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[Stem Sunders]

Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:

Go make some math guys, compare values and then we talk.
Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:

Like I keep saying I don't do numbers, I appreciate the people that do.

You didn't lose battles to spears? Then why you dont like them?
Even if I'm wrong just replace that bit with whatever concern it was and everything else I stand by.

Why do you only pull out the tiniest little thing you can and bang on at that?
Please show me where assumptions of your personality were made.
I was speaking mostly hypotheticals, hence purposely leaving your name out because I'm not trying to make it an attack on you.

[nailbrain]

"Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:"

rly ? fokin megalomaniac

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

Why disabled science in core? Now I can't science shit items and I don't want to Hull them back to base :/

[PusiteGA]

"Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:"

rly ? fokin megalomaniac

hahahahahahahahhahaha

about science in core i think it shoud be more like if you in no pvp fight for more then 2 mins (or some other number) you can start science

[Count Matthew]

Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:

Go make some math guys, compare values and then we talk.
Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:

+1

[RazorRamon]

only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby

I thought that spears were too powerful too

But i also think that +15AP on all spears is overnerfing
Just tuning the damage to 80-90% would have been fine.

[nailbrain]

only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby

I thought that spears were too powerful too

But i also think that +15AP on all spears is overnerfing
Just tuning the damage to 80-90% would have been fine.

it is 20 on serated the only usable

[PusiteGA]

only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby

I thought that spears were too powerful too

But i also think that +15AP on all spears is overnerfing
Just tuning the damage to 80-90% would have been fine.

speer got dmg from mele so we took havy hand to add 20more dmg he could just removed havy hand adding dmg to speer if wnated to nerf anywey this nerf sux trowing 1 speer per AP is really bad, still think spears aren OP cuz you can easy envade just moving sideweys but alomst nobody does dont aks me why

[Komrade]

Kinda obvious incoming nerf after the crying paragon super sticky thread.
Whats obvious is that it took naossano months of whining to nerf the melee sneak while it took almost nothing for the spear nerf to be implemented. Also in case you didnt know  (: = butthurt

I partially support disabling science in the core, cause sciencing stuff in the core and getting experience from it is unrealistic in the way that the core is a dangerous place not some kind of lab where you learn stuff by disabling them and studying them. But breaking enemies weapons is a battle tactic and a very realistic too, something like sabotage.

A better implementation in my opinion would be to be able to ''science'' stuff in the core but no exp and no materials gained from it. Of course it would be better if its possible to code : using science on weapons inside the core makes them jammed and unfixable.   

Otherwise nice changes and additions.

[Anza]

Guys you have to realize that nerfs don't necessarily come from butthurt complains. If you try not to think about your personal char, you will be able to make the maths. I was one of the first to ask for leadership nerf, yet I was 10 cha / 200 leadership character since the beginning. For sneak melees I made a lvl 30ish 10 str bruiser heavy handed sneak char to see if it was op or not, despite having sneak tag on another char already. And I did exploit that OPness. So yes, you can think something is OP while playing it (you actually should be the best placed to know it's op) or without having being killed by sneak (as I have watchtower since ages I didn't get killed by sneak often). Lawyers have many melee builds with ssledge, still I said auto-KB was OP. So please don't all aggro on someone saying he said that because butthurt just because the build you like is nerfed.

Even though I didn't see spears as OP, I would definitely say it was very strong, big dam, no aiming time to cripple, bleeding etc. That nerf does not make it weak in ZC fights imo. A funny thing to see is that spears build was not very popular at start, only 2 BBs and few players using spears usually doing ZC. Then when people start to see how strong it was, lot of spears users appeared. So my question is Did people start to love the spear gameplay suddendly or did they just like the strength of that build ?  Same for ssledge 

still think spears aren OP cuz you can easy envade just moving sideweys but alomst nobody does dont aks me why

In a ZC fight, there are many situations where you can't move to evade, let's say you went into negative AP, or you are aiming to shoot someone, etc In the heat of a fight, you can easily find someone who is not moving

About the science in core, it will make the core cleaner as it was quite boring to see so many junk/components etc on the floor everywhere And it will make looting in the core longer to get resources so even if it's a big nerf to everybody's current gameplay, I think we'll get used to it ^^

[lvhoang]

Can anyone show me at least which battle did I lose against spears exactly? (:

Go make some math guys, compare values and then we talk.
Instead everyone is just obsessed with someone's assumptions about my personality (:

Like I keep saying I don't do numbers, I appreciate the people that do.

You didn't lose battles to spears? Then why you dont like them?
Even if I'm wrong just replace that bit with whatever concern it was and everything else I stand by.

Why do you only pull out the tiniest little thing you can and bang on at that?
Please show me where assumptions of your personality were made.
I was speaking mostly hypotheticals, hence purposely leaving your name out because I'm not trying to make it an attack on you.

Paragon/Suff you re a funny guy )))))
Stop being so butthurt, being so emotional will only make it easier for everyone to make fun of you my friend.

[paragon]

lvhoang, I know you're a spy, I'm not gonna listen to you.

[lvhoang]

you re way too much into this conspiracy theory man. But ok

[John Porno]

it just part of it, but I also saw when I watched smaller fights that spears have a big fear factor because the first gu to walk into a room with spearmen gets deleted. We have a couple of different setups competing in that <20hex range and it requires careful balance which wont be perfect this season as it's all gonna be changed again, anyway.

[nailbrain]

entering room with flamers has less fear factor john

[Stem Sunders]

it just part of it, but I also saw when I watched smaller fights that spears have a big fear factor because the first gu to walk into a room with spearmen gets deleted. We have a couple of different setups competing in that <20hex range and it requires careful balance which wont be perfect this season as it's all gonna be changed again, anyway.

Ohhh the "Fear Factor" I like that! I like that a lot.

What other weapons have a big fear factor attached guys?

Avengers are a given, I tend to steer clear of anyone wielding a ripper...You know who you are!

[PusiteGA]

i dont feer awengers i noticed alot of them can be weapon droped and cry

[Vector]

entering room with flamers has less fear factor john

+grenades

[Myakot]

From things I saw, spears just destroy any person that dares to deploy. (I require tactical-roll perk)

Anyway, I'm just happy that patches do even come out, it makes me feel that AoP is being treated with care.

[GREED]

I wonder where you guys got the delusion that decision processes like these should even be remotely democratic.

I'm quite sure this has been discussed thoroughly in some murky IRC backroom. As it should.

Not that it really matters anyways since things might as well change again next week.

I think its natural that community veterans who do tons of coding have a bigger say than forum trolls. (I'm not referring to you Stem Sunders )

Teela thanks for caling me troll, by the wey i did alot wiki before stalker droped me cuz bad grammar and i did some perk images
Why i think democratic cuz cirno opend 
"The Lobby
Here you can lobby for nerfs and buffs and other things that require a few minutes of tweaking."

only paragon complaint about speer OP all other people dident so whats point of the lobby

Funniest thing I've read, got dropped cuz bad grammar :')