56y old father to replace his son's place)

I don't f-ing care who is right and who is not, sadly enough, none of us will be able to do anything with this non-proclaimed-war. People are dying there, and everyone is just like "Whelp, let's find who's to blame for this! Sure as hell not me! Whadda'ya think?". None of us will learn the truth anyway, and it won't really matter, lives will stay lost and country will stay damaged (if not destroyed by that time).

Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: good guy on October 04, 2014, 09:58:16 PM
war, war never changes since 9/11 America has continued to fight the war millions of lives are lost no one even cares about the civilians they only care about the ones who served, not the ones who were caught in the crossfire there will be peace but for now we can only hope this "world war" wont happen again
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 04, 2014, 10:25:15 PM
war, war never changes since 9/11 America has continued to fight the war millions of lives are lost no one even cares about the civilians they only care about the ones who served, not the ones who were caught in the crossfire there will be peace but for now we can only hope this "world war" wont happen again
what the fuck, you're blaming united states causing the deaths of civilians who aren't even involved in the conflict of Ukraine and Russia (military)

You sir just earned the dumbass award.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 05, 2014, 12:22:14 AM
Which military conflict between Ukraine and Russia? The heck are you talking about.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Sharky on October 05, 2014, 12:40:42 AM
Good thing. Hope the Ukrainians kill many pro Russian spies infesting their country. You're saying like it's a bad thing, it's the most glorious thing to give your life for your country and what you believe. Oh and ISIS is just a bunch of scattered radical muslim villagers they're a joke
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 05, 2014, 04:29:00 AM
what the fuck, you're blaming united states causing the deaths of civilians who aren't even involved in the conflict of Ukraine and Russia (military)

You sir just earned the dumbass award.

Tell me more about "not being involved".
At least, Information war creating unstable situation and force hate and negative relation. Including pure lies from NATO/president administration.
Much probably, presence of the teachers / officers and combat equipment in the territory. (I don't remember much conflict places it hasn't been in).

Cold war never stopped. War money never sink.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: dillinger on October 05, 2014, 05:30:03 AM
war, war never changes since 9/11 America has continued to fight the war millions of lives are lost no one even cares about the civilians they only care about the ones who served, not the ones who were caught in the crossfire there will be peace but for now we can only hope this "world war" wont happen again
what the fuck, you're blaming united states causing the deaths of civilians who aren't even involved in the conflict of Ukraine and Russia (military)

You sir just earned the dumbass award.
(http://s7.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2014/10/69d680591f8848d4135c03ca346dfac9.jpg) (http://hostingkartinok.com/show-image.php?id=69d680591f8848d4135c03ca346dfac9)
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: John Porno on October 11, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
I've been following the german and russian mainstream media as well as german alternative media ever since the whole crimea thing started, and the picture I get is this:

1: It's a fact that the Obama administration has used the cia and many ngo's to fund or otherwise support the maidan protests. It's been proven that the massacre on maidan was not done on order of Janukovitch but instead carried out by mercenaries, previously trained on polish grounds by american officials.

2: Criminal oligarchs like kolomoisky are actively being supported, people like jazenjuk were carefully chosen as marionettes to prepare the country to be robbed more easily by the banks, the imf and the world bank.

3: The right sector and swoboda are overrepresented, having 4 ministers as well as the general attourney while only having about 1% of the people's support in the elections.

So much about the revolution, now about the war.

The last numbers I heard about 2 weeks go from probably the one and only german journalist reporting from inside the donbass (Mark Bartalmai) over 30.000 regular ukrainian troops died, with over 3.500 civilians dead in the eastern region. His resumee was that the poorly trained and under-equipped soldiers, who were forced into the war by threatening them with 8 years of prison if they didn't go, are losing their lives very fast while international (blackwater) as well as local mercenary bands (kolomoisky's private army) are terrorizing the people on the kiev controlled lands.

Mark Bartalmai has filmed the above mentioned attack on the school and has also filmed mass graves with hundreds of bodies of males, females and children, not in uniform, with bound hands and signs of torture. On Kiev controlled territory.

While nothing can be ruled out completely, he has not witnessed any accounts of weapons being smuggled through the russian border. However, he has been filming separatist troops, driving away kiev forces, leaving behind positions with incredible amounts of gear and ammo. He has also filmed buk and grad systems, abandonded by kiev forces and captured by separatists, meaning that they dont even need russian gear.

On the other hand, the claims that russia is supporting the separatists can't be denied either. From a german former journalist and government consultant, I've heard that the russian military is basically granting leave to personell who wants to cross the border and help the separatists while they could of course just prevent that. The "joke" about russian soldiers taking a vacation trip to ukraine actually seems to be true, but the point is that it's not "endorsed" by officials at all.

About the crimea secession:
While the mainstream media keeps saying that russia "annexed" crimea and that it infringed international law, there are also experts and professors that argue against it, declaring it a "secession" which was completely legitimate and in accordance with the law of nations. All the military personell that was present on crimea was allowed to be there since russia had treaties with ukraine, allowing like 10.000 or 20.000 soldiers to be stationed there to guard sevastopol. Not a single shot was fired and there are reports of OSCE election observers not finding anythign wrong with how the election went down.

About MH17
I dont want to dive into conspiracy theories here, but both Mark Bartalmai as well as OSCE officials stated repeatedly that they were freely able to enter and check out the crash site while at the same time, no official from the netherlands or malaysia was to be found. There have been reports,not just from mark bartalmai, that a lot of osce missions as well as aid convoys and journalists are being fired at while still on kiev controlled territory. When the news say it is not safe enough to send anything in it sounds like the separatists are shooting them but it's actually the other way around. Bartalmai has lost 3 members of his team of 10 while escorting such a human aid transport throughout western ukraine.

I can give sources for what I've said here, though most of it would be in german.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: vodka on October 12, 2014, 09:23:40 AM
Looks like you watch absolutely prorussian "alternative" german media.
Check ViceNews. At least its impartial
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B)
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: dillinger on October 12, 2014, 01:40:40 PM
Looks like you watch absolutely prorussian "alternative" german media.
Check ViceNews. At least its impartial
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B)

LOLNews
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Deathproof on October 14, 2014, 07:32:07 AM
Basically, Yugoslavia all over again. Nice destabilization from westerns. Brainwashed youth, people dying for nothing. And in the end will come hate,regret and rebuilding.

Shame.....seems war,war never changes will never stop being relevant.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 14, 2014, 07:56:10 AM
Basically, Yugoslavia all over again. Nice destabilization from westerns. Brainwashed youth, people dying for nothing. And in the end will come hate,regret and rebuilding.

Shame.....seems war,war never changes will never stop being relevant.

Just as Wiedzmin's main morale will always stay true. We're all a part of a giant fk-up, so let's enjoy our own lives and ruin everyone else's!
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: catstevens on October 15, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
Looks like you watch absolutely prorussian "alternative" german media.
Check ViceNews. At least its impartial
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B)

From their first video description on page of the link you gave:
"Russia has invaded the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine and taken over its civilian and military infrastructure. VICE News is on the ground covering the conflict as it unfolds."

...

That didn't happen. At all.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 16, 2014, 03:56:17 AM
"Russia has invaded the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine and taken over its civilian and military infrastructure. VICE News is on the ground covering the conflict as it unfolds."

This actually was the first, main and only reason for me to not watch those videos.
Very strict direct declaration with strong words (invaded, taken over). Until they have an undisputed proof on it (and if they do, better to put a link on that proof right next to the declaration), it sounds just like another propaganda.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: vodka on October 16, 2014, 11:28:49 AM
Didnt happen? Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss&list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B&index=85

Anyway, if you really want find the truth, you should watch at situation from both sides.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: catstevens on October 16, 2014, 11:55:01 AM
Explain how that video shows russia "invading and taking over Crimea's military and civilian infrastructure". (Other than the on screen text that says so). By the way, did you see the turnout and vote percentages? By all accounts it was a fair vote. Crimeans overwhelming wanted to leave Ukraine, and I would too if a foreign-backed, nazi-integrated coup happened in my country.

Yes, you should examine all evidence and make decision for yourself. Here's what we have so far:

- US sponsored coup forms illegitimate new government in Ukraine

- people in east of ukraine don't recognize this violent coup which is integrated with neo-nazi groups

- new government and neo-nazi brigade begin shelling towns, murdering dissidents including a massacre is Odessa where people were chased into a building which was then set on fire so they could burn alive. Those who left the building were shot at.

- New government continues doing things 100x worse than old, deposed government ever did.

- Western leaders immediately recognize this unelected, violent criminal regime as the "sole legitimate representative of the Ukrainian people" (just like they did with the fundamentalist mobs that took over libya, which btw continues to be a hell on earth plunged into pure chaos, and the military weapon stores there were shipped to "rebels" in syria (now rebraned as 'isis' - great hollywood name - to try more destablization and regime change)

- After all this, news media calls it "russian aggression" and says "russia has invaded"

You idiot. Do you have any idea what an actual Russian invasion of Ukraine would look like? Do you even know what the word invasion means?

You ask the average idiot on the street whats happening and what will they say " Ukraine is in war with russia" . Thanks to dumb propaganda like VICE news pretending to be anything but mouthpiece of the power elite and war drummers.

edit: here, for your reading
How Can You Tell Whether Russia has Invaded Ukraine?

By Dmitry Orlov
September 01, 2014 "ICH" -  Last Thursday the Ukrainian government, echoed by NATO spokesmen, declared that the the Russian military is now operating within Ukraine's borders. Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't; what do you know? They said the same thing before, most recently on August 13, and then on August 17, each time with either no evidence or fake evidence. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

You be the judge. I put together this helpful list of top ten telltale signs that will allow you to determine whether indeed Russia invaded Ukraine last Thursday, or whether Thursday's announcement is yet another confabulation. (Credit to Roman Kretsul).

Because if Russia invaded on Thursday morning, this is what the situation on the ground would look like by Saturday afternoon.

1. Ukrainian artillery fell silent almost immediately. They are no longer shelling residential districts of Donetsk and Lugansk. This is because their locations had been pinpointed prior to the operation, and by Thursday afternoon they were completely wiped out using air attacks, artillery and ground-based rocket fire, as the first order of business. Local residents are overjoyed that their horrible ordeal is finally at an end.

2. The look of military activity on the ground in Donetsk and Lugansk has changed dramatically. Whereas before it involved small groups of resistance fighters, the Russians operate in battalions of 400 men and dozens of armored vehicles, followed by convoys of support vehicles (tanker trucks, communications, field kitchens, field hospitals and so on). The flow of vehicles in and out is non-stop, plainly visible on air reconnaissance and satellite photos. Add to that the relentless radio chatter, all in Russian, which anyone who wants to can intercept, and the operation becomes impossible to hide.

3. The Ukrainian military has promptly vanished. Soldiers and officers alike have taken off their uniforms, abandoned their weapons, and are doing their best to blend in with the locals. Nobody thought the odds of the Ukrainian army against the Russians were any good. Ukraine's only military victory against Russia was at the battle of Konotop in 1659, but at the time Ukraine was allied with the mighty Khanate of Crimea, and, you may have noticed, Crimea is not on Ukraine's side this time around.

4. There are Russian checkpoints everywhere. Local civilians are allowed through, but anyone associated with a government, foreign or domestic, is detained for questioning. A filtration system has been set up to return demobilized Ukrainian army draftees to their native regions, while the volunteers and the officers are shunted to pretrial detention centers, to determine whether they had ordered war crimes to be committed.

5. Most of Ukraine's border crossings are by now under Russian control. Some have been reinforced with air defense and artillery systems and tank battalions, to dissuade NATO forces from attempting to stage an invasion. Civilians and humanitarian goods are allowed through. Businessmen are allowed through once they fill out the required forms (which are in Russian).

6. Russia has imposed a no-fly zone over all of Ukraine. All civilian flights have been cancelled. There is quite a crowd of US State Department staffers, CIA and Mossad agents, and Western NGO people stuck at Borispol airport in Kiev. Some are nervously calling everyone they know on their satellite phones. Western politicians are demanding that they be evacuated immediately, but Russian authorities want to hold onto them until their possible complicity in war crimes has been determined.

7. The usual Ukrainian talking heads, such as president Poroshenko, PM Yatsenyuk and others, are no longer available to be interviewed by Western media. Nobody quite knows where they are. There are rumors that they have already fled the country. Crowds have stormed their abandoned residences, and were amazed to discover that they were all outfitted with solid gold toilets. Nor are the Ukrainian oligarchs anywhere to be found, except for the warlord Igor Kolomoisky, who was found in his residence, abandoned by his henchmen, dead from a heart attack. (Contributed by the Saker.)

8. Some of the over 800,000 Ukrainian refugees are starting to stream back in from Russia. They were living in tent cities, many of them in the nearby Rostov region, but with the winter coming they are eager to get back home, now that the shelling is over. Along with them, construction crews, cement trucks and flatbeds stacked with pipe, cable and rebar are streaming in, to repair the damage from the shelling.

9. There is all sorts of intense diplomatic and military activity around the world, especially in Europe and the US. Military forces are on highest alert, diplomats are jetting around and holding conferences. President Obama just held a press conference to announce that “We don't have a strategy on Ukraine yet.” His military advisers tell him that his usual strategy of “bomb a little and see what happens” is not likely to be helpful in this instance.

10. Kiev has surrendered. There are Russian tanks on the Maidan Square. Russian infantry is mopping up the remains of Ukraine's National Guard. A curfew has been announced. The operation to take Kiev resembled “Shock and Awe” in Baghdad: a few loud bangs and then a whimper.

Armed with this list, you too should be able to determine whether or not Russia has invaded Ukraine last Thursday.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 16, 2014, 12:04:20 PM
I laughed my ass off by watching that vid.
The line: "As you can see they are not responding nor wearing any insignia, but it's pretty clear, that they're Russian".
That... That's just.. sad.

*People are cheering with Russian flags*
"It seems like, people just sensed that the winds have changed".
This video wants me to grab a random video about Islamic terrorists showing millions of dead bodies, and just slap "It's pretty clear, they were terrorists and America stopped their evil-doing" subtitles all over it.

Also what the heck is wrong with it's title o_0:
Russia's Little Green Men Enter Ukraine: Russian Roulette in Ukraine (Dispatch 1)
Little green men? Russian Roulette? What?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: vodka on October 16, 2014, 12:24:15 PM
- US sponsored
-neo-nazi groups
-neo-nazi brigade begin shelling towns
-You idiot.
Enough. You won.

2 Myakot
Some unknown, heavily armed guys, blocking ukrainian military base, puts forward a proposal to disarm ukrainian soldiers.
This is not invasion, okay. What is this then?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on October 16, 2014, 12:33:08 PM
So did it happen after population voted on separation, right?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: vodka on October 16, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Public referendum was once  - 16.03
This video published 03.03

Btw im not dispute that the majority of population happy to join Russia
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Poor Ernie on October 16, 2014, 05:50:50 PM
A civil war? IT HAS TO BE WWIII!

This is ridiculous...
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: dillinger on October 18, 2014, 12:42:53 PM
(http://s7.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2014/10/10a3133503679cfe928ed5111ba43b9f.jpg) (http://hostingkartinok.com/show-image.php?id=10a3133503679cfe928ed5111ba43b9f)
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: The Brazilian Slaughter on October 20, 2014, 10:23:13 PM
I'm a nationalistic chauvinist, so which side winning is better for Brazil?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 20, 2014, 11:20:39 PM
I'm a nationalistic chauvinist, so which side winning is better for Brazil?
Nah, you are a simple human, each and every one of us is like that.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: The Brazilian Slaughter on October 21, 2014, 01:26:10 AM
I'm a nationalistic chauvinist, so which side winning is better for Brazil?
Nah, you are a simple human, each and every one of us is like that.

Well, some of us are racial supremacists/nationalists, others are ideological chauvinists, then there's religious supremacists and these weird people who believe in uniting all the globe under one-world government (thanks but I will pass). But yeah, we're all tribal in all our ways and frankly, that's how I like it.

On the plus side, we're having a election here in Brazil. Current president is pro-eurasian, pro-china and pro-russia and her competitor is more interested in dealing with Europe, USA and liberal south american countries on the pacific coast. So a Aécio Neves win is a (small?) strike against Putin, so if you root against Putin, root against Dilma Rousseff!

Huh, globalized world is sure wacky like that...
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Sharky on October 21, 2014, 12:30:43 PM
and the Russian paratroopers crossed the border on accident?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Myakot on October 21, 2014, 12:46:34 PM
and the Russian paratroopers crossed the border on accident?
Which border? That border with the Ukraine where for more than 10 years already there are russia-ukraine military bases? The Soviet ones? OUR border?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: John Porno on October 21, 2014, 12:54:25 PM
and the Russian paratroopers crossed the border on accident?
you mean this one military convoy this one guardian journalist said he saw which wasnt actually there but the kiev regime and major newspapers released that anyway and then when it turned out there wasnt any convoy at all, kiev said, well, there is none cause we already destroyed it, and then when noone found any wreckages and the russians denied it too, everyone just forgot about it.

Also,
>russian paratroopers
>not talking about american mercenaries
>or german soldiers
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: dillinger on October 21, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
and the Russian paratroopers crossed the border on accident?

hali gali para trooper nam s tobou bylo super
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: dillinger on October 21, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
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Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Voiddweller on June 10, 2015, 05:47:40 AM
Take one thing in consideration: Russia's government had only two options when ukrainian government were overthrown. Either annex as much territory as it can, or give everything up and wait until "peaceful protesters" will demand exclusion of Russian military garrison and naval base in key strategic point. Not to mention of any opposition.
Now Ukraine trying to enforce blockade on Crimea, and exploit any weakness or disagreements on peninsula.
Donbass is whole other story. It is tied to Russia industrially, and this bond is very strong. Like they build a lot of relatively cheap and quality heavy industrial parts and machines that can be sold only in Russia. Really. Not even in Poland and other eastern Europe. So, aside from all imaginary, or not so imaginary ideological threats from new government to people of eastern Ukraine, there is a HUGE economical treat for them if relationship with Russia become worse.
Worst thing that new ukrainian gov. is antagonising Russia economically from start, that was the main idea of "euromaidan" And without any suitable replacements for markets in Russia, Donbass would suffer greatly. Maybe even more than now.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Frost on June 10, 2015, 09:35:29 AM
WWIII is happening.  War against Ukraine and Russia. ISIS vs a lot of other countries.  Terrorist in Africa. And a bunch of others I forgot about.

don't be silly Isis in Syria and its already fighting the whole world they cant advance to Russia that way impossible oh also i forgite they fighting Irag to

+ Russia also against Isis
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: twat on June 10, 2015, 10:00:57 AM
you all know that the USA created ISIS therefore ISIS is an american terrorist group. We arrest many americans for allegedly leaving the country "to join isis"


All of these wars are paid for with TAX MONEY and government banks COUNTERFEITING MONEY

the governments are the enemy
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Frost on June 10, 2015, 10:12:07 AM
you all know that the USA created ISIS therefore ISIS is an american terrorist group. We arrest many americans for allegedly leaving the country "to join isis"


All of these wars are paid for with TAX MONEY and government banks COUNTERFEITING MONEY

the governments are the enemy

no  Isis is old terrorist group but it were weak they why none know anything about them in long time but when they showed up they were already advancing that why america fear them even the NATO leader talked about them do you know how much cost america for plans and other support to fight Isis ITS A Great threat to america to be honest and fighting america means you fighting the whole world
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: twat on June 10, 2015, 10:25:33 AM
Bro governments directly supply them with money and gear. Especially the US government. trust me dude the revolution is my life.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Voiddweller on June 10, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
I wonder what happens if EU really form their own independent military force, aside from NATO. Which is unlikely though. I like how Israel have their own self sufficient military, one of most advanced ones and with nuclear weapons. Whatever happens, they won't go quietly. Also have a great respect for a Kurdistan militia. One third female, equipped with junk, all their lives is a fighting for survival against genocide. And now ISIS... Crazy.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: twat on June 10, 2015, 12:59:18 PM
If the government reacts to a threat then it is protecting itself. No government in history has done a single thing to prevent tragedy to the people. That would be a paradox. Sad that people think of governments and businesses as if they were people. The people are mind controlled (the definition of government), so they passively allow "corporations" to be tried and punished INSTEAD of the people who operate them.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Voiddweller on June 10, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
If the government reacts to a threat then it is protecting itself. No government in history has done a single thing to prevent tragedy to the people. That would be a paradox. Sad that people think of governments and businesses as if they were people. The people are mind controlled (the definition of government), so they passively allow "corporations" to be tried and punished INSTEAD of the people who operate them.
True, but leading a ruling power is like leading a pack of hungry wolves. You show weakness or do mistakes, and you become their food. No matter how prosperous your country/corporation is, they will only get hungrier, because there is no limit for man's ambition and lust for power. There is no such thing as benevolent and philanthropic ruler. Even if they exist for some time, they will be swiftly labeled as weak and torn apart. Sometimes literally...
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on June 10, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
twat, did you say you're from Minnesota?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: twat on June 10, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
I am from minnesota. The only thing stopping liberty is ignorance. The ruling class manipulates the system so that the serfs depend on them to survive. Dependance and ignorance is not the natural state of people, they just learn it in school. US school is 90 percent the same as nazi youth camps.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Voiddweller on June 10, 2015, 02:42:09 PM
What about people who willingly choose to rely on others? Leadership is a talent that not everyone possess. And in many tough situations there must be a leader. But rulers and even elected local representatives is so distant from people, and we know nothing about them, except stuff that we have been told about them. We always vote blindly, not aware of any viable alternative.
And knowledge... It can't be absolute. Cannot be even close to cover every aspect of modern life. We need society to survive, and without anything or anyone to control this, there will be endless arguing about every little thing.
We may not need governments, but we still need leaders. We may not need crowds, but we still need society. We may not need armies and police, but we still must know how to protect ourselves.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: twat on June 10, 2015, 02:51:20 PM
What about people who willingly choose to rely on others? Leadership is a talent that not everyone possess. And in many tough situations there must be a leader. But rulers and even elected local representatives is so distant from people, and we know nothing about them, except stuff that we have been told about them. We always vote blindly, not aware of any viable alternative.
And knowledge... It can't be absolute. Cannot be even close to cover every aspect of modern life. We need society to survive, and without anything or anyone to control this, there will be endless arguing about every little thing.
We may not need governments, but we still need leaders. We may not need crowds, but we still need society. We may not need armies and police, but we still must know how to protect ourselves.

+1
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Frost on June 10, 2015, 03:01:34 PM
What about people who willingly choose to rely on others? Leadership is a talent that not everyone possess. And in many tough situations there must be a leader. But rulers and even elected local representatives is so distant from people, and we know nothing about them, except stuff that we have been told about them. We always vote blindly, not aware of any viable alternative.
And knowledge... It can't be absolute. Cannot be even close to cover every aspect of modern life. We need society to survive, and without anything or anyone to control this, there will be endless arguing about every little thing.
We may not need governments, but we still need leaders. We may not need crowds, but we still need society. We may not need armies and police, but we still must know how to protect ourselves.
you forgite about religion key of life and what we are really for

without it we are nothing
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Voiddweller on June 10, 2015, 03:08:32 PM
you forgite about religion key of life and what we are really for

without it we are nothing
We do not need religion, but we need faith.
Being overzealous automatons won't help us to achieve anything but ignorance, destruction and slow fall into oblivion.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Frost on June 10, 2015, 03:13:31 PM
you forgite about religion key of life and what we are really for

without it we are nothing
We do not need religion, but we need faith.
Being overzealous automatons won't help us to achieve anything but ignorance, destruction and slow fall into oblivion.
then we have no difference from animals live our lives to survive for nothing at all without even think what we really made to

survive and survive for what??
that what im talking about
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Voiddweller on June 10, 2015, 03:26:43 PM
Religion is just a prosthetic for faith, an instrument of power for a few. A way to enforce their will. Hiding behind religious dogmas they manipulate crowds and wage wars.
And what's wrong with animals? They are not "lower" than us, most mammals have their own will, their own emotions. And they have their own purpose. If humanity will die out someday, some other species will take our place. That is the creator's will. Human species are not special.
We all just a spark from the great fire of life.
And nothing in this world can stop you from thinking about your purpose, or purpose of a human race, or whole life, or ultimate purpose of our universe. Do you really need religion for that? I didn't say one should toss it away, but following it blindly is much worse than not taking it into consideration.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: John Porno on June 11, 2015, 07:07:03 AM
no  Isis is old terrorist group but it were weak they why none know anything about them in long time but when they showed up they were already advancing that why america fear them even the NATO leader talked about them do you know how much cost america for plans and other support to fight Isis ITS A Great threat to america to be honest and fighting america means you fighting the whole world
Didnt you hear about the CIA documents from 2012 they released like a week ago where they are saying themselves that an islamic state is possible and that we should pursue it and support it and that it wouldnt even be there without US help?

Get with the times man, thinking that ISIS being US made is a conspiracy is so 2014.

Also, religion is just an institution. People claiming that there wouldnt be any "faith" or any "morals" without christianity are kinda ehh. Everyone should have their own beliefs, just not institutionalized ones. Being spiritual is not synonymous with being religious.

edit: Heres the source for the isis thing, on the last page. The paper is from 2012
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: twat on June 11, 2015, 08:25:20 AM
yes. isis may be old, but the army is new.
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: John Porno on December 08, 2015, 02:34:17 PM
for all gopniki, hohols, blyadimirs and sukarovs out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnaByI5buCk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Kurwier on December 09, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
for all gopniki, hohols, blyadimirs and sukarovs out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnaByI5buCk&feature=youtu.be

whats dat ? i did know you werent a real german cyka blyat ... advertisment every 7 minutes FUCK OFF
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: paragon on December 10, 2015, 07:02:51 AM
for all gopniki, hohols, blyadimirs and sukarovs out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnaByI5buCk&feature=youtu.be

So you watched the report, found it in Russian and shared it? Mmm, why not English?
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: John Porno on December 10, 2015, 12:12:45 PM
I dont know if theres an english version of it, this link was shared by mark bartalmai right after it aired I guess and I posted it here
Title: Re: Civil war in Ukraine, 1st October, Kievsky District of the Donetsk [NSFW]
Post by: Komrade on December 10, 2015, 12:19:14 PM
That conflict is a gory and bloody joke, that costed thousands of ppl their lives.

It's fun that the ''war'' between the proxies stopped when both of their supporters USA/EU vs Russia  ''lost'' their interest in that conflict.

Syria is the next, much more interesting playground after all.