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Community section => Challenges & Accomplishments => Topic started by: Smalltime on September 25, 2014, 11:16:31 PM

Title: PvP Discussion [S1]
Post by: Smalltime on September 25, 2014, 11:16:31 PM
This is a thread to reduce the clutter in the screen thread, but also for you to be able to discuss your triumphs and failures in greater detail.
I only ask that you keep your discussion here semi-civil. Minor namecalling will be tolerated, but don't get too personal.
Let the forum PvP begin!

Where is the fun if you only post victories?
http://youtu.be/j-dFmgWsHq4
Title: PvP Discussion
Post by: Grand Bill King on October 06, 2014, 11:56:20 PM
u need to post like 20 videos where v-tecs lose
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Simms on October 07, 2014, 02:38:16 AM
It more like your job. We have already understood how much this all means for you.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: C.H.A.R.L.I.E on October 07, 2014, 01:07:37 PM
u need to post like 20 videos where v-tecs lose

Lol y u mad?

Oh right ..

(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s604/DogsAtCards/lol_zpsb24edc14.jpg) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/DogsAtCards/media/lol_zpsb24edc14.jpg.html)

guy had like 700k caps on him  ;)

Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Smalltime on October 07, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
It has been unanimously agreed that it was a poor choice for a reward for an event.
If we have learned anything from Kink, it is that you should never drink and GM.


Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Kink on October 07, 2014, 01:56:31 PM
I make public apologize for this reward and the feeling that lot of you are sharing, as i told to some of you during the night, i'll never make such event again, nor other events without preparation.

The point is, it was about giving fun to players complaining the lack of contents in the game. I had other reward in mind at start. Last time i 've made this event, the only "accusation" i got was "there are not enough caps", "we didn't looted anything". In this case, caps were all around the maps, if one players get this amount, then so he looted people, who looted people, who looted people.



Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Hans Landa on October 07, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
I liked the event. Not sure why some people got pissed off.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: C.H.A.R.L.I.E on October 07, 2014, 03:01:16 PM
I liked the event. Not sure why some people got pissed off.
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s604/DogsAtCards/charlesBennetthatersgonnahate_zpsdeaf3ae2.jpg) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/DogsAtCards/media/charlesBennetthatersgonnahate_zpsdeaf3ae2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: AtomicWrangler on October 07, 2014, 05:15:29 PM
I'm considering making a companion topic for this one, to discuss this thread, and keep it clean just for screenshots and videos.

Yes. Give us "Forum PVP" topic. I need some funny reading when im bored at work.

I liked the event. Not sure why some people got pissed off.

(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s604/DogsAtCards/charlesBennetthatersgonnahate_zpsdeaf3ae2.jpg) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/DogsAtCards/media/charlesBennetthatersgonnahate_zpsdeaf3ae2.jpg.html)

 
 :D
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: paragon on October 07, 2014, 05:22:26 PM
I make public apologize for this reward and the feeling that lot of you are sharing, as i told to some of you during the night, i'll never make such event again, nor other events without preparation.

The point is, it was about giving fun to players complaining the lack of contents in the game. I had other reward in mind at start. Last time i 've made this event, the only "accusation" i got was "there are not enough caps", "we didn't looted anything". In this case, caps were all around the maps, if one players get this amount, then so he looted people, who looted people, who looted people.

We shared, what do you mean by that? We were in same VoiP and each group of players (there were 4) get his part, so actually nobody get more than 120k. And each group has up to 10 players, so what it, 10k for one? It's ok, I guess. Lawyers don't really need anything now, they are fully equipped for weeks of loosing, we are not. So I would actually say you made the pvp more competitive for some more time.

I enjoyed the event and have no idea what people think is wrong about it. Gain is decent, not game breaking at all, 3 big groups participated in several pvp fights, everyone had ability to get some caps from containers around the map (not only main groups fighting inside).

Event was great, the only problem is butthurt of someone who lost. If v-tech will butthurt at every time they die, lawyers would have no one to fight already.

Thanks for the event, Kink.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: BG Sexpert on October 08, 2014, 01:18:43 AM
One time I saw this Family BG character, Lucas Brasi. He was gluttonously looting at Polymer Labs, he had left all the doors open like a noob and didn't even notice me enter. I took aim and crippled his right arm. He tried in futility to shoot me and upon failing opted to run. I quickly shot him in the groin from behind causing him to be simultaneously winded and knocked out (because realism).

He must have assumed I was Russian because he started pleading with me to not kill him. I know this because he kept ending his messages with )). As he was typing I changed my aim to his head and ended the whole affair.

I didn't even take his gear. I just scienced it right on the spot. The cowardice of his character had sullied it.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Luca Brasi on October 08, 2014, 01:24:51 AM
There is no need to lie.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Lucas Brasi on October 08, 2014, 01:39:09 AM
One time I saw this Family BG character, Lucas Brasi. He was gluttonously looting at Polymer Labs, he had left all the doors open like a noob and didn't even notice me enter. I took aim and crippled his right arm. He tried in futility to shoot me and upon failing opted to run. I quickly shot him in the groin from behind causing him to be simultaneously winded and knocked out (because realism).

He must have assumed I was Russian because he started pleading with me to not kill him. I know this because he kept ending his messages with )). As he was typing I changed my aim to his head and ended the whole affair.

I didn't even take his gear. I just scienced it right on the spot. The cowardice of his character had sullied it.

Its true. It happened exactly like that ))
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 08, 2014, 01:41:42 AM
Impersonation! -50DKP
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Myakot on October 09, 2014, 04:27:01 AM
Only Russians use ')', it is known khaleesi.

I love the phrase 'shamelessly looting', this deserves a reward.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on October 09, 2014, 04:40:57 AM
Only Russians use ')', it is known khaleesi.

I love the phrase 'shamelessly looting', this deserves a reward.

My friend lives in Australia, we get to know each over with Internet, he use ')' as well, as he has some experience talking with Russians.
Actually, I guess, that many of people I know started to do it, if they spoke with Russians enough.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Deathproof on October 15, 2014, 10:32:40 AM
attackers:
- no door management
- no smokes
- no machineguns, no RLs, no plasma cannons
- no explosives/incendiary actually thrown INSIDE, only AROUND SOMEWHERE
defenders:
- a minigun
- a GL with all kinds of ammo
- good cqb equip (a flamer mostly)
It's more like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

So I don't spam the thread with pictures, yeah completely true. We came unprepared thinking we would get you by surprise, which turned into a big NOPE. I think there were like 12 family vs 7-8 Vtech, but we got defeat by pure tactics. I'm sure now stalker knows why sometimes camping the room is a viable tactic when facing team with more numbers. This is how family actually won those ZC's in beginning of the server, bunker up and prepare right weapons for it.This time we were utterly disorganized, our own fault. Well sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, it was a good fight, see you in phoenix ;)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Grand Bill King on October 15, 2014, 02:21:53 PM
A challenge was issued, and readily accepted.
http://youtu.be/6x2T3qa9m4w

lol have same numbers, better stuff and play vs trash famaly.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 15, 2014, 02:25:23 PM
lol have same numbers, better stuff and play vs trash famaly.
You should work on your counting.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: catstevens on October 15, 2014, 03:15:37 PM
uhhh do i really hear a gatling laser? Sun Tzu would be proud, camp room with gatling lazor and make video about it. very baddass, much skill

also I must be mssing something because family challenged you to fight them in PV yet it's you camping the room while they rush in?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 15, 2014, 03:47:41 PM
uhhh do i really hear a gatling laser? Sun Tzu would be proud, camp room with gatling lazor and make video about it. very baddass, much skill

also I must be mssing something because family challenged you to fight them in PV yet it's you camping the room while they rush in?
Ahh yes, the Gatling laser. A weapon that has thus far not been used effectively in ZC. It received a buff a couple patches ago, but no one dared to actually try it.
I'm glad you liked it.

As for the last part, we started getting ready late, they had moved to the next zone, so we restarted the capture on it and forced them into the attacking position. They took the bait, because they wanted a fight, and were overconfident due to their numbers.
When outnumbered (as I assumed at the time, didn't know they had 4 more than us,) it is best to have a plan.

and make video about it. very baddass, much skill
This part in particular made me laugh. I make videos of many things, including losses.
Nice memespouting, though.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on October 15, 2014, 03:51:32 PM
Video is cool, I like it, thank you for it.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: catstevens on October 15, 2014, 04:14:40 PM
nothing wrong with making video when you lose. It's a bit misleading though to say you responded to their challenge when you actually waited for them to leave so you could come camp a room with superior equipment. Then again if this is what makes u proud who am I to judge.

Other than that I liked the video itself, especially the beginning where the challenge is revealed, made me laugh

PS - family doesnt even use voice com and still beats you guys  without needing to camp room with t3.

V-tech: very badass, much skill
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Simms on October 15, 2014, 04:18:04 PM
Deathproof

My point was that such kind of defence is hardly even penetrable without the things I've mentioned. I'm pretty sure that, provided you'd prepared for it, chances would have been in your favour or at least even. You cannot exploit weak points of defence unless all the folks are on voice comms and know what exactly to do.

We vtecs did a great deal of attacking in ZC en masse with virtually no coordination back before the faction reshuffle a couple of weeks ago. It's like, out of 30 people in ZC 8 are on voicecomm 1, 5 are on voice comm 2 and other 17 are either lonely enthusiasts or completely random people having no idea of whats going on. Unless we are 4 to 1 in numbers, the assault is a disaster, 50% of each organized team retreat, others get killed one by one multiple times. The score gets hilarious. You can try to guide ppl via frac chat or squad chat, but it only adds insult to an injury.

A good thing is that virtually every player becomes much better and capable of performing some cool and useful stuff when you
a) have him on voice comms loud and clear
b) know what char he has and what stuff he wields
c) give him good understanding on what the team intends to do
d) remind him HOW NOT TO DIE from time to time :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 15, 2014, 05:47:15 PM
nothing wrong with making video when you lose. It's a bit misleading though to say you responded to their challenge when you actually waited for them to leave so you could come camp a room with superior equipment. Then again if this is what makes u proud who am I to judge.
They had moved on to capture another zone. There was no waiting, as soon as we noticed the messages, we geared up and headed out. We had the choice of walking into their firing lines at a disadvantage, or using our heads and putting ourselves in a superior position.
There is no highground for you to take here, we went to Bio lab and fought.
You are right though, we should bring pipe rifles next time, and lower ourselves.
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Other than that I liked the video itself, especially the beginning where the challenge is revealed, made me laugh
Thanks!
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PS - family doesnt even use voice com and still beats you guys
They don't.
Family never beats v-tech. They kill bluesuits at the gate occasionally. I guess if you call that a victory?
Family lacks equipment, lacks organization, and lacks experienced players. It's a sad affair.
Again, we didn't issue any challenges. I was actually busy fixing up that paradise valley DUNGEON everyone is waiting for, but had to put that on hold to go do this instead.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: mAdman on October 15, 2014, 07:30:58 PM

Family never beats v-tech.

I was in a group that beat back Vtech attacks 3 times in one day just a few days ago. We had no voice comms and only about 6 of us were actually well equipped.

Where's the videos of that? :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 15, 2014, 07:41:51 PM
I was in a group that beat back Vtech attacks 3 times in one day just a few days ago. We had no voice comms and only about 6 of us were actually well equipped.

Where's the videos of that? :P
Really? I hadn't heard about that. I don't think any of my platoon were there.
I'm actually glad to hear that it's not all losses for the family.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 15, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
I was in a group that beat back Vtech attacks 3 times in one day just a few days ago. We had no voice comms and only about 6 of us were actually well equipped.

Where's the videos of that? :P
Actually you're suppose to be the one that records the video if you beat V-Tec, or a screen at least
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on October 15, 2014, 08:37:21 PM
Heres one that made me feel good, and another that made me feel bad.
Because why only count the wins eh?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: catstevens on October 15, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
I was actually busy fixing up that paradise valley DUNGEON everyone is waiting for, but had to put that on hold to go do this instead.

dungeons sux

I was in a group that beat back Vtech attacks 3 times in one day just a few days ago. We had no voice comms and only about 6 of us were actually well equipped.

Where's the videos of that? :P

This did happen, there werent that many online though.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: mAdman on October 16, 2014, 02:36:26 AM
The street fight in gunrunners was one of the funnest I've been involved with, but I am not sure how many were on each side, we managed to miraculously pull in about 8 randoms to join us, hence why our numbers were so high, and they surprisingly all seemed to follow orders from the leader, which was a nice change too. :D

That kind of stuff is extremely rare in the family.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on October 19, 2014, 03:24:34 PM

Family never beats v-tech. They kill bluesuits at the gate occasionally. I guess if you call that a victory?
Family lacks equipment, lacks organization, and lacks experienced players. It's a sad affair.
Again, we didn't issue any challenges. I was actually busy fixing up that paradise valley DUNGEON everyone is waiting for, but had to put that on hold to go do this instead.


Stop being such a wank, wasn't it only like 4 or 5 days ago that family SHUT down Vtecs gate for an entire day? We annihilated several of your squads.  And we never beat Vtec?  Please.


Already posted a couple of these, but point stands.  Vtec is full of themselves.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 19, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
Family never beats v-tech. They kill bluesuits at the gate occasionally. I guess if you call that a victory?
Stop being such a wank, wasn't it only like 4 or 5 days ago that family SHUT down Vtecs gate for an entire day? We annihilated several of your squads.  And we never beat Vtec?  Please.
Already posted a couple of these, but point stands.  Vtec is full of themselves.

You prove me wrong by posting screenshots from events that happened after I made that post? I'm not an omniscient lord of time, don't be melodramatic. You guys genuinely showed up in force to camp the gate that time, I'll give you credit for that. Shut it down for an entire day? That has never happened.

Previous to that, family very rarely showed up with more than three people after mazrum got bored and lidae's lightbringers ragequit (both of which were in that ZC SS.) The statement still stands, as your only actual victories without them is camping gates.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on October 19, 2014, 04:16:56 PM
Family never beats v-tech. They kill bluesuits at the gate occasionally. I guess if you call that a victory?
Stop being such a wank, wasn't it only like 4 or 5 days ago that family SHUT down Vtecs gate for an entire day? We annihilated several of your squads.  And we never beat Vtec?  Please.
Already posted a couple of these, but point stands.  Vtec is full of themselves.

You prove me wrong by posting screenshots from events that happened after I made that post? I'm not an omniscient lord of time, don't be melodramatic. You guys genuinely showed up in force to camp the gate that time, I'll give you credit for that. Shut it down for an entire day? That has never happened.

Previous to that, family very rarely showed up with more than three people after mazrum got bored and lidae's lightbringers ragequit (both of which were in that ZC SS.) The statement still stands, as your only actual victories without them is camping gates.

My bad, I didn't look at the date of your post. My point stands as well, people just seem to like to belittle anything family does.
Title: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: rix on October 22, 2014, 07:19:40 AM
no walls, wtf?
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Fox on October 22, 2014, 07:53:19 AM
no walls, wtf?

Secret V-Tec technologies.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Seki on October 22, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
no walls, wtf?

Secret V-Tec technologies.
http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=769.0 (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=769.0)

Quote from: Lidae
6. Third party tools / programs / mods
Wall hacks, roof hacks, field of view hacks and such modifications and bypasses are not allowed on Ashes of Phoenix. In general, any external tool or modification that gives any advantage over other players is strictly forbidden. We'll immediately ban anyone using such tools.
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Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 22, 2014, 09:35:08 AM
We know you use it too seki, a lot of people use it

EVERYONE USES IT!
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Fox on October 22, 2014, 10:26:05 AM
no walls, wtf?

Secret V-Tec technologies.
http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=769.0 (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=769.0)

Quote from: Lidae
6. Third party tools / programs / mods
Wall hacks, roof hacks, field of view hacks and such modifications and bypasses are not allowed on Ashes of Phoenix. In general, any external tool or modification that gives any advantage over other players is strictly forbidden. We'll immediately ban anyone using such tools.

Wise guy, huh ?
18/10/14, Smalltime answering to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. about that no-walls mode - isn't it illegal ?

No, sadly.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: 3.14 on October 22, 2014, 12:22:22 PM
If you really need cheat to kill... I shed tiny black tears for you.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Fox on October 22, 2014, 01:27:59 PM
I see, honey.

But actually where is there cheating ? It isn't let me see through walls, as you can note. And if it would be cheating, then it also would be forbidden by devs, ain't it ?

**cognitive dissonance**
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Seki on October 22, 2014, 03:34:04 PM
you can see opened doors in buildings = you can notice enemy going through building, other players cant
it also helps you to aim your FA easier, see loot in buildings and few other advantages
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Fox on October 22, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
1. Sometimes I don't see doors at all (can't damn close them or even find entrance) = disadvantage ?
2. I probably have worst rate of looting in entire wasteland, so there is no pluses for me in that aspect.
The only plus I see is that it's a bit easier to heal teammates, yes.
What a great vantage !

I'm ready to remove that mod if devs say that this is forbidden.
But as long as this didn't happen - calm down, dudes, I promise to play giveaway with you.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 22, 2014, 04:18:42 PM
We know you use it too seki, a lot of people use it

EVERYONE USES IT!
No, they don't.
For some reason, Shangalar decided to make an exception for the wall mods, but personally, I absolutely can't stand them. It actually makes me a bit angry sometimes, while I'm mapping. Why should I bother with putting down the right walls, when half of the people use modified clients to remove them?
But whatever, it's not my decision. I've played FOnline for more years than I'm proud of, and have never needed that mod.
Also, I split the posts from the screen thread
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on October 22, 2014, 10:10:27 PM
I appreciate the walls man, and the world as a whole, mappers are awesome.

Except the drunk mapper that forgot to give family gate a skeleton loot spawn like others got. :P

I dont like the wall hacks either, I'm just like. "Wai" it looks awful. why would anybody use it unless it distinctly made some sort of difference?
I.E an advantage over other players. No one in all honesty can say its for aesthetic purposes surely.

I never understood why its ok.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on October 23, 2014, 03:07:44 AM
"To fight cheaters, you need cheats"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Myakot on October 23, 2014, 03:34:50 AM
"To fight cheaters, you need cheats"
Said no one ever?


If you want to use such things, then be ready (and accept) for the fact that people will hate on you, and don't you dare to stand your ground with "but it's not completely forbidden!", that's the lowest thing possible.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on October 23, 2014, 04:32:34 AM
> Said no one ever?
At least me said for now. What's the difference who said it? It's true.

> "If you want to use such things"
I don't want to, but I don't like losing, because enemy has "unfair advantage".

Also, as not everyone understands the problem fully:
1. You can replace smoke with same type of graphics, which will let you to defibrite / heal / loot in the smoke, which is with standard graphics impossible.
2. You can replace item models with anything you want, letting you to see the item with any type of additional graphics. E.g. big fat writing "Plasma cannon" which will let you to see the item behind any obstacle, on any ground, e.g. as soon as you dropped it from enemy hands will let you to pick it up faster. Especially it's much easier to do with all new item models.
3. You can replace player models with graphics, which will make them much easier to aim.

> "That people will hate on you"
So, another one "Don't blame, and be not blamed"... So don't forget to check Russian Whine Wall, which is full of nice things, said and done by your BBoys teammates (and leader), in the same time as screenshot with their game modifications. That actually was quite surprising for me to know that you "dare to stand your ground" playing with them with any argument. Did you know about what I described? I'm pretty sure, you did. Did you affect anyhow your leader and teammates to not using it / report them / describe the problem to the community? I'm pretty sure you didn't. So hate me now, I don't really care...

I gave my opinion on the topic in this thread (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=1067.0). In short, there should be a mechanism to restrict client-side file modification / inner game setting for everyone to turn off / on official version for the wall replacer. But "To fight cheaters, you need cheats" I has heard later, and it describes the problem good enough.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on October 23, 2014, 04:45:49 AM
plz ban wall mods  :-[



ps: how do i close door hidden behind walls ? because i dont have wall modz
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Myakot on October 23, 2014, 04:56:47 AM
@paragon, I'm sorry what?

1. You've put that phrase in quotations, meaning that you've quoted someone. (and it just sounds cheasy, at least should've used "fight fire with fire")
2. This was not adressed to you, that's why there is a giant space in between the lines.
3. I've played with them for two weeks (still was great), and AFAIK a single person had wall mods, and he left on like 4th day (everyone else just agreed that those look ugly, don't forget that like half of us were filming and streaming the game). Yes, I did, I love how you just assume that I "used everything to win" shit. Of course you won't, why should you, a person that blindly accuses somebody "just because".
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on October 23, 2014, 05:01:31 AM
Quote is from Armor King. You know him? Probably not.. Probably not a lot of people know him at all. So I don't see many reasons to point to him.
Also, check my underline for each post, too much quotes without authors! (:
In the 3rd part I said, you played with people who did those things, I didn't say you do that.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on October 23, 2014, 05:04:03 AM
About PA armor for those who didn't get it, rocket launcher makes superior damage.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Myakot on October 23, 2014, 05:38:45 AM
About PA armor for those who didn't get it, rocket launcher makes superior damage.
Smalltime already proved that AK counters PA
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on October 23, 2014, 06:25:34 AM
About PA armor for those who didn't get it, rocket launcher makes superior damage.
Smalltime already proved that AK counters PA
Eh, the guy also ate an AP rocket (took 169 damage, I believe)
Basically what that came down to, was that he was camping the gate with only one friend, and he wasn't a very good player.
This PA is not be-all end-all. In the right hands, and in the right situations (aka, not alone like this) it can be VERY useful.
Also, yeah, I'm kind of mad that the Aks-74 is currently the best bursting sg.
That was JHP ammo.
Many things, especially ammos, need reworking.

Also, paragon, most of the mods you listed are heavily frowned upon, and against the rules. Only the walls are "tolerated."

I'd much prefer a restricted client.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 03, 2014, 02:06:55 AM
Smalltime already proved that AK counters PA

Try yourself with leadership'ed PA under psycho and 7 food and you'll see difference with real combat.

In the "13 Vtechs vs 17+2PA BBs+Family" the funny was that "on the side of the map" there were about 6-7 BBoys still running, effectively enough to be more than v-tech if summed with Family.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 03, 2014, 02:57:41 AM
Yeah, they retreated early. I don't think that those guys realize how easy it is to get PA, so they are very scared of losing it. Retreating early was a common theme among the BB.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 03, 2014, 04:46:39 AM
> How easy it is to get PA

I don't think we realized either (:
It takes 7 dungeon runs for us to score a PA, which around 5 hours of boring pve, and I can't really stand even 30 mins.
Farming knights? Don't think it's more productive.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 03, 2014, 08:46:14 AM
> How easy it is to get PA

I don't think we realized either (:
It takes 7 dungeon runs for us to score a PA, which around 5 hours of boring pve, and I can't really stand even 30 mins.
Farming knights? Don't think it's more productive.
I'm fairly certain it is more productive. We farmed five in 2-3 days before we realized we don't even have a use for our current ones because our guys aren't on that much.
This is really one of the more reasonable implementations yet. Getting one on early TLA was a bit of a nightmare.
Hell, I've actually complained before that they are too easy.

I actually took this SS when I was out hunting geckoes for awareness on one of our planned PA characters. I was quite angry that I was there alone.
(http://i.imgur.com/eD4Mp8W.jpg)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 03, 2014, 09:01:41 AM
Well, probably it's the certain place, not those we were searching.
And not everyone is dropping a fragment there, right?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 03, 2014, 09:03:25 AM
Well, probably it's the certain place, not those we were searching.
And not everyone is dropping a fragment there, right?
It's about a five out of six chance. Missed out on over 10 PA shards in that encounter. I just had to sit and watch them walk away. was very tragic.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 07, 2014, 01:16:02 AM
> The v-tech guys walked out with a lot of free loot.

We found only 3 bodies ):
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Hang-Lip on November 07, 2014, 01:34:26 AM
Wall and roof hack/mod, would increase FPS? (Advantage?)

And yeah it really does make it look like shit.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 07, 2014, 01:42:02 AM
Good PC will increase FPS. good monitor will increase comfortable sight, correct key bindings will increase reaction time.

Probably, I didn't get you right (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Hang-Lip on November 07, 2014, 03:07:32 AM
If the computer isnt displaying walls/roofs a FPS increase would be likely, mainly while scrolling.

Just like graphic settings in a game. etc, decals= On/Off, on lesser systems it would be more noticeable.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 07, 2014, 08:55:47 AM
If the computer isnt displaying walls/roofs a FPS increase would be likely, mainly while scrolling.

Just like graphic settings in a game. etc, decals= On/Off, on lesser systems it would be more noticeable.
No it will still be the same....I think it should be illegal cause you can see doors open and see the laser and other animations from far.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 09, 2014, 07:55:32 PM
FOnline : Ashes of Phoenix - Free For All PvP Event
"Hey john, did you fix that hole?"
"Oh yeah, I just threw down a blocker"
ten minutes later
"YOU DIDN'T FIX THE HOLE JOHN, NOW THERE ARE TWO OF THEM"

I'm glad someone recorded it, I was too busy teleporting around plugging holes and reviving people who didn't respawn to get a decent video.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 09, 2014, 08:16:29 PM
lol
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on November 10, 2014, 03:15:10 PM
Just had an awesome fight!

Malakai and I were on a hunt, we found a couple of lone V-Tecs and made a mess of them.
Then we ran into Tenova from BrahminB's. She joined the hunt.

10 mins pass, Looks like V-Tec came to avenge their brothers (They had gatlings and everything :p)
We let them pass us so we could attack from behind.

In the end 6 Vtecs died by our hand, 1 family member by theirs.

Then after the dust settled and it was time to loot, a renegade BB sneaker came from behind and took me out with a ripper.

I WAS SO GUTTED, No gear lost, just ruined my victory.

Thanks to everyone being in the same vicinity :D Awesome fun!

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 11, 2014, 02:12:23 PM
Is it me or do your screens always look like they stretch to the right.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 11, 2014, 02:29:41 PM
I believe that is because he uses fullscreen
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on November 11, 2014, 02:48:22 PM
Is it me or do your screens always look like they stretch to the right.

Its true, Its because I got fullscreen. The only thing I can do is edit them before posting.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 11, 2014, 04:17:40 PM
I use fullscreen too but mine don't come out like that.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on November 11, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
I use fullscreen too but mine don't come out like that.

Hmm, then I have no idea what it is. Used to do it on reloaded too so its probably something wrong with my computer or settings.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: REDRUM on November 13, 2014, 04:41:30 PM
(Edit) ........

Then after the dust settled and it was time to loot, a renegade BB sneaker came from behind and took me out with a ripper.

I WAS SO GUTTED, No gear lost, just ruined my victory.

Thanks to everyone being in the same vicinity :D Awesome fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFufoOgCMW8
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on November 13, 2014, 06:13:51 PM
DAMN YOU REDRUM :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 13, 2014, 10:34:27 PM
So has any ZC been going on?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on November 13, 2014, 10:41:14 PM
So has any ZC been going on?
We tried to gather today, but one of these is not like the other...

5 was the peak of the day

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on November 15, 2014, 08:30:55 AM
6 Vtechs vs 11 BBs+Family

Great job s1man, honorable and fair fight for vtech.  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: 3.14 on November 15, 2014, 08:39:04 AM
Very good minigun use, if you had another BG you could have killed somebody.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 15, 2014, 08:52:42 AM
V-tech can only swarm.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S1mancoder on November 15, 2014, 08:57:41 AM
Very good minigun use, if you had another BG you could have killed somebody.
Actually, we made a lot of mistakes this fight. The position was generally good, but we was at wrong places, so guys with SG couldnt focus guys I was damaging, that's the reason we didint kill anyone as a result.
Also I forgot to change from sight range to crit agi and thus was very vulnerable to bypasses, that resulted in being too soft to be able to shoot constantly.

P. S. Also there will be another video from Family side soon.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: 3.14 on November 15, 2014, 09:23:46 AM
I don't think that was a very good position to defend. If the family/bb had 5-6 fire grenades you would have no place to run. One mustard gas grenade would also fill the whole room.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 15, 2014, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: S1man's video
"shoot legs and rub"
That line made me laugh. Also, melee PA always trips me up, it's so ridiculous looking.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on November 15, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
Those PA are trolling obviously. xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 15, 2014, 10:29:23 AM
Striking having >130 kg on top of own weight... I think PA guys just need to fall down on enemies.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 16, 2014, 08:59:32 AM
Ahaha, I love you videos, Siman. Those LDR changes during KO on 1:00

That stupid Suff made 250 damage on you xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 18, 2014, 05:13:37 AM
Cool video sylv, you oughta be our recorder since now.

Silent mumble. Only commander speaking without having no idea what do you see. Buy yourself a mic! Tango saw them all on right (and didn't say anything), you saw them all at building. Goofy was alone at the building they didn't even try to approach the entrance.
Failed to guard the dead body of guy rushed in and died. Nobody used a grenade or something. Didn't close the door.
1 CH build against family critters ): Next battle you got bypasses and KO every shot, this one pure luck.
Won only because courier was in wrong position without any help - if he would be with others, we would never leave through left entrance.
Add shortcut for eating the food!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 18, 2014, 09:17:57 AM
Ever heard of edit paragon?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 18, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
How to play like a noob 101 (me)
You used the SAW. You're fighting the good fight, but goddamnit I wish that gun were just a little bit better.
Doesn't even have the range to fire all the way across the street
Nice video, though
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S1mancoder on November 18, 2014, 03:36:05 PM
Smalltime
I belive SAW is best SG burster can use for mid to close range. I was impressed by an ability of delivering 40-60 dmg on 2-3 targets at once with low AP cost and general mobility. Do you know something better?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on November 18, 2014, 04:57:46 PM
40-60 dmg is pretty high, most (but not all) of the shots you made in that video were in the 30s-40s. That said, I also like the SAW for it's AoE ability, but I just hate that it has the same range as the deagle.
I've used it many times in the past to great effectiveness, (you can see me use it at least once in one of my videos) but in a 1-2 target situation, the aks-74 does far more damage per AP bar.

Then again, I haven't touched the SAW since the leadership change. I imagine it's slightly better with modules having been modified.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S1mancoder on November 19, 2014, 12:36:52 AM
I saw low damage mainly because some targets were almost out of range, also because some targets are 10CH with DR boost.
In mid scale fights with some practice you can achieve hitting at least 2 targets with SAW at once, and if you manage to do that, total dmg output will be more than decent.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on November 22, 2014, 06:21:33 PM
Awesome PvP today :D (sarcasm intended)

I loved how V-Tec and Family were equal numbers in Verde and V-Tec died like chickens, then Jack A.K.A william hudson brought power armor xD...looks like someone doesn't like losing
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 22, 2014, 07:55:43 PM
And it seems it's you (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on November 22, 2014, 08:17:04 PM
run like chicken from DSR :p
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 23, 2014, 03:46:34 AM
I'm concerned about spears, I'm not lover of rock-builds, but it seems we gotta level up several as they are better than most SGs.

Several fun moments:
RL shot and dholly's "LOLO"
"They are 23... 3".
"WHY DID THEY RUN?"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: greenthumb on November 23, 2014, 03:56:24 AM
each spear can be evaded by 2 hex moves, also spears range is no more than 25 hexes
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 23, 2014, 04:02:03 AM
My Rad SMG range is less than 25 hexes.
Watch at the beginning of Niamak video and say me how does he suppose to move than on that range spear gets him in I guess less than 1 second.

sylv, set up shortcuts for drugs!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on November 23, 2014, 04:31:52 AM
In video, I didn't try to dodge spears because I thought we could kill him 2vs1 but I guess our weapons too stronk (7 shots).  8)

Spear damage is real !

I set up shortcuts for drugs but I always forget to use them. For food, I change food all the time so it's annoying.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: PorkchopExpress on November 23, 2014, 07:45:51 AM
Awesome PvP today :D (sarcasm intended)

I loved how V-Tec and Family were equal numbers in Verde and V-Tec died like chickens, then Jack A.K.A william hudson brought power armor xD...looks like someone doesn't like losing

Actually i wasn't even part of that verde fight,was just looking for some fights but by the time i got to near verde vtec guys got killed,i was waiting in the area next to it(sun city grande i believe) ready to fight you.As for bringing PA,it wasn't for you guys,it's in general as my character is now built for PA,so if i'm online i'm in PA.
run like chicken from DSR :p
If that was intended to me,well,since i wasn't able to identify the location of dsr shooter i had to explore around because i did expect an ambush of 4-5 guys from verde to be with dsr guy.


Gotta love the effect of PA,as soon as people see you they start running as they know you will rush them :D

P.S. I left the PA other day in your faction base  courtyard,fortunately,teela got it first ;)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on November 24, 2014, 02:09:56 AM
lol @ around 3:00 min , 3 guys and whole swarm was afraid to go lel , lmfao ... also luv suffs : they only 3 ?!?! , its not the enemy we searchin 4 ;) , well it was indeed . really funny to see from enemy perspective :p i was trained by john on sniping , so no kill for ya , even when u have same range :p a shame that many BB live in other timezone , would be fun to have some bigger fights but we do what we can to enjoy this server .  Greetz from some ex v tec

This is what happen when nobody count kills and playing with no scout.  ::)
Hellmai and Candyrush got killed from the start, you can see Velvet running away. After that it was swarm vs 3.  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 24, 2014, 04:34:20 AM
Pssss... don't tell them about our 5 PA back up squad at the gate.

Trolling aside if you can read and count, you'll see how many you were exactly, but continue whining about swarm, it's entertaining.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on November 24, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Pssss... don't tell them about our 5 PA back up squad at the gate.

Trolling aside if you can read and count, you'll see how many you were exactly, but continue whining about swarm, it's entertaining.

Lets face it, Vtecs have the most players online :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on November 24, 2014, 01:39:54 PM
Have to agree. Even more: half of family is v-tec.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on November 24, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
I don't trust anyone in multiple factions, they have no loyalty.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on November 24, 2014, 04:11:44 PM
another fact: most people have alts in at least another faction :D

Its about fun, not faction loyalty
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on November 25, 2014, 04:46:24 AM
It depends on how you use those alt. If you use them to spy or manipulate, or or to influence that faction diplomacy with your own, or have any suspicious behavior, it can  cause problems. If you immerse yourself in the faction you are currently playing, ignoring everything from the previous faction, than it's OK. You have a different role and the two role don't influence each other.

About PVP, i don't have screenshots, but we had a fun, but weird PVP/ZC cession yesterday.

3 lawyers + 1 V-TEC VS 3 Brahmin Boys + 1 Family.

All the factions on board, but yet not enough players to be six on each side. Glad the dev allowed to ZC with less than six, while still using rules that prevent abuse, but it isn't a good sign for the server population.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on December 01, 2014, 09:37:13 AM

Super Sledge OP !

Hope to see you next season.  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 02, 2014, 09:08:17 PM
C'mon British, theres a reason why we have PvP discussion

gg's tho, they were fun, we both lost some and won some :P. and thank thomas for the power armor :D:D:D  (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/Smileys/default/cool.gif)

shame glowtrotter got butthurt because he couldn't get a guy in his squad so went to V-Tec xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 02, 2014, 09:32:02 PM
well glowtrotter was defeated by his own weapons in the last battle , thats how it should work ... if u can serve rockets u should also be able to deserve them xD :p ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 02, 2014, 10:10:13 PM
Shame someone gets 2 PA and not gonna use it.
First one he promised to use against v-tec more than a month ago.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 03, 2014, 08:51:14 AM
well u know theres a reason why we dont use it ... 1st its just some grinding item 2nd its not OP , noobs maybe think it is but it isnt , thats why they lost it 3rd they are nice trophys and i hope to gather some more , see thats the point of rare items if u love pvp ... kill other players who grind for it and keep startting 2 yell LEL all the time > thats fun . also we gained it because of a better gameplay than enemys , u get the point ... its a good reward for well playing . in the battle with thomas and his gang , they outnumbered us , did we shit in our pants , hell no . because if u have some skills u know whats possible and whats not , if i would have been there with some family random im sure i would be dead , but with the right people on your sight who understand PvP and builds and whats possible and not its quite easy to counter unexperienced players , even when they have more numbers and better items , because they dont think of all possbilitys and thats the reason why we earned it imo .

plus if i would have some stable playing guys around me at family who are all at one gang and in VC , only then i would risk PA . its just suicide to go with good stuff at core with randoms or without voice communication etc. i think u know what i mean .

but i also think if family and maybe BB would connect  a bit more and if tehy would create a "Gang" whos using voice communications with proper leader then they definetaly would beat v tecs 9 out of 10 times , im sure .

btw we have 3 PAs now :p
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 03, 2014, 09:46:50 AM
I love all this talk and no action, lets organise a 10 v 10 - Vtec versus whoever you can muster together in your rag-tag gang, we'd honestly wipe the floor with you. I'd even go as far to say 10 of us versus however many you want.

Small skirmishes you tend to win and that's fair play to you, Stalker is a nasty guy to get up close and personal with, especially since most of our players that really want to pvp are built for range and we keep stupidly playing into your hands. I'm not making excuses because you did well and won fairly, it's just a reality. It comes with experience and for us 'British', as you fondly call us, this is the first fonline server we've played on.

Me and my brothers really enjoy the game, no matter how frustrating we find it sometimes we'll keep coming back.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on December 03, 2014, 09:50:03 AM
well u know theres a reason why we dont use it ... 1st its just some grinding item 2nd its not OP , noobs maybe think it is but it isnt , thats why they lost it 3rd they are nice trophys and i hope to gather some more , see thats the point of rare items if u love pvp ... keel other players who grind for it and yell LEL all the time > thats fun . also we gained them because of better play than enemys , u get the point ... its a good reward for well playin . in the battle with thomas and his gang , they outnumbered us , did we shit in our pants , hell no . because if u have some skills u know whats possible and whats not , i f i would have been there with some family random im sure i would be dead , but with the right people on your sight who understand PvP and builds and whats possible its quite easy to counter unexperienced players , even when they have more numbers and better items , because they dont think of all possbilitys and thats the reason why we earned it .

plus if i would have some stable playing guys around me at family who are all at one gang and in VC , only then i would risk PA . its just suicide to go with good stuff at core with randoms or without voice communication etc. i mean u know what i mean .

but i also think if family and maybe BB would connect  a bit more and if tehy would create a "Gang" whos using voice communications with proper leader then they definetaly would beat v tecs 9 out of 10 times , im sure .

btw we have 3 PAs now :p

Sir, you wrote this by using a smartphone or something.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 03, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
I love all this talk and no action, lets organise a 10 v 10 - Vtec versus whoever you can muster together in your rag-tag gang, we'd honestly wipe the floor with you. I'd even go as far to say 10 of us versus however many you want.

Small skirmishes you tend to win and that's fair play to you, Stalker is a nasty guy to get up close and personal with, especially since most of our players that really want to pvp are built for range and we keep stupidly playing into your hands. I'm not making excuses because you did well and won fairly, it's just a reality. It comes with experience and for us 'British', as you fondly call us, this is the first fonline server we've played on.

Me and my brothers really enjoy the game, no matter how frustrating we find it sometimes we'll keep coming back.

hey man i apreciate your opinion and i never said anything against britishs in general , im not stalker :p ...
i just said what´s my opinion , im  even thankfull that there are enemys atleast .. this is and will always be just a game , dont take things to personal from other players , plus it would be boring without any other people around .

and its cool that you and your brothers are playing Fonline in general . i can even understand the rage from you at your first lines , thats how its working in fonline games . and about the ranged argument thats what i was pointing at with unexperienced , i know u use dsr and other shit plus theres no argument for the fact that it was not clever to went at stalker outside if u know that u dont have range or other way around also if u say u use ranged builds why u gathered inside building , i mean ok , i guess thomas thought hes badass on a  one on one with a pa and supersledge but he didnt calculate the risk hes gaining from going outside and what could happen , and exactly worst case scenario happened ... he went at stalker but i was there also after he was getting shoots from dsr he couldnt run and we could easy take him out ... also bad play was that guys who survived inside didnt helped him . that are all gameplay arguments and have nuthin to do with close or long range in the end , since builds dont make you OP ... thats what i wanted to pointing out. in the end it depends on your communication and experience ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 03, 2014, 10:02:14 AM
well u know theres a reason why we dont use it ... 1st its just some grinding item 2nd its not OP , noobs maybe think it is but it isnt , thats why they lost it 3rd they are nice trophys and i hope to gather some more , see thats the point of rare items if u love pvp ... keel other players who grind for it and yell LEL all the time > thats fun . also we gained them because of better play than enemys , u get the point ... its a good reward for well playin . in the battle with thomas and his gang , they outnumbered us , did we shit in our pants , hell no . because if u have some skills u know whats possible and whats not , i f i would have been there with some family random im sure i would be dead , but with the right people on your sight who understand PvP and builds and whats possible its quite easy to counter unexperienced players , even when they have more numbers and better items , because they dont think of all possbilitys and thats the reason why we earned it .

plus if i would have some stable playing guys around me at family who are all at one gang and in VC , only then i would risk PA . its just suicide to go with good stuff at core with randoms or without voice communication etc. i mean u know what i mean .

but i also think if family and maybe BB would connect  a bit more and if tehy would create a "Gang" whos using voice communications with proper leader then they definetaly would beat v tecs 9 out of 10 times , im sure .

btw we have 3 PAs now :p

Sir, you wrote this by using a smartphone or something.

nope , why u ask ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 03, 2014, 10:16:16 AM
> 1st its just some grinding item

you get it for free, no grinding included

> 2nd its not OP , noobs maybe think it is but it isnt

not a logical argument at all

> also we gained them because of better play than enemys, u get the point

no I don't

> its just suicide to go with good stuff at core with randoms

You get the item from inexperienced players who doesn't know all you said and probably didn't use VoiP, and now you're so proud of it in the same time you're afraid to use it back?
I think I'm getting closer to your point now...

> but i also think if family and maybe BB would connect  a bit more and if tehy would create a "Gang" whos using voice communications with proper leader then they definetaly would beat v tecs 9 out of 10 times , im sure .

This one is a diamond. I hope someday you'll come back to what you said and will laugh at it as I just did.

P.S.: seems even if there will be no players at the server, forum pvp won't be left (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on December 03, 2014, 10:19:08 AM
nope , why u ask ?

Sir, I don't want to be rude but your post mainly lacks paragraphs and it sounds like a pathetic taunt with horrible grammar.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 03, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
> 1st its just some grinding item

you get it for free, no grinding included

> 2nd its not OP , noobs maybe think it is but it isnt

not a logical argument at all

> also we gained them because of better play than enemys, u get the point

no I don't

> its just suicide to go with good stuff at core with randoms

You get the item from inexperienced players who doesn't know all you said and probably didn't use VoiP, and now you're so proud of it in the same time you're afraid to use it back?
I think I'm getting closer to your point now...

> but i also think if family and maybe BB would connect  a bit more and if tehy would create a "Gang" whos using voice communications with proper leader then they definetaly would beat v tecs 9 out of 10 times , im sure .

This one is a diamond. I hope someday you'll come back to what you said and will laugh at it as I just did.

P.S.: seems even if there will be no players at the server, forum pvp won't be left (:

well thats part of the game , plus im sure that u understand what i have been written ...

PA is no grinding item ? tell me where to get it for free ? my 1st argument has nuthin to do with receiving it from an enemy who used it , because that enemy still had to grind for it ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 03, 2014, 10:21:43 AM
nope , why u ask ?

Sir, I don't want to be rude but your post mainly lacks paragraphs and it sounds like a pathetic taunt with horrible grammar.

well , im not british thats maybe the asnwer :p i polished it up a bit for your teachy behaviour ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 03, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
We get 2 from BBoys

1 of them is taken by Stalker to Family although he was just an ally for v-tec in that battle, not even in main group. He promised, but never used it. That's the characteristic for Stalker personally.

2nd one will be characteristic for someone else.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 03, 2014, 10:34:30 AM
nope , why u ask ?

Sir, I don't want to be rude but your post mainly lacks paragraphs and it sounds like a pathetic taunt with horrible grammar.

well , im not british thats maybe the asnwer :p i polished it up a bit for your teachy behaviour ...

Neither is Niamak, are you trying to make me dislike you?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 03, 2014, 11:08:27 AM
What does it matter if your enemy does/does not choose to use a set of armor...
The thing I have to remember when losing anything is...

"I just made somebody else very happy." Surely its better.

It works both ways.

All I see is trash talking and anger, should save it for the core where it counts...imo
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 03, 2014, 11:10:41 AM
One guy said yesterday something like "What a lame game to get enjoyment you have to kill someone and to give enjoyment someone else you have to die".
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 03, 2014, 11:15:32 AM
One guy said yesterday something like "What a lame game to get enjoyment you have to kill someone and to give enjoyment someone else you have to die".

Well, I can sorta agree with that quote. Isnt that PvP games in general though?
(League Of Legends) (Call Of Duty) (War Thunder/World Of Tanks) (Any RTS game)
Just naming a few.(Never necessarily played them)

Dieing in game is not inherently fun, but the road to your death can be extremely enjoyable.


(Edit, little story)
I once was part of a squad of 5 being chased by some BBoys(In the first week of launch). Just as we made it to whorehouse I decided to let the guys run while I stayed to slow them down as much as I could. It worked,
and after they were done chasing me through a building it was enough time for the boys to get away.
If I didn't do that I'm sure we would have all/most been killed at eastern or sooner.

A fun/worthwhile death!

I made 2 separate parties happier. Family got away and BBoys got a little gear + the satisfaction of running me down in a building.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on December 03, 2014, 11:24:48 AM
So much hate/ego, this forum starts looking like a proper Fonline PvP forum...  :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 03, 2014, 11:27:11 AM

I once was part of a squad of 5 being chased by some BBoys(In the first week of launch). Just as we made it to whorehouse I decided to let the guys run while I stayed to slow them down as much as I could. It worked,
and after they were done chasing me through a building it was enough time for the boys to get away.
If I didn't do that I'm sure we would have all/most been killed at eastern or sooner.

A fun/worthwhile death!

I made 2 separate parties happier. Family got away and BBoys got a little gear + the satisfaction of running me down in a building.

The ultimate scrifice  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: greenthumb on December 03, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
C'mon British, theres a reason why we have PvP discussion

gg's tho, they were fun, we both lost some and won some :P. and thank thomas for the power armor :D:D:D  (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/Smileys/default/cool.gif)

shame glowtrotter got butthurt because he couldn't get a guy in his squad so went to V-Tec xD
This realy is nice thread, i mean its pile of shit, some crap on first page, some crap on another, reading this seems to be very similar to fortune telling, just instead of cofee cup, there is toilet bowl.
Some people are just retarded and unfortunately they are living mostly westside of atlantic(I BELIEVE ITS COINCIDENCE, NOT MEANT TO INSULT HAMUBURGERICANS).

Keep up good work, everytime i would feel somehow assertively, i ll come to this thread to confirm unwritten hypothesis of america growing so primitive individuals, they could aspire canibalism as national tradition.

You guys sux, and i hope you get it .

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 03, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
What does it matter if your enemy does/does not choose to use a set of armor...
The thing I have to remember when losing anything is...

"I just made somebody else very happy." Surely its better.

It works both ways.

All I see is trash talking and anger, should save it for the core where it counts...imo

You really come across as a nice guy Stem.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 03, 2014, 12:34:50 PM
nope , why u ask ?

Sir, I don't want to be rude but your post mainly lacks paragraphs and it sounds like a pathetic taunt with horrible grammar.

Agreed.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: cirn0 on December 03, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
Do not give into Stems superb CHA and SPEECH skills, keep calm and PK him.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 03, 2014, 01:07:43 PM
My persuasion skill is maxed.

Do not give into Cirn0s supreme rule. don't kill me, let me keep going relatively unnoticed on the battlefield...PK Count Matthew Or Anza they has nicer gear :D



"You really come across as a nice guy Stem."
                                            Doing                              Shooting you
And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "I love you"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 03, 2014, 02:00:45 PM
My persuasion skill is maxed.

Do not give into Cirn0s supreme rule. don't kill me, let me keep going relatively unnoticed on the battlefield...PK Count Matthew Or Anza they has nicer gear :D



"You really come across as a nice guy Stem."
                                            Doing                              Shooting you
And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "I love you"

You know full well I don't not PVP. If you see me, just stop and say hi. :F
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 03, 2014, 07:16:47 PM
We get 2 from BBoys

1 of them is taken by Stalker to Family although he was just an ally for v-tec in that battle, not even in main group. He promised, but never used it. That's the characteristic for Stalker personally.

2nd one will be characteristic for someone else.
I promised what? to use power armor against 10 vs 4? no thanks


I love all this talk and no action, lets organise a 10 v 10 - Vtec versus whoever you can muster together in your rag-tag gang, we'd honestly wipe the floor with you. I'd even go as far to say 10 of us versus however many you want.
Last time we V-Tec and family were equal numbers, they got raped hard with no lube on.

Small skirmishes you tend to win and that's fair play to you, Stalker is a nasty guy to get up close and personal with, especially since most of our players that really want to pvp are built for range and we keep stupidly playing into your hands. I'm not making excuses because you did well and won fairly, it's just a reality. It comes with experience and for us 'British', as you fondly call us, this is the first fonline server we've played on.
Real nasty, seems like all you guys do is spam super sledge. (andy, thomas). also you failed by going indoors after me with a DSR xD


Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 03, 2014, 07:18:41 PM
Family looks contagious
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 03, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
Family looks contagious

FAMILY LOOKS STROOONK , DONT SHIT YOUR PANTS PLS ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: GaS on December 04, 2014, 05:01:26 AM
LOL ;D 6 Tecs was hunting for one poor spearman, and a lot of happines was in final scream 'YESSS!!' ;D
And i want to say that two guys with gatling type weapon is very strong support on ZC. Especially taking into account that family guys don't like to go back, regroup and make flank attacks. I noticed that family and BBs platoons have small mobility in fights.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 04, 2014, 05:33:39 AM
"one poor spearman" 2:26 knockout 103 dmg

He had PKS / flamer, or milkor, some BG I don't remember. Class A weapons for ZC.
In this battle I did ~50 damage with gatling. Basically, I wasn't needed at all.

Mobility comes with understanding of what you need to do. Without VoiP it's pretty hard to have such understanding.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on December 04, 2014, 05:48:58 AM
LOL ;D 6 Tecs was hunting for one poor spearman, and a lot of happines was in final scream 'YESSS!!' ;D

Vtech swarm success ᕙ༼ ͡° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °༽ᕗ
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 04, 2014, 07:09:00 AM
Family looks contagious

FAMILY LOOKS STROOONK , DONT SHIT YOUR PANTS PLS ...

I am loving all the attention. *flicks hair"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 04, 2014, 08:12:24 AM
Congrats on daily Darwin award yesterday courier, u r so stronk. We destroyed you yesterday with less numbers...pvp has never been more unpredictable. Stalker get over yourself, haha.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on December 04, 2014, 09:31:59 AM
PK Count Matthew Or Anza they has nicer gear :D

Wait what ?!  :'(
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 04, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
FrankenStone, gotta ignore your message, hate oversized signatures
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 04, 2014, 12:37:31 PM
FrankenStone, gotta ignore your message, hate oversized signatures

What is the Darwin award?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 04, 2014, 01:10:08 PM
How is the question connected to the quote?

Wiki: The Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek honor <...>. They recognize individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by self-selecting themselves out of the gene pool via death or sterilization by their own actions.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 04, 2014, 10:58:37 PM
Congrats on daily Darwin award yesterday courier, u r so stronk. We destroyed you yesterday with less numbers...pvp has never been more unpredictable. Stalker get over yourself, haha.
what
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 05, 2014, 05:02:43 AM
Congrats on daily Darwin award yesterday courier, u r so stronk. We destroyed you yesterday with less numbers...pvp has never been more unpredictable. Stalker get over yourself, haha.
what

Can't you read boy?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on December 05, 2014, 05:19:59 AM
Caboose I think you re quite the emotional kid :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 05, 2014, 09:29:21 AM
He just loves my DSR  :-*
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 05, 2014, 09:33:21 AM
He just loves my DSR  :-*

And you love mine friend  ;)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 07, 2014, 12:08:43 PM
Where'd you guys go? I said wI'd be back, just took a few mins to get organised - only had 5 and you were about 7 :/ The desire to pvp is not strong with you guys :(
Title: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Caboose on December 08, 2014, 12:20:18 PM
That's a bit cheeky Stem, but yeah you win some you lose some. Generally with suff, we win more. Just gonna have to stop feeding you guys during the day when suff doesn't play.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
That's a bit cheeky Stem, but yeah you win some you lose some. Generally with suff, we win more. Just gonna have to stop feeding you guys during the day when suff doesn't play.
No cheek intended dear Caboose, more of a pat on the back from one "enemy" to the other.
It seems more appropriate here than in-game.
(not trying to be patronising either)
I feel much the same way about feeding you guys, I just ran into a very well placed ambush on family gate...Twice...

When you're at your strongest (E.g night time in the uk, thats when most tecs and suff seem to be around)
Most players on our side are gone,(a lot of the time myself included) so it feels like feeding for me too when I run on you and get minced in seconds haha.

To me its really obvious how much your tactics change (Even your loadouts to some degree) when suff is in lead.
I dunno if you guys can see it and i'm not saying you lose every fight without him, because you don't.

Think of it more as a friendly observation, I don't do slight jabs. If I wanted to to be mean or nasty I would come up with something other than "hey Paragon good job leading dem tecs"  ;D
And please notice I/we have no dedicated leader, think yourselves lucky  ;)

Here have a giggle at this one.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 08, 2014, 12:32:24 PM
We had only 4 at the gate tonight, one of them was with DKS doung 20 damage per shoot.
It's certainly not about numbers at night, until you're searching for a fight with double more people when we have.

I honestly don't know why they are losing without me. Probably, i'm taking the fights much more seriously and push everyone in the such state as well. In the same time I'm the only one experienced player left.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Count Matthew on December 08, 2014, 12:47:02 PM
That's a bit cheeky Stem, but yeah you win some you lose some. Generally with suff, we win more. Just gonna have to stop feeding you guys during the day when suff doesn't play.
No cheek intended dear Caboose, more of a pat on the back from one "enemy" to the other.
It seems more appropriate here than in-game.
(not trying to be patronising either)
I feel much the same way about feeding you guys, I just ran into a very well placed ambush on family gate...Twice...

When you're at your strongest (E.g night time in the uk, thats when most tecs and suff seem to be around)
Most players on our side are gone,(a lot of the time myself included) so it feels like feeding for me too when I run on you and get minced in seconds haha.

To me its really obvious how much your tactics change (Even your loadouts to some degree) when suff is in lead.
I dunno if you guys can see it and i'm not saying you lose every fight without him, because you don't.

Think of it more as a friendly observation, I don't do slight jabs. If I wanted to to be mean or nasty I would come up with something other than "hey Paragon good job leading dem tecs"  ;D
And please notice I/we have no dedicated leader, think yourselves lucky  ;)

Here have a giggle at this one.

I am curious, what are the time zones for BB's and Family?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 12:52:25 PM
We had only 4 at the gate tonight, one of them was with DKS doung 20 damage per shoot.
It's certainly not about numbers at night, until you're searching for a fight with double more people when we have.

I honestly don't know why they are losing without me. Probably, i'm taking the fights much more seriously and push everyone in the such state as well. In the same time I'm the only one experienced player left.
I noticed your 4, we had 4 the first encounter too and then 2/3 the second time. (I forgot)
I wasn't expecting you the first time at all, I just saw someone say report to gate on side chat.
And then andy came around the corner and, well you know the rest.

It irks me that no matter how many times we/others have tried we can't get that same level of squad organization.
Some of us have learned to read each character's movements and actions best we can even developing shorthand messages but theres only so much that will do for us without comms

Either way good job.
P.S the rest of your squad dont always lose without you, just more than if you were there.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 12:56:02 PM
I live in England. (pippiptallyhofishandchipsbaby'sarmholdinganapplepippip)
So if ever I log in at say around 9pm to 1am (As sometimes I do)

I would be lucky to find Courier online, and 0 BBoys, the ones in squad anyway.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: FrankenStone on December 08, 2014, 01:38:13 PM
well im out anyway atm , playin TLA
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on December 08, 2014, 03:15:16 PM
Win some lose some. You should, however, really try to get voice comms working lol. Even when its just one guy speaking and the rest listening without mike. It makes a big difference being able to yell 'HEAL' into your mike or being able to tell the others what you are up to.

Always nice to type 'rrrrrr' instead of reloading because you left the chat window open :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 03:26:31 PM
Win some lose some. You should, however, really try to get voice comms working lol. Even when its just one guy speaking and the rest listening without mike. It makes a big difference being able to yell 'HEAL' into your mike or being able to tell the others what you are up to.

Always nice to type 'rrrrrr' instead of reloading because you left the chat window open :D

You're Preaching to the choir  :D
If someone gave me an address I'd happily join and listen to a squad commander.
But out of the few players we do have its either...

1.No mic (I come here)
2.Unwilling to use comms, even to listen.
3.Someone may have a mic and comms, but is unwilling/un-wanting/incapable of leading for whatever reason.

We had a TS once, I can't access it anymore. I dont know who it belonged to.
However even then there was usually, Lexington and myself with one or two more.
Apart from the odd occasion where we actually were led into battle by somebody there may have been 10 in the room listening in, but that was at launch in the first month and all those players are gone.
Even when asked to join people just wouldn't, some wouldn't even consider it.

I don't claim to know everybodys background, but a lot of players in family were/are new to fonline in general.afaik
Perhaps they didn't/don't understand the benefits that comes from using comms,
and perhaps underestimate what it does for the enemy.

I know I did at first, I was a naysayer. "I dont need to hear some guy breathing down a mic at me"
But I quickly changed my tune when I realised the enemy was organised far more efficiently than a side chat would allow.
Now, I'd listen to someone with the worst breathing problems in existence if he/she was willing to be commander.

Right now, we do what we can I guess.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Caboose on December 08, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
well im out anyway atm , playin TLA

WHHYYYYYYY??? :(
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: FrankenStone on December 08, 2014, 04:11:46 PM
no players here thats the reason , ill wait for imimprovements and greater playerbase ;)
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 04:14:07 PM
ill wait for imimprovements and greater playerbase ;)

Said every player that left so far :D

Snowball effect.

Come back soon!
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: cirn0 on December 08, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
I fully endorse TLAmk2, it was really fun and inspiring.

Please do enjoy yourself over there :) and come hang out on irc for news.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: cirn0 on December 08, 2014, 05:21:56 PM
I'd like to provide better options for communication between players in-game. Quick text / pre-defined voice quick-keys, like (in tribes, counterstrike, battlefield) and something a bit more advanced such as pinging a hex to your squad and setting objective-points.

I'm pretty this can help better organize people both on comms and people without. ETA : Soon.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on December 08, 2014, 05:29:30 PM
shazbot!
fire in the hole!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 08, 2014, 05:34:09 PM
> Quick text / pre-defined voice quick-keys
I can give away autohotkey script for it, it's very basic, still easy configurable and 90% effective. Yeah, it's text quick-keys, not voice unfortunately.

> pinging a hex to your squad and setting objective-points
The step away from the realism until some special electronic device which allows you to do it implemented (which I gonna EMP hard). Basically it gives the leader the ability to microcontrol team even more (which I don't think very good in whole).
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 08, 2014, 05:43:04 PM
> Quick text / pre-defined voice quick-keys
I can give away autohotkey script for it, it's very basic, still easy configurable and 90% effective. Yeah, it's text quick-keys, not voice unfortunately.

> pinging a hex to your squad and setting objective-points
The step away from the realism until some special electronic device which allows you to do it implemented (which I gonna EMP hard). Basically it gives the leader the ability to microcontrol team even more (which I don't think very good in whole).

Yeah I like the idea of a device that allows you to ping positions on your cheapboy and by extension onto your map, like a flare or something.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
I'd like to provide better options for communication between players in-game. Quick text / pre-defined voice quick-keys, like (in tribes, counterstrike, battlefield) and something a bit more advanced such as pinging a hex to your squad and setting objective-points.

I'm pretty this can help better organize people both on comms and people without. ETA : Soon.

Love it, want it!

@Caboose

Ooh the thought of popping flares to call for aid is sweet.
(Edit) It makes me think of so many possibilities.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 08, 2014, 06:49:29 PM
You're Preaching to the choir  :D
If someone gave me an address I'd happily join and listen to a squad commander.
But out of the few players we do have its either...

1.No mic (I come here)
2.Unwilling to use comms, even to listen.
3.Someone may have a mic and comms, but is unwilling/un-wanting/incapable of leading for whatever reason.

We had a TS once, I can't access it anymore. I dont know who it belonged to.
However even then there was usually, Lexington and myself with one or two more.
Apart from the odd occasion where we actually were led into battle by somebody there may have been 10 in the room listening in, but that was at launch in the first month and all those players are gone.
Even when asked to join people just wouldn't, some wouldn't even consider it.

I don't claim to know everybodys background, but a lot of players in family were/are new to fonline in general.afaik
Perhaps they didn't/don't understand the benefits that comes from using comms,
and perhaps underestimate what it does for the enemy.

I know I did at first, I was a naysayer. "I dont need to hear some guy breathing down a mic at me"
But I quickly changed my tune when I realised the enemy was organised far more efficiently than a side chat would allow.
Now, I'd listen to someone with the worst breathing problems in existence if he/she was willing to be commander.

Right now, we do what we can I guess.
I'd be willing to lead in battle with teamspeak. Hell, I can even get family a teamspeak by using abandoned amboy duke teamspeak or pistoleros TS.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 08, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
You're Preaching to the choir  :D
If someone gave me an address I'd happily join and listen to a squad commander.
But out of the few players we do have its either...

1.No mic (I come here)
2.Unwilling to use comms, even to listen.
3.Someone may have a mic and comms, but is unwilling/un-wanting/incapable of leading for whatever reason.

We had a TS once, I can't access it anymore. I dont know who it belonged to.
However even then there was usually, Lexington and myself with one or two more.
Apart from the odd occasion where we actually were led into battle by somebody there may have been 10 in the room listening in, but that was at launch in the first month and all those players are gone.
Even when asked to join people just wouldn't, some wouldn't even consider it.

I don't claim to know everybodys background, but a lot of players in family were/are new to fonline in general.afaik
Perhaps they didn't/don't understand the benefits that comes from using comms,
and perhaps underestimate what it does for the enemy.

I know I did at first, I was a naysayer. "I dont need to hear some guy breathing down a mic at me"
But I quickly changed my tune when I realised the enemy was organised far more efficiently than a side chat would allow.
Now, I'd listen to someone with the worst breathing problems in existence if he/she was willing to be commander.

Right now, we do what we can I guess.
I'd be willing to lead in battle with teamspeak. Hell, I can even get family a teamspeak by using abandoned amboy duke teamspeak or pistoleros TS.

lets do this :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 07:11:18 PM
You're Preaching to the choir  :D
If someone gave me an address I'd happily join and listen to a squad commander.
But out of the few players we do have its either...

1.No mic (I come here)
2.Unwilling to use comms, even to listen.
3.Someone may have a mic and comms, but is unwilling/un-wanting/incapable of leading for whatever reason.

We had a TS once, I can't access it anymore. I dont know who it belonged to.
However even then there was usually, Lexington and myself with one or two more.
Apart from the odd occasion where we actually were led into battle by somebody there may have been 10 in the room listening in, but that was at launch in the first month and all those players are gone.
Even when asked to join people just wouldn't, some wouldn't even consider it.

I don't claim to know everybodys background, but a lot of players in family were/are new to fonline in general.afaik
Perhaps they didn't/don't understand the benefits that comes from using comms,
and perhaps underestimate what it does for the enemy.

I know I did at first, I was a naysayer. "I dont need to hear some guy breathing down a mic at me"
But I quickly changed my tune when I realised the enemy was organised far more efficiently than a side chat would allow.
Now, I'd listen to someone with the worst breathing problems in existence if he/she was willing to be commander.

Right now, we do what we can I guess.
I'd be willing to lead in battle with teamspeak. Hell, I can even get family a teamspeak by using abandoned amboy duke teamspeak or pistoleros TS.

+1

You had me from the beginning, now the rest of us.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 08, 2014, 08:18:39 PM

+1

You had me from the beginning, now the rest of us.
But everyone listens to Komrade, I don't know why, he still thinks I play with V-Tec even though I've been fighting with them constantly for the past weeks. And not sure if we're "allied" with Brahmin Boys. shot at me, chased me, and killed me, later to say "oh we didn't see you were family" bunch of dumbfucks
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 08:45:11 PM

+1

You had me from the beginning, now the rest of us.
But everyone listens to Komrade, I don't know why, he still thinks I play with V-Tec even though I've been fighting with them constantly for the past weeks. And not sure if we're "allied" with Brahmin Boys. shot at me, chased me, and killed me, later to say "oh we didn't see you were family" bunch of dumbfucks

I can't account for any of that neither can I assure BBoys won't shoot at you, outside of ZC
but there are ways to win trust.
Courier managed it, he was in the same boat as you when you guys arrived.
(Try to remember how many of us you killed while under other colors, your name is kinda memorable you know.)
And we managed to win the trust of BBoys, As far as I'm concerned the ones that count (They know who they are) Have our trust too.
All is possible given time.

Go with a few well knowns to do some ZC and show them you're in it with us...Kill a bunch Tecs in front of everyone, save a BB from certain death with your FASTICHMEHSKILLZ that I know you got.
Dont go out taking on PA and tec swarms all by yourself. Make a spectacle of it and impress teh newbs (Which btw we have a few of atm)

There is all sorts of things, and then we can get on TS and kick some TEC ASS! ;D...And maybe a Lawyer or two, if we get time  8)

As for people listening to Komrade, yes ofc they do, he's done a lot for us (Including acting as liaison and securing a "Mutual agreement effecting the foreseeable future" with the remaining BBoys.
However everyone also has a mind of their own.
And just for the record, I know one or two players that will listen to you if it means better funner fights.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 08, 2014, 10:05:25 PM
Hold on Stalker isn't Family, he helped take out a few family just two days ago!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 08, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Hold on Stalker isn't Family, he helped take out a few family just two days ago!
Uhm...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 08, 2014, 11:32:56 PM
Hilarious. :D

What a waste of time that was  ::)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 09, 2014, 08:31:29 AM
Hilarious. :D

What a waste of time that was  ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on December 09, 2014, 03:28:17 PM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 09, 2014, 04:49:39 PM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on December 09, 2014, 04:56:52 PM
Well it was Count Matthew, Atac, Wilk and me inside the room.

Hellmoi (Lawyer) plays with us from time to time, he came in late and killed the last guy who was trying to run lol. He plays with Vtech whenever he doesn't have a team in Lawyers. And he doesn't smell that bad once you get used to it.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 09, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
Well we actually found him first, he must have just been on his way back.
At first we thought it was just him running around, and then we proceeded to check every single room in poly before getting to the one you guys were in, and you were there for the rest.

So gg. :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 09, 2014, 10:29:33 PM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: 3.14 on December 10, 2014, 05:51:04 AM
If someone is willing to compile a list of needed commands (and keys for them), then I'm more then willing to use my script-fu to add them to my little hot-key program ( http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=1459.msg10061#msg10061 ). I can even pack it into an exe if installing Python, win32com and pyHook is to hard for people.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 10, 2014, 06:08:48 AM
Autohotkey for the win!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 10, 2014, 08:45:37 AM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action

ey man if u plan anything for the weekend let me know it , im in for everything ;)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 10, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action

ey man if u plan anything for the weekend let me know it , im in for everything ;)

Get a room!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 10, 2014, 09:24:35 AM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action

ey man if u plan anything for the weekend let me know it , im in for everything ;)

Get a room!

gimme 3 more guys from rogue plus stalker and all v tec will be dead ;P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Myakot on December 10, 2014, 09:46:08 AM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action

ey man if u plan anything for the weekend let me know it , im in for everything ;)

Get a room!

gimme 3 more guys from rogue plus stalker and all v tec will be dead ;P
This quote list is not long enough.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 10, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action

ey man if u plan anything for the weekend let me know it , im in for everything ;)

Get a room!

gimme 3 more guys from rogue plus stalker and all v tec will be dead ;P
This quote list is not long enough.
Must add more!!

I'll try getting some old AoP players on (armor king, dovoka, whoever else I can get)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 10, 2014, 07:43:22 PM
So Stem, the 'battle for PV Polymer' tonight was us without suff or voice comms (4 people from 4 languages). But all of this of course is only possible because of playing with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to General Stalker MKII leading his troops into battle.
I doubt stalker will be leading anything much from family, things will probably go on much the same as they are at the moment.
While you develop the family stand stagnant and unchanging.

Yes very well played today.

I'm sure I saw at least one more, inside the room too but I have been mistaken before.
And I'll say again I never said you guys lose every battle without suff...Because you don't.
And what's with the Lawyer that seems to have been following you guys around like a bad stench?

A new scout?
What you gonna do again Teela? camp a fucken bathroom and get raped again?

and Saturday you will see the Great General in action

ey man if u plan anything for the weekend let me know it , im in for everything ;)

Get a room!

gimme 3 more guys from rogue plus stalker and all v tec will be dead ;P
This quote list is not long enough.
Must add more!!

I'll try getting some old AoP players on (armor king, dovoka, whoever else I can get)

that would be great , just let me know if anything happens ill try to provide them all with PAs bahahahahaha
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 14, 2014, 09:43:22 PM
btw the idea with autohotkeys is okey but i think some day u need a new keyboard outta space with all that hotkey lel , its even hard for me to find any new good ones because all letters used , space key is used strg plus nearest buttons is used , its very hard ... cirn0 make things happen ... the core needs more dungeons and pve content and players will come back ... caravans in the core should be fun ... to go with them through the whole core maps and get paid by it , would be classic to see what happens , player raids or deadly deathclaws spawn lel ... we need more content ... sugarman , sugarman , sugarman ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 15, 2014, 06:49:00 PM
btw the idea with autohotkeys is okey but i think some day u need a new keyboard outta space with all that hotkey lel , its even hard for me to find any new good ones because all letters used , space key is used strg plus nearest buttons is used , its very hard ... cirn0 make things happen ... the core needs more dungeons and pve content and players will come back ... caravans in the core should be fun ... to go with them through the whole core maps and get paid by it , would be classic to see what happens , player raids or deadly deathclaws spawn lel ... we need more content ... sugarman , sugarman , sugarman ...
I thought AoP was suppose to be a pure PvP server :V with minimum PvE

and as I said numerous times before, major factions don't want to play with random idiots/noobs
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 15, 2014, 06:56:08 PM
well it seems like server without pve cant exist , the servers with high numbers are the PvE major ones ... it seems like people love to roleplay ncr rangers or juncktown guards or scouts lel or want to play even a mutie , and if im true AoP does lack content in general because its 1st season , the problem i think why many people left , im not talking about gangs in genearl , but also random players is , that they seen everything after a week or so and it becomes boring , i mean u cant do all that grind stuff like in other servers , which for many randoms is fun :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 15, 2014, 07:41:42 PM
People who love pve won't do pvp by own will anyway. It's quite amazing how Fo2 made them to participate.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 15, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
(http://www11.pic-upload.de/16.12.14/6h7balgmskh.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-25569013/B4olHsvIcAErd17.jpg.html)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 15, 2014, 10:02:38 PM
Is this what pvp has come to - capping zones when none of the other factions are online? There has been 5+ vtec from 7.30pm until about 2am looking to pvp. There has been 20+ players on the server all that time too. Family only decides to ZC when population drops below 10 people, seriously is this the best you can do? No wonder server is dead, none of you want to fight, u just wanna cap zones when no one else online O.o
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 15, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Is this what pvp has come to - capping zones when none of the other factions are online? There has been 5+ vtec from 7.30pm until about 2am looking to pvp. There has been 20+ players on the server all that time too. Family only decides to ZC when population drops below 10 people, seriously is this the best you can do? No wonder server is dead, none of you want to fight, u just wanna cap zones when no one else online O.o
Maybe because no family is on?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 15, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Is this what pvp has come to - capping zones when none of the other factions are online? There has been 5+ vtec from 7.30pm until about 2am looking to pvp. There has been 20+ players on the server all that time too. Family only decides to ZC when population drops below 10 people, seriously is this the best you can do? No wonder server is dead, none of you want to fight, u just wanna cap zones when no one else online O.o

LeL dunno where these 20 players were , most of family players stay online (~3-5) but are AfK they do fight if enemy is there but the most active players are only around some hours before 20.00 gmt +1  , o´komrade said he will bring some new meat , well lets see ...

P.S.

U raging mad bruuuh , dont let the rage controll you ...
(http://www11.pic-upload.de/16.12.14/jyu6csetw5tj.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-25569223/Rageee.jpg.html)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 15, 2014, 10:37:18 PM
Not raging buddy, I just don't see the point in capping when you have no opposition. Seems absolutely pointless.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 15, 2014, 10:52:18 PM
Not raging buddy, I just don't see the point in capping when you have no opposition. Seems absolutely pointless.

yeah im totally with you but this problem is made out of low server population and there is nuthin we can do about it ... all i see is that serveres with more PvE content got a greater playerbase , which leads to more organised PvP in my opionin .

AoP got great potential in my opinion and we will see where cirn0 will take the server , plus im hopin that other and old devs are comming back to support him , hes really a cool guy .
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 16, 2014, 05:23:37 PM
MrGreen, sorry for what I've said in the last video, I just was disappointed of my damage output, although it's not a good excuse. Also I doubt you speak English, and probably call me much worse stuff in Russian, although it's not the best excuse as well.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 17, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
I find the core a very hostile place at the moment.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 17, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
I find the core a very hostile place at the moment.

Go play sims
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 17, 2014, 03:16:17 PM
I find the core a very hostile place at the moment.

Go play sims

But I wouldn't get to see you rage all the time...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 17, 2014, 03:37:12 PM
I find the core a very hostile place at the moment.

Go play sims

But I wouldn't get to see you rage all the time...

And I wouldn't get to kill your Lawyer alt...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 17, 2014, 04:45:55 PM
Guysh come pvp - we are only 5, the swarm is a lie. No Paragon either, eaasy pickings.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Stem Sunders on December 17, 2014, 05:22:52 PM
When Grizzly and I came it was literally just us, we took 4 zones with 5 guys then 3 left for the night  :-\
When I checked there was 1 player, who I think is afk on the whole squad list and no response in chat.
Every Time anyone looks at the "players online" they should probably subtract a couple for afk's on our end :D

Cap the night away!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 18, 2014, 09:03:26 PM
Courier is making screenshots of loot piles and killing 1 person with 6 people and putting it on the forum xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 18, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Courier is making screenshots of loot piles and killing 1 person with 6 people and putting it on the forum xD
Not his fault V-Tec doesn't have the balls to go fight 6 players.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 18, 2014, 10:24:52 PM
Sure thing just as anyone (:
Also quite interesting to hear it from you, who played only for swarm.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 18, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
Courier is making screenshots of loot piles and killing 1 person with 6 people and putting it on the forum xD

i dunno what u talking about , lel u had same number of people than we had on both screens even more i guess what we have seen from timer ... unfortunately i dont have screen of the fights with all members from before .

1. u really pissed me off when u used family guereilla technique camping the sewer point where we tried to go out of core , because no enemy was showing up and we wasnt at core with swarm lel only 4 or 5 people atm ...

2. Komrade gathered some family mambers after that, i think we were 5 or 6 to take a zone and i said yeah lets do it , so i took my pa build with mg42 , then v tec arised with equal numbers , well ... it was a quick battle , suff died like chicken without doing anything because most of fam members focused you and you and your monkeys were busy stiming faing ... , some brave v tecs died with you , one or two fleed ... i guess that moment was really shocking for you .

3. after that we went to capture another zone because we wanted to have some pvp and we did know that u have same numbers , i didnt even took a pa , well we waited 1+ hour at gun runners and robco , even ramon sneaked around us and killed some randoms but u were so scared that u didnt attack and when u tried u failed so hard ... im guessing u thought that we were 14 people or so lel but in reality we only were 6 or 7  and from this people even 1 or 2 randoms aka einstein i think , but im noot sure , well after that most of the people decided to log off because no action and too long waiting . i guess its another v tec tactic but i dunno .

4. the truth is that i was suprised that there were some real good players at family and i think family did a very good job , well we have players that play everyday its about dam time ... show screens with proof that we killed 1 tec with 6 people ? there were always more than 1 tec around us ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 18, 2014, 11:30:28 PM
Mate, I'm kinda tired of all the bullshit you are spreading.

You have no idea how much people did we have.
You have no idea what did we know about you.
You had 2 teams capping the zone 9 people in whole when we attacked one of the teams with 4 people against 4 and you still whining.
You lie / blind about enemy number, do not saying that all the wins you ever had are because of NPC patrols.
You find the smallest corner in the whole core, put there machingunners and flamers and expect somebody to attack you.
It's not me who posting any dead body he can and  even without dead bodies but just with loot on the ground trying to show how cool he is.

In the end, I'm really happy you're saying all this, so the more people know the truth and can compare with you words, the more people can make right opinion about you.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 18, 2014, 11:36:23 PM
lel im unhappy that i dont have a screen from central village where u were all alive but i can remember what i have seen and u can see our numbers on that screen i count 6 ... and i know that there were atleast 6 v tecs against us ...

on second case u act like this corner is unreachable lel , u can enter that corner from maryland avenue grid , u can shoot through the fence from v tec enterprise grid entering zone plus u can enter that corner from the door at the garage this makes 3 possibilty to enter that corner , u acting like we were camping the sewers like u did before or some toilett  :-\
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 18, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
So you want to play it backwards? I put 6 people in that corner with the same equipment as yours, you're coming with 6 people without PA and with whatever you want and assaulting.

You have no idea what happened in sewers, just another miss-guess. Really, better don't talk when you know nothing.
And even if we camped it with 4 people against your 4 - what's the problem? We haven't even been at the ladder then you entered.

Oh, actually wait, we had 3 people against yours 4. SWARMERS.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 18, 2014, 11:44:46 PM
So you want to play it backwards? I put 6 people in that corner with the same equipment as yours, you're coming with 6 people without PA and with whatever you want and assaulting.

You have no idea what happened in sewers, just another miss-guess. Really, better don't talk when you know nothing.

sure go in that corner with 6 people and i show you with another 6 people how to do it lel ...

dont act like its impossible and we didnt used top notch equipment , no pa at robco , no mg42 at robco ... only one avenger and one lasergatling . you ever heard of grenades in aop or area effect weapons ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 18, 2014, 11:47:45 PM
Sure, we'll be the same. No PA, no mg42, no top-equipment (:
prepare your team.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on December 19, 2014, 04:28:03 AM
Parangon, you need to chill out, you're getting angry about a screenshot in the PvP Screens section wtf why ?

You have no idea how much people did we have.
You have no idea what did we know about you.

But you do know everything right ? Your anger makes you say irrelevant things. It's pvp section man, everybody always adds numbers in opponent team in all Fonline forums. Everybody posts victory screenshot. Don't get pissed off about that, you have a team you play good, just play and have fun...  :)

And you can't blame people to camp a building when VTech (I mean your faction, not you) do that all the time, even when they are more, even when they come to defend a zone that is being capped. While Family and BB always come to us when we dare taking a zone..  :'(

PvP discussion is only about taunting (sometimes flamming but well you can't avoid it), just chill man take some popcorn and enjoy the screens and videos  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 19, 2014, 06:12:13 AM
You have no idea how do I feel.... (:

But I'd be glad if you point out what exactly is irrelevant.
I'm starting to go personal when someone is saying "Everybody", "all the time", playing the same game of taunting but on the different level. Taunt however you like, but I really don't like public spreading lies.

Did you ever see that I deny or regret about my death? If yes, please show me this moment of weakness (: I'm first to admit any fail, but not gonna tolerate bullshit.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on December 19, 2014, 06:45:23 AM
I'm saying you're starting to get emo on PvP section and that's not worth it  :)

I was saying irrelevant when you were all like You know nothing Jon Snow, like you on the other side knew everything, that's just childish  ;D Nothing to do with you denying or regretting any death
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 19, 2014, 06:51:00 AM
If I don't know something, I'm not trying to tell everyone about it. That was the point.

Have to google exact meaning of "childish" in the end, 1 sec... hm. Something like "silly and immature"? Well, I can't agree that saying that someone doesn't know something is any sillier or more immature than thinking that I'm implying by that that I know everything.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on December 19, 2014, 07:01:01 AM
I don't understand why you still don't want to read what I meant.
Anyway if you want to go emo rage when people taunt you on PvP forum, it's up to you. I do think it's not worth it but of course I'm not forcing you  :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on December 19, 2014, 08:31:44 AM
I read somewhere that you wont fight us if we are 12 fam+bb vs 4 tecs. No matter how much your imagination wants it, we sadly weren't 9, ever, actually I dont remember Family having that many players together for some time. We were 7 and no more that's a fact, you were at least 7 too so why didnt you try to attack ? You say its because of that stupid corner in robco, then why didnt you attack in gunrunners ? The truth is you wanted to defend again because you aren't used not camping.

Anyway don't think your emorage is enough for the hour that we wasted.

Poor paragon, you make me really sad  :( Go and reflect on your actions and stop shaming yourself here.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 19, 2014, 08:50:06 AM
Ah, empty words again. But i find it so tempting to answer.

Then why didnt you attack in gunrunners ? - because I had 3 people online. Also I never gave anyone my word that I will attack, so why do I? You guys never answered to my suggestion of making the game much easier, less time-wasting and enjoyable by dedicating concrete time and rules for pvp, so why do I have to care about you?

You're right, so sad something has to spend own life creating sand castles based on own guessing.

> The truth is you wanted to defend again because you aren't used not camping.
Watch vids, and come back enlightened about your poor believes and experience.

> emorage
You guys clearly sux in determining my mood (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 19, 2014, 04:53:13 PM
All I'm going to say is if you continue this consistant bagering bullshit and gloating whenever you get a win, then you'll soon find the core a very lonely place to be. I for one enjoyed the fights, even though we lost 2 - one where were 4 + 1 random came later, versus 7 of you in Central City Village an the other where you had a great position in Robco. It saddens me to think you thought that win was a waste of time on your part, because even though we lost I really enjoyed strategising on mumble about best ways of attack. Some of you guys play for all the wrong reasons, it's about strategy and winning regardless of odds etc. Some of you guys want to win and piss the other side off on forums, but that for me is childish and completely against any sportsman like behaviour, in any game. THIS is why you lose 80% of fights, you throw your dicks at us and hope for a win, lose most of the time and rub it in our faces when you get a win. It's stupid. The whole attitude on some Family is ridiculous.

I'm not perfect. Ask anyone I play with - I'm competative and rage hard when we die stupidly and believe me we should have won in Robco last night even though u were more players and your gear was superior. But hey ho we live and learn.

I don't care that you win sometimes, you deserved to win both times last night. I'm not stupid, it's great for the server that we can't swarm anymore and we don't win everytime. But your attitudes when you win stinks.

I have come to really respect my opponents in BB and Family, but none more so than the quietly talented and skillful players, who contribute more to your team then any of you that gloat and try and humiliate on the forums.

Try a little humility guys, it goes a long way..
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 19, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
All I'm going to say is if you continue this consistant bagering bullshit and gloating whenever you get a win, then you'll soon find the core a very lonely place to be. I for one enjoyed the fights, even though we lost 2 - one where were 4 + 1 random came later, versus 7 of you in Central City Village an the other where you had a great position in Robco. It saddens me to think you thought that win was a waste of time on your part, because even though we lost I really enjoyed strategising on mumble about best ways of attack. Some of you guys play for all the wrong reasons, it's about strategy and winning regardless of odds etc. Some of you guys want to win and piss the other side off on forums, but that for me is childish and completely against any sportsman like behaviour, in any game. THIS is why you lose 80% of fights, you throw your dicks at us and hope for a win, lose most of the time and rub it in our faces when you get a win. It's stupid. The whole attitude on some Family is ridiculous.

I'm not perfect. Ask anyone I play with - I'm competative and rage hard when we die stupidly and believe me we should have won in Robco last night even though u were more players and your gear was superior. But hey ho we live and learn.

I don't care that you win sometimes, you deserved to win both times last night. I'm not stupid, it's great for the server that we can't swarm anymore and we don't win everytime. But your attitudes when you win stinks.

I have come to really respect my opponents in BB and Family, but none more so than the quietly talented and skillful players, who contribute more to your team then any of you that gloat and try and humiliate on the forums.

Try a little humility guys, it goes a long way..

the difference is that family and bb even go into the core fighting when they have less numbers , today family had 7 or 8 guys for 2 hours , we looked for any enemys and fights but noone was there ... u cant say in first place we want more PvP and then u dont show off ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on December 19, 2014, 05:19:04 PM
No one was gloating over you. But coming after a whole hour will normally bring ire no ?
Also come back to the core if you want some pvp. That attitude we win or we leave wont help anyone anyway.

You see by yourself that was first time you lost in fair battle and forums came alive cause of butthurt ? When I told the new guys that we gonna fight tecs and that it will be hard they believed me. You losing in a fight is ok, but not coming at all ?

Think of it yourself and do what you want, you know I will still be there for you  :)     
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 19, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
I love all this talk I see

paragon acting as if he were a god ingame

caboose thinking he's all high and mighty (which both are clearly not xD)

can we get some fucken real PvP going on instead of all this crap...also would be nice if cirn0/smalltime/pornman could organize a TEAMBASED PvP event with some reward or something. Power armor? tier 3 weapon? caps? something :V

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: cirn0 on December 20, 2014, 02:30:46 AM
What do you propose? As the holidays are coming i'm actually getting more busy :( and having less time spent on AoP.

You plan it, i'll fund it.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on December 20, 2014, 03:03:40 AM
If I've pissed on your corpse, it really isn't to gloat, its just my characters signature. I've been doing it since launch and some people got perturbed about it today. If it means we get to have more fights I'll stop doing that kind of shit, I just legitimately didn't know how far the tables had turned when I got back to the game after being away a while.


I would be all in favor of getting together in teamspeak one day to discuss organized small teams events just for shits and gigs, not for taking the piss on the other side (I had to throw that one in there). PM me if anyone wants to talk.


That all being said, I do love the randomness of battles that occur in the core, both in numbers and weaponry. That needs to stick around.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on December 20, 2014, 03:07:30 AM
What do you propose? As the holidays are coming i'm actually getting more busy :( and having less time spent on AoP.

You plan it, i'll fund it.

Do you have time to play at least an hour or two on holidays?

I mean come on, you should play it. At least you will know much closely what you're working on.

Everyone wants to kill the developer. You don't even need to organize the event.

We even can play RP scenarios as "Defend the VIP crossing the core" or "Prevent developer's team from capturing all flags" (because if they do, they'll delete 20 random characters).

Only stalker cares about the loot, I think many people would like to play just knowing that you're online, with or against you.

We need our "2 weekends developers' hours"!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 20, 2014, 03:38:25 AM
family will rise ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6ZO4cN201Y

We're The Gang, and we're mashing, blast to maintain
We're the kings in the game, and things ain't to change
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 20, 2014, 03:56:58 AM
What do you propose? As the holidays are coming i'm actually getting more busy :( and having less time spent on AoP.

You plan it, i'll fund it.

i dunno what about the map ive made , it could also be used for some event ... we all have great x mas holidays , we need some entertaiment :p
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on December 20, 2014, 07:23:23 AM
No one was gloating over you. But coming after a whole hour will normally bring ire no ?
Also come back to the core if you want some pvp. That attitude we win or we leave wont help anyone anyway.

You see by yourself that was first time you lost in fair battle and forums came alive cause of butthurt ? When I told the new guys that we gonna fight tecs and that it will be hard they believed me. You losing in a fight is ok, but not coming at all ?

Think of it yourself and do what you want, you know I will still be there for you  :)   

I really enjoyed our fight yesterday Komrade.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 20, 2014, 09:24:18 AM
All I'm going to say is if you continue this consistant bagering bullshit and gloating whenever you get a win, then you'll soon find the core a very lonely place to be. I for one enjoyed the fights, even though we lost 2 - one where were 4 + 1 random came later, versus 7 of you in Central City Village an the other where you had a great position in Robco. It saddens me to think you thought that win was a waste of time on your part, because even though we lost I really enjoyed strategising on mumble about best ways of attack. Some of you guys play for all the wrong reasons, it's about strategy and winning regardless of odds etc. Some of you guys want to win and piss the other side off on forums, but that for me is childish and completely against any sportsman like behaviour, in any game. THIS is why you lose 80% of fights, you throw your dicks at us and hope for a win, lose most of the time and rub it in our faces when you get a win. It's stupid. The whole attitude on some Family is ridiculous.

I'm not perfect. Ask anyone I play with - I'm competative and rage hard when we die stupidly and believe me we should have won in Robco last night even though u were more players and your gear was superior. But hey ho we live and learn.

I don't care that you win sometimes, you deserved to win both times last night. I'm not stupid, it's great for the server that we can't swarm anymore and we don't win everytime. But your attitudes when you win stinks.

I have come to really respect my opponents in BB and Family, but none more so than the quietly talented and skillful players, who contribute more to your team then any of you that gloat and try and humiliate on the forums.

Try a little humility guys, it goes a long way..

the difference is that family and bb even go into the core fighting when they have less numbers , today family had 7 or 8 guys for 2 hours , we looked for any enemys and fights but noone was there ... u cant say in first place we want more PvP and then u dont show off ...

Use your brain Courier, why do you think we didnt come? Think about it logically, bare in mind I would come pvp in a cock warmer and spandex weilding a fucking lollypop.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 20, 2014, 09:31:13 AM
well family too stronk now for everybody , im with komrade at core , we are only 3 guys and some poor lawyer guys thinks we are 6+ lel ... hahahaha
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 20, 2014, 02:41:16 PM
I think we need a new topic titled: 'Screenshots of courier with people who are kill'. We can keep this one for pvp discussion and videos.
I think V-Tec needs to know the difference between "PvP Movies and Screen" and "PvP Discussion"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on December 20, 2014, 03:48:22 PM
I think we need a new topic titled: 'Screenshots of courier with people who are kill'. We can keep this one for pvp discussion and videos.

POINT FOR STALKER.

Your mother is a hamster too.
I think V-Tec needs to know the difference between "PvP Movies and Screen" and "PvP Discussion"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 20, 2014, 04:07:44 PM
Learn to quote

and I don't need loot, I have everything I need x5
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: 3.14 on December 20, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
I think I know where some misconceptions about swarms come from.
Just a moment ago we had a fight, that from my point of view was 2vs2 with 3vs2 at some point, but from the other team it looked like it was 2vs6.

What I saw:
1 sneak in a area where 2 enemies are taking a zone, 1 more player going there via the core. The sneak is killed at about the same time when the 1st non-sneak player enters, but alas before that player can move in to attack, deathclaws appear and for a few minutes pvp turns to pve. Moments later the initial sneak (now relogged) +1 more player enter the zone and are engaged in a 2vs2 fight while the unlucky player that was fighting the claws rushes to the fry. Too late. One of the attacking players is killed and it's again 2vs2 for a moment until one of the enemies falls and the other flees (btw. Data - you are one lucky Son of a Mother ^^).  Apparently there was another player from yet another faction involved, but I can't say who or when, never saw him/her.

From my point of view it was a fair fight, 2 friends and 1 enemy dead, there was no point in time where more then 2 players where fighting or even in fighting range, yet after the fight we are told that we won by swarming. The other team saw 6, but there where only 3 of us.

 
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on December 20, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
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Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on December 20, 2014, 10:33:31 PM
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Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on December 20, 2014, 11:03:53 PM
I never realized what degenerates V-tec are.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: nailbrain on December 21, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
how so liitle playerbase can generate so much bullshit
daim
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on December 21, 2014, 03:02:06 PM
only creme de la creme at AoP xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on January 28, 2015, 01:52:40 PM
There's Doon in v-tec and couple more French-speaking guys. I'd really suggest to contact them and drag into lawyers, if you need players.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ananas rape on January 28, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
There's Doon in v-tec and couple more French-speaking guys. I'd really suggest to contact them and drag into lawyers, if you need players.
don't discuss pvp paragon let adults handle it and u can play with your toys
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on February 01, 2015, 02:07:56 AM
Sorry :D
(http://www11.pic-upload.de/01.02.15/qk5zwzehti1.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-26007476/Sorry.jpg.html)

and


Rush The Loot :D
(http://www11.pic-upload.de/01.02.15/49w3gha48in.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-26007474/thewatcher.jpg.html)
Sorry Watcher had to post it  ::)
Hey, there is context to that. It wasn't exactly pvp
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on February 01, 2015, 02:16:15 AM
Sorry :D
(http://www11.pic-upload.de/01.02.15/qk5zwzehti1.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-26007476/Sorry.jpg.html)

and


Rush The Loot :D
(http://www11.pic-upload.de/01.02.15/49w3gha48in.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-26007474/thewatcher.jpg.html)
Sorry Watcher had to post it  ::)
Hey, there is context to that. It wasn't exactly pvp

hahabout second one yeah but first one is nice pvp never heard sorry from a playa that  attacked me 8)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Grand Bill King on February 02, 2015, 06:26:05 AM
moar rekt

http://youtu.be/RwigE57mVmI
Nice videos make more, and try do die last of your friends.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on February 12, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
sneak finally reduced to living sentry cam

truly thats the most fun gameplay ive ever seen

absolutely not. play instead of whining, and probably you'll see
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on February 12, 2015, 02:32:18 PM
absolutely not. play instead of whining, and probably you'll see

don't be silly, whining is winning
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on February 20, 2015, 09:33:31 PM
cowards teamed up on us all day  ,,|,

stop killing the server plz
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VVish on February 21, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
Previous evening you had only 5 lawyers as enemies. If you're counting factionless with 14 level chars who was neither in our squad nor communicating much as enemies - congratulations with new member of Whinning Platoon.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on February 21, 2015, 10:03:19 PM
you have a bad attitude and you act like a tough guy. I wonder how tough you are.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on February 22, 2015, 01:11:17 AM
cowards teamed up on us all day  ,,|,

stop killing the server plz

Oh come on you must have had fun killing the factionless, I know I had fun dying

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on February 22, 2015, 03:17:19 AM
cowards teamed up on us all day  ,,|,

stop killing the server plz

No offence but you said you wanted PvP. So we got some people together for PvP. It was a fun day and a rare day without v tech swarm.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on February 22, 2015, 03:18:31 AM
Previous evening you had only 5 lawyers as enemies. If you're counting factionless with 14 level chars who was neither in our squad nor communicating much as enemies - congratulations with new member of Whinning Platoon.

Most of the lawyers were in communication with the factionless. Wish and another were in their own chat, effectively making two independent squads. Worked well
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on February 22, 2015, 04:28:37 AM
So factionless teamed up with lawyer ?

I wonder where will i go, now...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VVish on February 22, 2015, 04:35:28 AM
Most of the lawyers were in communication with the factionless. Wish and another were in their own chat, effectively making two independent squads. Worked well
Sorry for wrong info then, TWAT. I had no idea factionless were really helping us, in fact I tried to punch them so they'll not run under my feet.
But anyway, you had perfect opportunity to feel how's that to play slightly outnumbered. Nothing bad happened.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on February 22, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
Might aswell be only 2 factions. Vtec and everyone else. Factionless is killing the server, the sooner folk get over this ridiculous fad, the sooner we can go back to normal.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on February 22, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
Says the faction that didn't started to work on its issues, in six months, despite everyone telling them about it, in kind/harsh/direct/implicit/you name it/ ways
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Professor Lemur on February 22, 2015, 12:18:20 PM
I don't see what the problem is with the factionless. Being an ex-rat, I can say it's a good choice for hardcore gameplay. It's enjoyable and you have to put a lot more thought into how you're going to enter the zone. It also means you have to pretty much know every escape route possible so you don't get cornered by some V-Tecs.

Plus, you can really do a lot with them if they're helping out your faction. Without  interfering with ZC... well, you know.

tl;dr Nowt wrong with being factionless, stop crying and accept it
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on February 22, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Being factionless literally only has 1 upside. you can't be seen running around the core via a timer. Complaining about lvl 8s, 14, and 10s,  taking on superior numbers+gear+opposition above level 24 makes not much sense.
Factionless is doing the opposite of killing the server IMO, it lets all of the people who's factions are near dead still have fun without worrying about bullshit like Zones ( for the vendor) or gear.

Edit: To clarify, taking part in ZC is great when it really doesn't matter at all to you personally and doesn't affect your gameplay in the slightest.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Professor Lemur on February 22, 2015, 06:43:47 PM
Well, I have to say I support it and certainly won't be taking potshots at you guys. Every single factionless player has been nothing but sound fellows. Let me know if I can get you anything next time I'm online. Just pm me and I'll do what I can.
Quick edit: I was looting down the south when I saw the family swarm over most of the zones. Well done you guys. I salute you.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on February 22, 2015, 06:44:13 PM
Being factionless literally only has 1 upside. you can't be seen running around the core via a timer. Complaining about lvl 8s, 14, and 10s,  taking on superior numbers+gear+opposition above level 24 makes not much sense.
Factionless is doing the opposite of killing the server IMO, it lets all of the people who's factions are near dead still have fun without worrying about bullshit like Zones ( for the vendor) or gear.

Edit: To clarify, taking part in ZC is great when it really doesn't matter at all to you personally and doesn't affect your gameplay in the slightest.

... unreal . Of course it breaks zc. lel u just explained it pretty gud
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on February 22, 2015, 08:11:44 PM
Let's remind a few things about sewer-rats.
- No assignement, no XP for ZC. It take long time to level up in the core.
- No place to hide your gear/no way of crafting. You die, you lose everything you got.
- You can't craft/buy anything. Your only gear is what you pick. You don't choose what gear you will use.
- You don't have access to stuff that is exclusive to faction HQ. Useless you killed faction players who carry it, you don't have som stuff like sneak-boy/defibrilator/power armors/other stuff. (at least, i didn't found any in containers)
- With lower level, lower gear, all threat are more dangerous for you.
- All the location you can access are public location. Before action, you won't gather safelly in your HQ. For any gather point you pick, you might be ambushed before being all together.
- You have no reward. No zone to provide you income, no safe place to hide the loot you got from enemies. You don't abuse anything, since you ultimately get nothing.
- Last but not the least. All of these things tend to piss off a lot of player, who won't want to try that thing. Which mean the sewer rats won't be able to overwhelm anyone.

Tell me which one of those things is killing the server ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on February 22, 2015, 10:10:44 PM
There are many people who would not mind having a factionless alt.
It is not that hard to get a lvled up factionless toon and load them out.
I think one of them breaks zc honestly.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on February 22, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
There are many people who would not mind having a factionless alt.
It is not that hard to get a lvled up factionless toon and load them out.
I think one of them breaks zc honestly.

Then you're just purposely abusing and exploiting the factionless experiment.  Everyone I've played with in factionless takes everything from dead players and the core. It's about fun, not winning, someone doing what you mentioned only wants to win.

It doesn't break ZC in the slightest either, most Vtecs CHOSE to be hostile to the factionless, on the forums and in game. Factionless shows up at ZC? It's because you've been fucking with the gaia force of the core. Be a nicer person, factionless might just fight on your side. When it does break ZC is when players (In factions) start using factionless chars as a way of gaining an offensive edge.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on February 22, 2015, 11:10:33 PM
ok it is possible to 'exploit' in a way though. You are right that there can be factionless on either side, so the balance is not technically off. I think it is lame in ZC for obvious reasons. I am not 'complaining' and I am not the only one who is hoping for some change.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on February 23, 2015, 04:15:48 AM
Also have to remind that not all sewer rats are (currently) interested/involved in ZC.
Levelling on the core is long enough to occupy us for weeks.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on February 23, 2015, 09:19:51 PM
Most of the lawyers were in communication with the factionless. Wish and another were in their own chat, effectively making two independent squads. Worked well
Sorry for wrong info then, TWAT. I had no idea factionless were really helping us, in fact I tried to punch them so they'll not run under my feet.
But anyway, you had perfect opportunity to feel how's that to play slightly outnumbered. Nothing bad happened.

My butt hurts
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 06, 2015, 07:47:27 PM
Really good night of pvp guys, enjoyed all of it. Family great opponents.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 06, 2015, 08:10:03 PM
Really good night of pvp guys, enjoyed all of it. Family great opponents.
You outnumbered us by 5 more guys, dunno how you had fun.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 06, 2015, 08:23:57 PM
Really good night of pvp guys, enjoyed all of it. Family great opponents.
You outnumbered us by 5 more guys, dunno how you had fun.

Learn to count maybe?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 06, 2015, 08:46:11 PM
Sorry I can't count  :(

but funny how when we equal numbers, V-tec are eeaasssyyyy to kill :D, they're like NPCs
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 06, 2015, 09:00:05 PM
Sorry I can't count  :(

but funny how when we equal numbers, V-tec are eeaasssyyyy to kill :D, they're like NPCs

Haha you win some u lose some :)

Should have quit while we were ahead.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 08, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
how about actually using the gun instead of stashing it like a coward
As I stated on IRC, I did use it. Died to suff because I'm pretty sure he said "STALKER ALONE WITH LEGENDARY TURBO PLASMA"   and all vtec rushed me.

Luckily my friends got it back for me :D and please use Discussion thread :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on March 08, 2015, 06:38:32 PM
His exact words were: "STALKER north someone help me". Then :"Just one guy not all of you".

Then, after Suff and I heroically died rushing the enemy while the rest of the team somehow didn't manage to come around the corner and shoot, he said a couple of more things which I'm not going to repeat here.

Thanks for showing and happy camping.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 08, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
His exact words were: "STALKER north someone help me". Then :"Just one guy not all of you".

Then, after Suff and I heroically died rushing the enemy while the rest of the team somehow didn't manage to come around the corner and shoot, he said a couple of more things which I'm not going to repeat here.

Thanks for showing and happy camping.
of course we have to camp, all of you are shitty sneaker snipers. You're the reason why we stay inside the vault

and razor ramen thinks its a good idea to go up to enemies with a garand WHILE sneaking. Then ends up crying he dies easily with his shit 202 HP sneaker
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on March 08, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
Actually, he was quite a nasty opponement.
Since he sneaks, he doesn't appear before shooting and get some offensive bonus.
Of course, he won't shoot twice, but if lucky, he can deliver some nasty damage.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 08, 2015, 07:27:02 PM
His exact words were: "STALKER north someone help me". Then :"Just one guy not all of you".

Then, after Suff and I heroically died rushing the enemy while the rest of the team somehow didn't manage to come around the corner and shoot, he said a couple of more things which I'm not going to repeat here.

Thanks for showing and happy camping.
of course we have to camp, all of you are shitty sneaker snipers. You're the reason why we stay inside the vault

and razor ramen thinks its a good idea to go up to enemies with a garand WHILE sneaking. Then ends up crying he dies easily with his shit 202 HP sneaker

I actually enjoy trying to seige the vault - the battles have been thought provoking.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on March 08, 2015, 07:35:53 PM
@stalker
id rather go on suicide mission than be completely useless in a fight vs the hardest campers in aop

some weapon to flush people out of a room cant come soon enough
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 08, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
@stalker
id rather go on suicide mission than be completely useless in a fight vs the hardest campers in aop

some weapon to flush people out of a room cant come soon enough

Mustard rounds for Milkor wud be nice
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on March 08, 2015, 08:37:18 PM
of course we have to camp, all of you are shitty sneaker snipers. You're the reason why we stay inside the vault

Of course you have to camp, all of you have no idea how to play this game the any different way so it's your only chance to win. Sill I laugh every time shitty 200hp sneakers kill you inside the buildings (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 08, 2015, 10:53:33 PM
Of course you have to camp, all of you have no idea how to play this game the any different way so it's your only chance to win. Sill I laugh every time shitty 200hp sneakers kill you inside the buildings (:
oh look, the cry baby speaks. Can't ignore me on forum I see. Also every other V-tec does the dirty work while you guys run in last and finish us off.

And we do know how to play, our plan is working extremely well against sniper sneakers. We stay inside the vault, making you guys useless  ;)

@stalker
id rather go on suicide mission than be completely useless in a fight vs the hardest campers in aop
But it's the best way to counter sniper sneakers, being inside buildings :D but then we get cocky and rush out sometimes only to find out there's like 6 snipers sitting faaar back  :-\

some weapon to flush people out of a room cant come soon enough
You just don't know how to attack. There are sooo many ways you can attack the vault and weapons to flush us out, you just don't know how to  ;D

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 08, 2015, 11:07:18 PM
Again with the inability to count, 6 sneaker sniper huh?

It is fun for us to try and seige, but what's stopping us just sitting outside and playing the waiting game? I prefer to play from range anyway. Doesn't lead to very exciting pvp, does it? Camping a small space like that with 10 people isn't exactly difficult. But anyway, thanks for the challenge, we just need to practice at seige tactics and some of our newer players need to learn to bring a full kit - defib, grenades etc. But nothing teaches them like dying over and over.

Also we have a few wildcards that love to rush. Again, they will learn the hard way, just as I did.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 08, 2015, 11:15:45 PM
Again with the inability to count, 6 sneaker sniper huh?
Nope can't count  ;D As I stated before (even though there are 3 shitty sneak snipers while the rest are shitty snipers. Oh look, I can count afterall)

It is fun for us to try and seige, but what's stopping us just sitting outside and playing the waiting game? I prefer to play from range anyway.
You should try the DSR then, if you love playing at range, dunno why none of you use it  ???

Doesn't lead to very exciting pvp, does it? Camping a small space like that with 10 people isn't exactly difficult. But anyway, thanks for the challenge, we just need to practice at seige tactics and some of our newer players need to learn to bring a full kit - defib, grenades etc. But nothing teaches them like dying over and over.
I'm actually have lots of fun, you guys rush in and fail or sometimes we have to bail out of there cause we lost too many. Maybe get more players, you'll probably win  ;D (As we said before, equal numbers you guys are shit, and it's the truth)

BIG SHOUT OUT TO VTEC SWARM (I'm assuming suff) AND OTHER GUY WITH GAUSS FOR OUR GAUSS RIFLES   ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 08, 2015, 11:34:08 PM
I had DSR today with Andy, pretty successful with it. But I had to go back on Caboose as we didn't have a FTL.

Family has a tight group of between 4-6 players that play together alot. Vtec has a tight group of about 4 players that have played together ALOT - the majority of fights you'll not see the same 6-10 people from vtec. Alot of Vtec are relatively inexperienced, new players that don't bring correct/full kit. I'm not supprised you are winning the majority of fights at the moment.

I think you're being a little unfair STALKER. You cry when we swarm and you flame when you win with superior numbers. You should be glad we engage when you camp a small room with 10 people and when we are less. Also I don't know whether or not your guys were aware, but we had Lawyers to deal with too on more than 1 occasion.

Anyway GG and we'll see what the week brings.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 08, 2015, 11:36:43 PM


Have no idea who they were...but they weren't exactly helpful haha. Think they wanted to give you those weapons, may as well have just handed them over.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Oleg on March 08, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
Hey Es, Te, Ah, El, Kay, Eh, Ar.

This game has barely over 20 people at peak hours, not including your alts on other factions. So, it is what it is in PvP.

How bout you focus more on updating the Wiki than trollin' the forum. We need your efforts in the AoP manual.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on March 09, 2015, 03:39:32 AM
Stalker, I answered because it's always a pleasure to put the liar's face into the dirt.
Family didn't do successful attack during several months (: first too months of the new year were DSR camping / toilet camping, now toilet camping only. Skill
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on March 09, 2015, 04:32:27 AM
stalker is just happy about gauss rifles. plz stalker save me the trouble of making them legendary. kill one hundred twats. ur gonna give them back one day. that is just science.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on March 09, 2015, 05:26:00 AM
Not saying this is the case here, but building defense also has some level of effectiveness agains't swarm, as all the enemies can't enter at the same time. Of course, when they have six times your numbers, you will die soon or later, but at least you can deliver some casualties. Anyway, it get boring after a while. Hope the balance will come soon enough. It is much more important than spears nerf.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 09, 2015, 09:34:06 AM
Not saying this is the case here, but building defense also has some level of effectiveness agains't swarm, as all the enemies can't enter at the same time. Of course, when they have six times your numbers, you will die soon or later, but at least you can deliver some casualties. Anyway, it get boring after a while. Hope the balance will come soon enough. It is much more important than spears nerf.

SILENCE PEASANT, YOU KNOW NOT OF WHICH WE SPEAK!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on March 09, 2015, 09:35:18 AM
NERF SPEARS
I SAW PUSITE'S VIDEO

joking aside, where the heck did those guys get that gauss stuff
I must have missed something
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on March 09, 2015, 10:09:52 AM
Awesome, some nice pvp and I had to completely miss it all  :(
In the end Caboose might have been right about companionship and weakness but have to deal with it... for now. 

So much butthurt from vtecs for 1 day, be ready for spear nerf now.

Stalker, I answered because it's always a pleasure to put the liar's face into the dirt.
Family didn't do successful attack during several months (: first too months of the new year were DSR camping / toilet camping, now toilet camping only. Skill
   

I like those selective memories of yours paragon but ..... your post is the definition of the butthurt whining in all its glory so I will leave it to that.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on March 09, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
I had DSR today with Andy, pretty successful with it. But I had to go back on Caboose as we didn't have a FTL.

Family has a tight group of between 4-6 players that play together alot. Vtec has a tight group of about 4 players that have played together ALOT - the majority of fights you'll not see the same 6-10 people from vtec. Alot of Vtec are relatively inexperienced, new players that don't bring correct/full kit. I'm not supprised you are winning the majority of fights at the moment.

I think you're being a little unfair STALKER. You cry when we swarm and you flame when you win with superior numbers. You should be glad we engage when you camp a small room with 10 people and when we are less. Also I don't know whether or not your guys were aware, but we had Lawyers to deal with too on more than 1 occasion.

Anyway GG and we'll see what the week brings.

In terms of lawyers. It was mainly just me :(
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 09, 2015, 11:54:41 AM
I had DSR today with Andy, pretty successful with it. But I had to go back on Caboose as we didn't have a FTL.

Family has a tight group of between 4-6 players that play together alot. Vtec has a tight group of about 4 players that have played together ALOT - the majority of fights you'll not see the same 6-10 people from vtec. Alot of Vtec are relatively inexperienced, new players that don't bring correct/full kit. I'm not supprised you are winning the majority of fights at the moment.

I think you're being a little unfair STALKER. You cry when we swarm and you flame when you win with superior numbers. You should be glad we engage when you camp a small room with 10 people and when we are less. Also I don't know whether or not your guys were aware, but we had Lawyers to deal with too on more than 1 occasion.

Anyway GG and we'll see what the week brings.

In terms of lawyers. It was mainly just me :(

When we are outnumbered anyway and you harass from behind, so skillful Matthew. Good fights, but no honour from lawyers as usual.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on March 11, 2015, 06:09:13 AM
That TS sounds so gay sorry had to post it , hahahaha

Said the guy who doesn't even have a mic. ;)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on March 11, 2015, 06:46:39 AM
That TS sounds so gay sorry had to post it , hahahaha

How do you define a gay TS ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on March 11, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5U-LawYok0&
that spear melee kill brought a smile to my face

How do you define a gay TS ?
He is being rude for the sake of being rude, I assume. The TS sounded fine.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on March 11, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
The question is genuine. I have no ideas about what he means.
(i know what the english word means, but not why it is used there)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on March 11, 2015, 01:43:28 PM
The question is genuine. I have no ideas about what he means.
(i know what the english word means, but not why it is used there)

I think it is because some of us are softly spoken.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on March 11, 2015, 11:25:39 PM
Newest Addition to our Family, thank you Courier! ^_^
That must be your first :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on March 13, 2015, 05:23:25 PM
When Sylv is shouting Rush, courier is shitting the pants.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on March 13, 2015, 05:29:44 PM
When Sylv is shouting Rush, courier is shitting the pants.

haha indeed i have seen it and i wasnt interested in dyin , ruskies were drunk or something i dunno , spore high as fock as always going aggro with louisvilleslugger on enemy for 7hp per attack xD , its kinda funny video and im gald i did make it out ... normally i dont do that but at this fight it was like stem said before very predictable ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 15, 2015, 08:08:02 AM
I just want to thank the Lawyer All-Star team yesterday. Had a good night of pvp and I want to thank them also for being that place of acceptance for top tier players from other factions that don't have numbers on their own to fight against the might of VTec.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on March 29, 2015, 05:14:01 AM
Randomized teams wave spawn event is completely different game.
Usually it's 1 battle per hour which includes 30 minutes of waiting. It might not happen at all, and when it happens, you might not even make a shot before dying. It's a hard strategy / psychology game if fight is organized. Such conditions are leading to critical need of use the most effective even if boring tactics: camping, etc.
You don't care if you die in wave spawn insta action. So you just play. Even if weapon you get is always worse than enemies have, you don't care that much.

It's like public server in CoD compared to competitive. But competitive currently has pretty bad condition setup.

I really believe that such events being constantly runned can make the Fallout much more popular. Doesn't matter that it's only 20 people on the server, you always get the fight.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on March 29, 2015, 05:35:21 AM
Randomized teams wave spawn event is completely different game.
Usually it's 1 battle per hour which includes 30 minutes of waiting. It might not happen at all, and when it happens, you might not even make a shot before dying. It's a hard strategy / psychology game if fight is organized. Such conditions are leading to critical need of use the most effective even if boring tactics: camping, etc.
You don't care if you die in wave spawn insta action. So you just play. Even if weapon you get is always worse than enemies have, you don't care that much.

It's like public server in CoD compared to competitive. But competitive currently has pretty bad condition setup.

I really believe that such events being constantly runned can make the Fallout much more popular. Doesn't matter that it's only 20 people on the server, you always get the fight.

I completely agree Paragon, as a squad leader the stress involved in team setup, strategy and implementation and actual time consumed by core pvp can feel like a second job at times.

Don't get me wrong NOTHING beats a good ZC battle, win or lose. But it was so refreshing to just relax and enjoy pvp without the stress of leadership.

Big props to the devs.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on March 29, 2015, 10:50:29 AM
In addition, it's the actual training for every new player. Much better than any kind of shooting range.
It's the actual possibility to "try the game" in a fast and easy way.
It really doesn't require to join any of the organized groups or have a mic to play.

Just back to the point: most of the players are searching for the "public deathmatch" types of the gameplay. Competitive is only for people able to invest hard into power-gaming and team cooperation gameplay. And there are not a lot of such people around currently.

More casual is what most of others are looking for.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on April 13, 2015, 12:27:28 PM
The question is genuine. I have no ideas about what he means.
(i know what the english word means, but not why it is used there)

I think it is because some of us are softly spoken.

Then i guess it should be something to be proud of.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: rix on April 16, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg_ojVkCk0o
nice action kurwa
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 18, 2015, 10:19:00 PM
Good videos smalltime :D

Family gives better PvP than vtec :V  much more fun and tactical  :D. Meanwhile fighting Vtec we're forced to stay inside a room and hide from their sneaker snipers n swarm.

also thanks rix :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on April 19, 2015, 06:58:53 AM
Meanwhile fighting Vtec we're forced to stay inside a room and hide from their sneaker snipers n swarm.


(http://a.pomf.se/wmmkql.jpg)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Myakot on April 19, 2015, 07:20:53 AM
I want me a gatling-ak.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 26, 2015, 02:53:06 PM
https://youtu.be/1s1ffqgpZ6w
aayyyyyyy
 
I'll upload from my PoV soon :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on June 23, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Thanks for PvP, Cabooze. I find out something about impact glowes, so it's not so op how I expect. M1C was good idea against me, but looks like your char have >10 luck 10 intelligence, so luck on my side today. Literally. And at Gates I accidently catch you while my way to exit. Funny moment.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on June 29, 2015, 09:25:43 AM
Thanks for PvP, Cabooze. I find out something about impact glowes, so it's not so op how I expect. M1C was good idea against me, but looks like your char have >10 luck 10 intelligence, so luck on my side today. Literally. And at Gates I accidently catch you while my way to exit. Funny moment.

Glad I could help. I take it you are Combatant? Your rerolled helped, I couldnt reach you - but you still couldn't kill me :) See you in the Core my friend.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on July 03, 2015, 07:47:43 AM
Guys, stop praying at sPA and come back. Am I only one who looking for PvP?

I hate smoke I hate empty remmi when I still clicking on target I hate it and I want more

It's for V Techs, Paragon. We making some PvP.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on July 03, 2015, 07:49:39 AM
Sorry, who are you referring?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 03, 2015, 08:13:20 AM
He brought ripper and sPA to a gun fight :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on July 03, 2015, 08:15:24 AM
I want action! Come!

p.s. he brought extra teammate after kill me 1v1 :p

Guuuys why so long

Just  don't wait so long for miracle. Come and fight!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 03, 2015, 08:46:19 AM
Don't wanna get caught out like last night, was promised 2v2 and then u showed up with Windrunnerq and Courier. Kurwa.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on July 03, 2015, 08:49:19 AM
I dunno what they said to you. WindRunnerq on his own, Courier joined him and they left grid. What did I SAID them: go without me, they are 2, you are 2, it is gonna be fine. After time, I came for faster capture. But you know? It's not nice to said something about "you catch us" after you call second guy on me even after you put me down with flamer.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 03, 2015, 11:10:12 AM
But u had sPA :/
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 03, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
Don't wanna get caught out like last night, was promised 2v2 and then u showed up with Windrunnerq and Courier. Kurwa.
We were promised a 4 v s 4 in warmart and turned out to be 4 v 8+

Damn hypocrite
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 03, 2015, 11:48:52 AM
Don't wanna get caught out like last night, was promised 2v2 and then u showed up with Windrunnerq and Courier. Kurwa.
We were promised a 4 v s 4 in warmart and turned out to be 4 v 8+

Damn hypocrite

10+ Stalguer
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on July 03, 2015, 02:08:58 PM
courier , windrunner and stalgher counting as 10 dont forget that stalgher aaaayyyyyy ....
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on July 04, 2015, 07:20:21 AM
Matthew, log in ingame. They taking Enterprise back and I am alone in squad :o :o
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on July 04, 2015, 07:59:29 AM
Stalguer

What is that ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 04, 2015, 08:54:52 AM
Stalguer

What is that ?

You must be new here.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on July 04, 2015, 03:12:10 PM
Watch out with open questions/invitations to reply when talking to naossano caboose.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on July 04, 2015, 03:32:05 PM
Indeed, it is only my second cession of AOP...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on July 04, 2015, 03:43:08 PM
The King of forum pvp is on after all   ;)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 22, 2015, 05:38:30 AM
More of yesterday please.

Some great fights and it was nice when a few lawyers went over to Family so we could have some equal PvP.

Unsure what happened to the V Techs yesterday but they disappearred after an hour or two.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on July 22, 2015, 06:00:24 AM
They might prefer multi-capping when there is no one in front.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on July 22, 2015, 06:16:46 AM
I thought vtech only play on monday and tuesday.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 22, 2015, 06:31:58 AM
I thought vtech only play on monday and tuesday.

Only Monday now it seems.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on July 22, 2015, 09:45:19 AM
I thought vtech only play on monday and tuesday.

Only Monday now it seems.

More of yesterday please.

Some great fights and it was nice when a few lawyers went over to Family so we could have some equal PvP.

Unsure what happened to the V Techs yesterday but they disappearred after an hour or two.


what do you think? they got wrecked so many times in bigger numbers yesterday (Tuesday...right)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on July 22, 2015, 11:10:02 AM
when I log in the lawyers tend to log off. I am mostly waiting for the wipe because i do not like my experience to be controlled by a few rage quitters.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on July 22, 2015, 11:20:40 AM
From last Stalker's video, lawyers seem to have bigger number.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 22, 2015, 11:26:50 AM
That was a one off and suprisingly a few new players.

Do Techs have the numbers anymore? TBH I haven't seen you play for a while.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 22, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
when I log in the lawyers tend to log off. I am mostly waiting for the wipe because i do not like my experience to be controlled by a few rage quitters.

V Techs are quite poor at "starting" PvP. I rarely see a ZC started by Techs outside of Mondays and Tuesday's.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on July 22, 2015, 11:53:06 AM
- law swarm from video
- low vtech numbers on tuesday from caboose
- new players (possibly spies and switchers) in law from you

I think you can see the trend.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 22, 2015, 12:35:31 PM
- law swarm from video
- low vtech numbers on tuesday from caboose
- new players (possibly spies and switchers) in law from you

I think you can see the trend.

Well.

Letys is an original that came back, check old PvP vids for evidence. Revo is brand new. Mr Strange is from Family.

You know Syl, you suit laws more than techs, I remember playing with you in laws and I was a lot of fun but your overlords banned you.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 22, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
- law swarm from video
- low vtech numbers on tuesday from caboose
- new players (possibly spies and switchers) in law from you

I think you can see the trend.
Nobody was spying or switching from lawyers, only gay guys like komrade do that. (Nobody likes him so he just switches factions)

Also this is how we fight V-Tec 90% of the time (with you guys having numbers)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 22, 2015, 12:57:19 PM
- law swarm from video
- low vtech numbers on tuesday from caboose
- new players (possibly spies and switchers) in law from you

I think you can see the trend.
Nobody was spying or switching from lawyers, only gay guys like komrade do that. (Nobody likes him so he just switches factions)

Also this is how we fight V-Tec 90% of the time (with you guys having numbers)

WTF man Stalker - the words you use are a disgrace. WTF is wrong with you?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 22, 2015, 01:07:55 PM
It's a joke, not a dick Don't take it so hard

also why do you get offended when people use the word gay?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 22, 2015, 01:14:48 PM
It's a joke, not a dick Don't take it so hard

also why do you get offended when people use the word gay?

Because you are using it with negative connotations which is inappropriate.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 22, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
Sorry  :-X

(http://i.imgur.com/fTKhmWF.gif)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on July 22, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
Sorry  :-X

(http://i.imgur.com/fTKhmWF.gif)

Stalgers Dad Lmfao
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on July 22, 2015, 06:34:34 PM
I am mentioned by stalker every time now  8)
So I really made you a long lasting  trauma, poor guy I should have been less rough with you, my fault so  :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on July 22, 2015, 08:14:49 PM
It was said earlier that lawyer switchers went back to family (maybe even vtech switchers?).
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 22, 2015, 09:19:08 PM
I am mentioned by stalker every time now  8)
So I really made you a long lasting  trauma, poor guy I should have been less rough with you, my fault so  :)
Nah, you're just a perfect example of a gay faction switcher, there's absolutely nothing special with you. I'd use hellmoi but he can pvp at least. Unlike some people ::) (piggy sshhh)

Fuck you courier, I ain't no nicker u damn nazi
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on July 23, 2015, 12:37:46 AM
Sorry  :-X



I am mentioned by stalker every time now  8)
So I really made you a long lasting  trauma, poor guy I should have been less rough with you, my fault so  :)
Nah, you're just a perfect example of a gay faction switcher

Not very sorry apparently. Is it that hard to call someone an idiot or a moron and refrain from using gay like a degrading term? Might not be a big deal to you but it is to others.



And on numbers, the time's Ive been on in the past week neither faction has outnumbered the other by more than a couple.




Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on July 23, 2015, 02:42:53 AM
From last Stalker's video, lawyers seem to have bigger number.

Monday was pretty lawswarmy.
First v-tec won 2v-tec againt 4, law took 7 to the next fight.
We waited until we have 6. Lost one, then won 6vs~9.
Next time enemy had 11 (you can see at the stalker video), we had 6-7.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on July 23, 2015, 03:58:39 AM
Are you kidding guys ?

- The law swarming the V-TEC
Dunno about tuesday since they weren't therewhen i played, but for monday, they were "at least" 12, as they were able to cap two zones at the same time with 6 guys in each. I can't recall the last time the lawyers had 10 players at the same time. About the Stalker vid, you can clearly see the lawyers being outnumbered at global Electrics. (more people were coming in the map but got caught by dsrs)

- No switcher allowed amongs lawyers ?
Are you kidding ? From what we all know only Revo was always lawyers from start to finish. Everyone has or had a character in other faction, including you, one of the first outspoken switcher of the cession. Also, you wouldn't have any PVP in week-time without the switchers balancing the numbers. Otherwise, you would just have people disconnecting because their faction would have not enough people to fight or because their faction would have too many people, which would scare the enemy. If you want to remove switchers, you will remove PVP too.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 23, 2015, 04:03:51 AM
Sorry  :-X



I am mentioned by stalker every time now  8)
So I really made you a long lasting  trauma, poor guy I should have been less rough with you, my fault so  :)
Nah, you're just a perfect example of a gay faction switcher

Not very sorry apparently. Is it that hard to call someone an idiot or a moron and refrain from using gay like a degrading term? Might not be a big deal to you but it is to others.

It's really quite sad, I used to think Stalker was alright..
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 23, 2015, 04:18:20 AM
Are you kidding guys ?

- The law swarming the V-TEC
Dunno about tuesday since they weren't therewhen i played, but for monday, they were "at least" 12, as they were able to cap two zones at the same time with 6 guys in each. I can't recall the last time the lawyers had 10 players at the same time. About the Stalker vid, you can clearly see the lawyers being outnumbered at global Electrics. (more people were coming in the map but got caught by dsrs)

- No switcher allowed amongs lawyers ?
Are you kidding ? From what we all know only Revo was always lawyers from start to finish. Everyone has or had a character in other faction, including you, one of the first outspoken switcher of the cession. Also, you wouldn't have any PVP in week-time without the switchers balancing the numbers. Otherwise, you would just have people disconnecting because their faction would have not enough people to fight or because their faction would have too many people, which would scare the enemy. If you want to remove switchers, you will remove PVP too.

Faction switchers, on the most part are keeping the PvP going. For some bizarre reason that has been a lot of PvP in the last week.

Tuesday there was no swawn to be honest. Around 6 pm GMT I was solo capping and at around 60% Adams became contested.

I hid while MissTik was on her way to help. It was a 2vs3 - twice and we won. That more or less set the tone for the evening and V Techs stopped playing after 2 hours. A few lawyers moved over to Family and we had a couple of decent fights.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on July 23, 2015, 05:05:49 AM
It's really quite sad, I used to think Stalker was alright..


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Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on July 23, 2015, 05:22:38 AM
Quick observations from Global Electrics, you can see 8 lawyers and 7 vtechs. It's fair to assume vtech had +2 with sneakers or dsr.

No doubt, lawyers played better but even with the wildest assumption I think you could say it was a fair fight 8vs9.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 23, 2015, 05:32:21 AM
Monday was pretty lawswarmy.
First v-tec won 2v-tec againt 4, law took 7 to the next fight.
We waited until we have 6. Lost one, then won 6vs~9.
Next time enemy had 11 (you can see at the stalker video), we had 6-7.
Assuming my last video, we only had 8, vtec degenerates can't count  ::)

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I closely looked at logs, names, and what allies were saying :

TWAT, Andy, ramon, suff, borislav, teela, yuram, junkman, gaybatant, damage, unknown (primus) (red were killed by me, revo, courier and nao)

Quick observations from Global Electrics, you can see 8 lawyers and 7 vtechs. It's fair to assume vtech had +2 with sneakers or dsr.

No doubt, lawyers played better but even with the wildest assumption I think you can say it was a fair fight 8vs9.
= #'s V-Tec shit   ;D

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4TH ROW FROM UP, FIRST ONE , IS THAT YUNO?!!!!!!!  Looks like her :V
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on July 23, 2015, 05:33:45 AM
Niamak >

I don't say that during the four big battles i took part monday the lawyers were vastly outnumbered, (except for the fight Stalker mentioned but it come down to initial casualties, and another fight we came at 4 guys with shitty gear, while they were already in map) but the opposite is not true either. They were, at no point, outnumbered. Beside, they actually did capped two zones at the same time with six guys in each, multiple times that day, so they had at least 12 people at several moments, and yet complained about not being enough...

Stalker : You forgot Kombattant.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 23, 2015, 05:39:02 AM
Niamak >

I don't say that during the four big battles i took part monday the lawyers were vastly outnumbered, (except for the fight Stalker mentioned but it come down to initial casualties, and another fight we came at 4 guys with shitty gear, while they were already in map) but the opposite is not true either. Beside, they actually did capped two zones at the same time with six guys in each, multiple times that day, so they had at least 12 people at several moments, and yet complained about not being enough..
Ya....lemonfreeze was crying on IRC that we swarmed (and they had 2 extra people, name should be changed to saltyfreeze xd) and caboose was raging that he'll take the core
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on July 23, 2015, 10:42:58 AM
11 law people at screen
https://youtu.be/UVAdHjdDR6E?t=43s

5 v-tec at screen + 1 dead on the left
https://youtu.be/UVAdHjdDR6E?t=2m42s

3rd battle of the day, law loses 6v9, brings 2 more
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 23, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
11 law people at screen
https://youtu.be/UVAdHjdDR6E?t=43s

5 v-tec at screen + 1 dead on the left
https://youtu.be/UVAdHjdDR6E?t=2m42s
Numbers were switched around for that day. You got the Lawyer experience.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on July 23, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Not the first time, still lawyers love to stink about numbers
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on July 23, 2015, 11:13:59 AM
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Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on July 23, 2015, 11:20:13 AM
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Dayem teela, you need Count von count's help from sesame street to count? LOL
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on July 23, 2015, 11:27:26 AM
Teela/Paragon >

Well... lawyers were indeed numerous (there is even two names i've never seen before) on that battle. And i would even say we didn't use that number very well, all using the same door to rush...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on July 23, 2015, 12:04:29 PM
in the end its alwyas courier vs the rest
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on July 23, 2015, 02:40:54 PM
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Dayem teela, you need Count von count's help from sesame street to count? LOL

That was great. :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on July 23, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
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This is why I love Teela
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 05, 2015, 01:15:27 AM
Anyways I'm home now so we can have an essay fight now.

i didn't see Tenova, matter's not. open world pvp 1v1 superior to set-up 1v1 bro. in this case you were actually out-played and out-smarted.  a 1v1 in any other situation in this game is the equivalent of seeing who clicks first and who brought the right weapons and who rolled the right way.  nothing similar to what happened to your face just today.
Well Tenova was the 2nd person there. Did courier give you PTSD and made you insanely paranoid that you always see him? Seems to be the case.

You claim to that I was "out-played" and "out-smarted" but nothing was really done. All you did was kill me while I was cornered, best tactics ever  ::) BTW I closed the door cause I saw 2 other v-tecs behind you, some 1 vs 1.

also.. don't think i haven't killed you in pvp just because i don't screenshot/fraps all my shitty pvp exploits and post only victories.  im not even flaunting shit bro. you just complained. again. and expect no response... i also see how you definition of 'fun' is similar to hellmoi's professed 'fun' situation.. only when defeat is simply not in the cards do you feel you have competed.  you sir. in this aspect alone, fail. (in terms of your general pvp i commend and respect you)
lol "PvP Exploits" I haven't done none at all and you claim that I'm "exploiting". And my definition of fun is having a fair fight. This fight we had that somehow made you god now wasn't fair anyways. If I lived, 3 other V-tecs would of popped out and killed me.


btw i have like 6 alias in vtech.. so you thinkin thats the first time ive killed ya is hilarious.. albeit understandable.
Kind of sad having 6 different characters in 1 faction.

sure there were my many friends behind me that SURELY would have wiped you off the core-map and reclaimed Junkman's, TWAT's, and my gear after your massive success in our defeat. but it turns out that 1v1 stalker isn't so O.P. when he fights against someone using a 1v1 build too.  lil biotch.  VanCarnY out. 8)
You do know anybody can rape anyone else with super cattle prod/cattle prod and if the enemy is wearing metal armor right? If I wasn't wearing metal armor, I would've taken my ripper out and killed you, well you probably would of ran back to your allies and I'll be forced to run away.

 
edit: also, it does feel pretty good to 'finally' defeat the biggest mouth of AOP (maybe fonline in general) in a 1v1.  it's been hard with you not showing up to more than 1/4 of the fights, typically only fights in which, as I said before, defeat wasn't in the cards.
lol how do I have a big mouth? Just cause I have lots of post? And as I said before, Cattle prod easily rapes Metal armor  ::) but oh well, degenerates will never understand  :-\

Also in your logic, to nerf swarm is not to fight at all?
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/787/356/d6f.jpg)
Any who, lets have this "1vs1" again. **Waiting for bullshit excuse**
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 05, 2015, 01:31:47 AM
Screw all that noise above me, Im not posting about that.

What I AM posting about, is the odd sequence of PVP I experienced today. Swarm or no Swarm, Bozar or no, why was it solely up to Lawyers (when I was on) to initate ZC today? Vtec had decent number, good gear, good leadership, and yet they played reactionary. Hellmoi suggested we do the same thing, and I said no frigging way lets go have some fun and start some fights. Whats the point of ZC if it's up to one faction to initiate? Vtecs had a strategy involving DSRs/Bozars/Miniguns down to a science, and yet they would only go to ZC when the Laws initiated. Thats some crap, and it really makes me personally not even want to ZC.  I hate playing defensively, and I really do not like starting caps, but I help do it anyway to encourage PVP. Vtec couldn't be found today (again, whn I was online) unless they were showing up to a fight. Where is your guys' sense of decency? You have to at least meet the other faction halfway (metaphorically). Some of the ZC that did happen and was pretty fun wouldn't have happened if Laws didn't decide to start things.  Vtec, cmon.




Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 05, 2015, 01:56:15 AM
Simple hidden truth :

After BramhinBoys died, vtech has been the most active faction until now.
Every fight, you would most likely add vtech in the mix (family vs vtech, lawyers vs vtech, family vs lawyers vs vtech, vtech vs vtech).
As time goes on, vtech became a tired faction and would go for a fight only if there is one to be fought. Some people might take a break from the game, vtech did not.

Just kidding, there is another truth but I cannot tell you because I would be revealing vtech top secret plans. :p

Quote
lol "PvP Exploits" I haven't done none at all and you claim that I'm "exploiting".

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Exploit
noun
noun: exploit; plural noun: exploits
ˈekˌsploit/
1.
a bold or daring feat.
"the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war"
synonyms:   feat, deed, act, adventure, stunt, escapade; More
achievement, accomplishment, attainment;
informallark, caper
"his exploits brought him notoriety"
2.
a software tool designed to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system, typically for malicious purposes such as installing malware.
"if someone you don't know tweets you a link, it's either spam, an exploit, or probably both"

English is not my native language. You can thank Google.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 05, 2015, 02:40:09 AM
Sorry Spanish was my native language and I speak American, not English.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 05, 2015, 05:09:00 AM
There is also a lot of family vs lawyers fight Niamak. It is not because vtec aren't playing that the other players just sit and do nothing. The principle of mmo is that things still happen when you are not there. Anyway, i don't know if it should be a rule or something free, but it is nice to alternate defense/attack, and not doing the same thing all the time. Personnally, i am more confortable with attack, but that doesn't mean we should always attack either. (dunno if it is attack. I mean situation when the guys are already in and you rush toward them)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 05, 2015, 05:14:34 AM
ahh, i see you have brought my contribution to your plea for "= #'s pvp" to the big discussion arena!  let me just.. leave this here.

P.S. in EVE online and in AOP there is a nerf to swarm.. it's called escaping with the winnings after you destroy what you can..  u failed in this my friend  :'(

just so that you, and others, will know that my 'leet pvp logic' is not as flawed as your paraphrasing.  in fact it comes from years of experience in a game so similar to AOP that i am surprised you don't know enough about it to have learned this 'degenerate' tactic.  That's not, not fighting <insert mildly racist 'waat r u retarded' face> that is called not being an idiot in eve, in AOP we give people the benefit of the doubt (they just want to fight) with the understanding that gear is not as hard to come by as it is in EVE online.

also, if i am to continue, and i am.. American is my first language. exploits in this case refer to your mouth... i.e. you post only your successful fights (not saying i wouldn't do the same) but you videotape everything, do you not?  so post the part where you close the door because you see my friends so close behind me.. (while your at it, post every video that destroys your tech's only win cus swarm attitude, i know you have them, because our victories are growing increasingly less rare)

and thanks for verifying that stalker only uses the most op weapons at any given moment.

and please rephrase so that everyone understands which degenerate learned first hand that a cattleprod eats Metal whilst bragging that had i had ANY other weapon i legit could not have won that fight...

smh, tbh, unfair representation of my previous presentation.

in EVE i was a big mouth like you on teh forums. although i would have to say a more likable and respected mouth :)

Courier ptsd was quite funny, maybe its the same ptsd you have with your lame primus moniker for us degenerates since he, like me, has many alts in the same faction (just with same name, where i prefer that stalker doesn't know he's losing to the same tech)

from America, with love

I'm gonna have to shock you and accept your duel, hopefully our friends will be there to watch so that they can see what superleet tactics you will use to win 1 out of three fights, and what basic maneuvers will be used in your defeat.

p.s. i do feel shame, as i haven't been very present on forums besides beggin' for combat knives to be fixed and trolling stalker last night. i feel shame because i never meant for stalker to get so butthurt or for him to not understand how my post on his equal number's pvp thread was not out of place.  this is an open world pvp game, in a previous post.. somewhere.. Ramon has explained exactly why open world pvp is superior to matchmaking pvp..

but if you want Stalker, i'll play you in league of legends anyday and we can see who has realtime equal numbers pvp skill. you're like kanye west of AOP bro. you need to get over that mountain of an ego so you can see your fking cock mate.

i really do love you tho bro, sorry for all the hate.

Nao and Marxman, techs not always a reactionary force, it's hard in this game because you never know when they've ragequit for the day yet and it's really never worth trying to take back all the zones that get nightcapped back to lawyers, just so that we can be fair and let you see our numbers.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on August 05, 2015, 05:58:11 AM
VanCarnY I was gonna support you with the guerilla tactics on EvE and AoP, in all opened pvp you have that against swarm and it's nice to do (DaoC, GW2, etc), but you had to talk about LoL... Go HoN or DotA2 dude !!  ;D The game is called LOL ffs there must be a reason behind ;D

</dailyTrollAgainstLoL>  :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on August 05, 2015, 06:07:47 AM
Screw all that noise above me, Im not posting about that.

What I AM posting about, is the odd sequence of PVP I experienced today. Swarm or no Swarm, Bozar or no, why was it solely up to Lawyers (when I was on) to initate ZC today? Vtec had decent number, good gear, good leadership, and yet they played reactionary. Hellmoi suggested we do the same thing, and I said no frigging way lets go have some fun and start some fights. Whats the point of ZC if it's up to one faction to initiate? Vtecs had a strategy involving DSRs/Bozars/Miniguns down to a science, and yet they would only go to ZC when the Laws initiated. Thats some crap, and it really makes me personally not even want to ZC.  I hate playing defensively, and I really do not like starting caps, but I help do it anyway to encourage PVP. Vtec couldn't be found today (again, whn I was online) unless they were showing up to a fight. Where is your guys' sense of decency? You have to at least meet the other faction halfway (metaphorically). Some of the ZC that did happen and was pretty fun wouldn't have happened if Laws didn't decide to start things.  Vtec, cmon.

I completely agree with you and I assure you this was not on purpose. Vtec are VERY slow are dropping loot, talking, rerolling, gathering and moving to core. We attempted to go cap Robco Enterprises twice, but everytime Law beat us to core. Also we were unsure of your numbers as on several occasions Lawyers started to cap with 2 people and I can't be certain, but I assume the rest were waiting in gate or somewhere off radar.

Vtec are very bad for going afk after fights, either to eat, piss, smoke or whatever and sometimes only a couple of us move to the core before rest follow, which is ridiculous in my opinion. We are working on this.

Because of the tactic we deployed yesterday, we have limited mobility, BG snipers, Minigun etc. So generally we're going to sit in relatively the same spot for at least until we know your position.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 05, 2015, 06:11:56 AM
Shameful, dreadful , sad, disappointed, wasteful and crap. That is just a reflection of myself from yesterday.

Lawyers can obliterate any opponent on small scale PvP.

V Tech can obliterate any opponent on large scale PvP.

The above will not change until wipe.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on August 05, 2015, 06:17:29 AM
Shameful, dreadful , sad, disappointed, wasteful and crap. That is just a reflection of myself from yesterday.

Lawyers can obliterate any opponent on small scale PvP.

V Tech can obliterate any opponent on large scale PvP.

The above will not change until wipe.

I totally disagree. Law used to think outside meta builds, now all they use is shotguns.
Small scale or large scale - vtec will continue to dominate until you guys bring your best gear and start thinking outside boring ass meta builds.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 05, 2015, 06:21:44 AM
Shameful, dreadful , sad, disappointed, wasteful and crap. That is just a reflection of myself from yesterday.

Lawyers can obliterate any opponent on small scale PvP.

V Tech can obliterate any opponent on large scale PvP.

The above will not change until wipe.

I totally disagree. Law used to think outside meta builds, now all they use is shotguns.
Small scale or large scale - vtec will continue to dominate until you guys bring your best gear and start thinking outside boring ass meta builds.

That doesn't make sense. And I guess you miss all the smale scale PvP coz yo only bring swarm lol.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 05, 2015, 06:22:03 AM
dude, anza, im playing LOL right now, waiting for  aop pvp to begin  ;D

playing dota2 or hon is like playing eve online instead of fonline aop. they are older, more antiquated systems that reward technical knowledge more than tactical skill.  just my opinion. but it has been backed by others
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on August 05, 2015, 06:24:22 AM
Shameful, dreadful , sad, disappointed, wasteful and crap. That is just a reflection of myself from yesterday.

Lawyers can obliterate any opponent on small scale PvP.

V Tech can obliterate any opponent on large scale PvP.

The above will not change until wipe.

I totally disagree. Law used to think outside meta builds, now all they use is shotguns.
Small scale or large scale - vtec will continue to dominate until you guys bring your best gear and start thinking outside boring ass meta builds.

That doesn't make sense. And I guess you miss all the smale scale PvP coz yo only bring swarm lol.

Small scale like 7 law being shrekt by 4 vtec yesterday?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on August 05, 2015, 06:30:15 AM
VanCarnY, LoL has same age as HoN and both are older than DotA2  ;D
Also, no gold lost on death, and no experience lost on denies : casuals game  ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 05, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
I don't think it is necessary about weapons/builds. We were very disorganized yesterday.
We probably need to spend some time to organize better and share informations about how to react to enemy tactics. Some of us aren't used to play together and the new guys don't have yet the same experience/skills than the olders. Although, i don't know when we will take the time to do that. The rare times we are enough to do PVP, we do PVP, we don't talk.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 05, 2015, 06:58:38 AM
Your new guys are spies.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 05, 2015, 07:32:15 AM
Your new guys are spies.
You want PVP or predictable outcome ?
For the former, spies aren't needed.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 05, 2015, 07:40:03 AM
pvp with predictable outcome is still pvp, ask sralker, he always wins
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 05, 2015, 08:24:27 AM
theres more irc and forum pvp then ingame plus all that shittalking from tecs is hilarious , have u ever seen that hard trolling from law when we rekt the swarm constantly ?

its better to quit this game for the moment if u a member of the law , i never have seen such disrespectfull enemy ... not even uv that bad aaay
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 05, 2015, 08:38:52 AM
ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

You have made it through the 7 stages of grief.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 05, 2015, 09:00:01 AM
ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.

You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.

You have made it through the 7 stages of grief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5HfM3DZt8
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 05, 2015, 09:05:16 AM
Courier please, don't cry.  :'(
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 05, 2015, 09:09:56 AM
Courier please, don't cry.  :'(

nah man i stopped playing , tecs not worth my time
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on August 05, 2015, 09:35:13 AM
Courier please, don't cry.  :'(

nah man i stopped playing , tecs not worth my time

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder caused by very stressful, frightening or distressing events.

The type of events that can cause PTSD include:

    serious road accidents
    violent personal assaults, such as sexual assault, mugging or robbery
    prolonged sexual abuse, violence or severe neglect
    witnessing violent deaths
    military combat
    being held hostage
    terrorist attacks
    Vtec always swarming
    natural disasters, such as severe floods, earthquakes or tsunamis

PTSD can develop immediately after someone experiences a disturbing event or it can occur weeks, months or even years later.

PTSD is estimated to affect about 1 in every 3 people who have a traumatic experience, but it's not clear exactly why some people develop the condition and others don't.

Someone with PTSD will often relive the traumatic event through nightmares and flashbacks, and may experience feelings of isolation, irritability and guilt.

They may also have problems sleeping, such as insomnia, and find concentrating difficult.

These symptoms are often severe and persistent enough to have a significant impact on the person’s day-to-day life.

It is normal to experience upsetting and confusing thoughts after a traumatic event, but in most people these will improve naturally over a few weeks.

You should visit your GP if you or your child are still having problems about four weeks after the traumatic experience, or if the symptoms are particularly troublesome.

If necessary, your GP can refer you to mental health specialists for further assessment and treatment.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 05, 2015, 10:14:06 AM
    violent personal assaults, such as sexual assault, mugging or robbery +
    prolonged sexual abuse, violence or severe neglect +
    witnessing violent deaths +
    military combat +
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 05, 2015, 01:00:15 PM
nah man i stopped playing , tecs not worth my time
If so, pls drop pass from my char on forum - maybe, somebody from V Techs new players can use it or something. Anyway seems like everybody bothered with forum PvP so it doesn't matter, who will drive Combatant. Just wanna know my guy survived your game-quit  :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 05, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
nah man i stopped playing , tecs not worth my time
If so, pls drop pass from my char on forum - maybe, somebody from V Techs new players can use it or something. Anyway seems like everybody bothered with forum PvP so it doesn't matter, who will drive Combatant. Just wanna know my guy survived your game-quit  :D

your char is still alive and i havent touched him , why dont u play ? and why should i give some tec the char ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 05, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
Paragon, could you describe the 7 stages of swarming ?
With all your experience on the topic, you migth be able to right an entire essay about it.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 05, 2015, 01:43:23 PM
your char is still alive and i havent touched him , why dont u play ? and why should i give some tec the char ?
I don't play since game earned trait "crush every day", it's impossible to play. And even if that crap ends for now, PvP the way it is - 1 day with hight action and 6 days in stasis. When I used to play, almost all the time I was only player from squad who is on line. From time to time 1 random AFK. And when I was lucky, you or/and 2-3 non-afk allies. But serv's crashes got me totally. And like berry on the top of the cake - random sh*t with items-traps and OP sporeplants and so on. Hilarious.  :o
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 05, 2015, 01:50:07 PM
your char is still alive and i havent touched him , why dont u play ? and why should i give some tec the char ?
I don't play since game earned trait "crush every day", it's impossible to play. And even if that crap ends for now, PvP the way it is - 1 day with hight action and 6 days in stasis. When I used to play, almost all the time I was only player from squad who is on line. From time to time 1 random AFK. And when I was lucky, you or/and 2-3 non-afk allies. But serv's crashes got me totally. And like berry on the top of the cake - random sh*t with items-traps and OP sporeplants and so on. Hilarious.  :o

well server crashes did end , with the rest u have a point ... atleast i remember u as a good companion .
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 05, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
TL;DR Vancary

also why you keep talking about eve online, but please! keep talking about me though, I love the attention I'm getting from a scrub
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 05, 2015, 02:11:36 PM
tl;dr just like your 770 posts pro player, play like you forum whore.  talking about eve because its a game just like this one, only with a couple hundred thousand players.. and scrubs like you still complain about getting swarmed and then walk back into the swarm again, while real players deal with the guerrilla state of affairs that is war.

but im glad im making your anime face so blushy.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 05, 2015, 02:14:16 PM
but w/e if we made courier quit because we've been disrespectful, i guess i'll stop giving you such a hard-on for me... or you could try to face me in pvp again so you can have the chance to post your own glorious victory post.  cause its such a big deal when a 'scrub' like me posts anything, even though i've been around, just not in your forum pussy, for a while. but gg anyway
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 05, 2015, 06:47:51 PM
Vancary so salty :D

More like Saltycarny  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 05, 2015, 08:44:46 PM
They say the one who cries a lot gets the most attention.

Stalker please, don't cry.  :'(

ps : The squeaky wheel gets the grease
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 05, 2015, 10:15:13 PM
Sorry I'm an attention kurwa.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 05, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
Sorry I let all the salt spill out over something so silly as one small victory against an excellent enemy.  Props dude, you lawyers are always strong opponents.  It's always something fun and interesting and variegated.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 06, 2015, 12:33:21 AM
I had a hell of time fighting today. Great game all around, Vtecs definitely kept us on our toes. Some of the largest/most intense battles I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 06, 2015, 03:41:31 AM
I suddenly realize that i finally played with you...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 06, 2015, 04:27:57 AM
Happiness, overjoyed, impressed, grateful and wonderful.

V Tech are scary, so thank you for the battles. Time absolutely flown by yesterday.

Sorry to everyone who heard me swearing. :/
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 06, 2015, 04:36:28 AM
How went fights after v-tec went capturing Robco?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 06, 2015, 06:49:04 AM
How went fights after v-tec went capturing Robco?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9buo9Mtos
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 06, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
I suddenly realize that i finally played with you...

Hahaha, you've played with me mroe than once. Just listen for the fast talking American.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 07, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
nah man i stopped playing , tecs not worth my time
If so, pls drop pass from my char on forum - maybe, somebody from V Techs new players can use it or something. Anyway seems like everybody bothered with forum PvP so it doesn't matter, who will drive Combatant. Just wanna know my guy survived your game-quit  :D

Come and play Combatant. At least on weekend evenings and Monday and Tuesday evenings.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 08, 2015, 01:00:21 AM
Shameful, dreadful , sad, disappointed, wasteful and crap. That is just a reflection of myself from yesterday.

Lawyers can obliterate any opponent on small scale PvP.

V Tech can obliterate any opponent on large scale PvP.

The above will not change until wipe.

I totally disagree. Law used to think outside meta builds, now all they use is shotguns.
Small scale or large scale - vtec will continue to dominate until you guys bring your best gear and start thinking outside boring ass meta builds.

Thats an untrue blanket statement if I've ever seen one. shotguns are commonly utilized by pretty much everyone, vtecs included. Also, every person with a shotgun has a backup for mid-long range if they aren't thick.
I've taken any number of god knows waht to zc, and I believe the video showing the fights we had on tuesday shows Lawyers with pretty much every area of weapon represnted.

If you want to start making those arguments I could same the same fucking things about Vtecs, Miniguns, and DSRs.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on August 08, 2015, 05:52:47 AM
I was upset the other day when vtec did not have the ability to put away the ranged weps and take a forward position. That was fail because it was only my brother and I willing to close the gap, so I knew right away we were doomed in that fight.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 08, 2015, 06:08:36 AM
Shameful, dreadful , sad, disappointed, wasteful and crap. That is just a reflection of myself from yesterday.

Lawyers can obliterate any opponent on small scale PvP.

V Tech can obliterate any opponent on large scale PvP.

The above will not change until wipe.

I totally disagree. Law used to think outside meta builds, now all they use is shotguns.
Small scale or large scale - vtec will continue to dominate until you guys bring your best gear and start thinking outside boring ass meta builds.

Thats an untrue blanket statement if I've ever seen one. shotguns are commonly utilized by pretty much everyone, vtecs included. Also, every person with a shotgun has a backup for mid-long range if they aren't thick.
I've taken any number of god knows waht to zc, and I believe the video showing the fights we had on tuesday shows Lawyers with pretty much every area of weapon represnted.

If you want to start making those arguments I could same the same fucking things about Vtecs, Miniguns, and DSRs.
   

You'rd drunk Mr.Strange. :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 09, 2015, 05:02:09 AM
Even for late night small scale PvP, V-tecs needs a swarm to kill 2-3 people...

Yeah, swarm didn't kill the server they say...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 09, 2015, 05:07:00 AM
Even for late night small scale PvP, V-tecs needs a swarm to kill 2-3 people...

Yeah, swarm didn't kill the server they say...

The bitching is not unfounded this time. I personally just witnessed a 6v2 with the guy.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 09, 2015, 05:16:10 AM
The sad things is that their leadership is perfectly willing to see absolutly no one on the server and cause its death than openly admit they were wrong on something and then work on the problem.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on August 09, 2015, 05:32:18 AM
Go play beach volleyball if you want 2on2 and not mmo games
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 09, 2015, 05:35:44 AM
The sad things is that their leadership is perfectly willing to see absolutly no one on the server and cause its death than openly admit they were wrong on something and then work on the problem.
Uhm....what?

Any who I just realized V-Tecs always had 5+ more guys than Lawyers in most ZCs we had...

Go play beach volleyball if you want 2on2 and not mmo games
Actually...that's a good idea :D Summer here in Cali, lots of hot babes  8)

However this number situation can be easily fixed with a certain suggestion (http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=2806.0).
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: FrankenStone on August 09, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnx2E3cd8RY
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 09, 2015, 01:09:30 PM
Go play beach volleyball if you want 2on2 and not mmo games

Completely balance is not what anyone is asking for. But when 6 VTECS totally take a shit on all of the fun everyone was having late at night, I'm going to get salty.

There was 3 family members capping that we had some fights with, along with Borislav and Yanick.


And then all of the sudden, Suff shows up in fucking sPA with 5 other people to kill me ad Stalker. GG, you guys have the core. I just don't take the game that fucking seriously.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on August 09, 2015, 02:08:10 PM
I am the best!!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 09, 2015, 06:43:06 PM
Good action today. I enjoyed every battle.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 10, 2015, 04:24:20 AM
Good battles yesterday, considering the number difference we completely held our own (until we died :D)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 10, 2015, 05:15:51 AM
#Truthhurts

(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2q9f1ag.jpg)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 10, 2015, 06:27:40 AM
I see you butthurt a lot from yesterday fights, good job swarm-commander Teela. Loyalty Until Death, Strength in Unity!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 10, 2015, 06:49:56 AM
#Truthhurts

(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2q9f1ag.jpg)

oh, so funny but, oh, so true xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 10, 2015, 11:39:31 AM
The bitches comment
Someone's jealous of my dank memes, too dank for you I see  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 10, 2015, 11:49:36 AM
It's typical in Fonlines to not be able to win in game and come to fight on forum. Your are not first and you're not last. Cry more noob and hope that somebody of us cares about what you post, except for lol.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Vector on August 10, 2015, 11:54:21 AM
It's not a lol anymore, time to stop, tecs dont rage or qq at forum or irc when they loose/get swarmed, but core law player goes insane on forum, better u'd edited wiki when u loose.

For those people those already know who you are, it's not a big deal, but think about reputation, you already spoiled two threads made by newcomers with this raging.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 10, 2015, 12:02:08 PM
I love how you guys assume I rage/cry, my memes are true!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Vector on August 10, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Ignorance wont help you this time.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 10, 2015, 12:13:09 PM
Ignorance wont help you this time.
Ok b0ss, whatever you say  8)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 10, 2015, 12:31:37 PM
I am not talking about swarms here. But today I'll just wait for, maybe, less numbers on enemy side before log myself back. Can't get rid of felling I doing same mistakes by attacking bigger group. Every battle today, except one on Adams, I ended up in the corner all alone against 3-4 enemies and all allies dead or bothered with last part of enemy. Just no sense in such enterteinment.   
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 10, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
we assume nothing, even when we grant you your glorious death in equal numbers pvp you get on irc and say "SWARM."

and post hateful things on the forum and really really good troll faces.

@at Ratnik, Naw STralker said we assume he does... what he does... everydey
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 10, 2015, 01:16:41 PM
I wasn't post on IRC pics or videos, except 1 video all about music in it and how it compares with action. And what do you mean "trollfaces"? There is no smiles aviable on IRC or something like this, so, I am not sure what it all about. Maybe, it's not for me?

upd. Okay then.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 10, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
we assume nothing, even when we grant you your glorious death in equal numbers pvp you get on irc and say "SWARM."

and post hateful things on the forum and really really good troll faces.

@at Ratnik, Naw STralker said we assume he does... what he does... everydey
Well its true, or else why would V-Tec get so defensive when I say they swarmed?

2 sPA  and 8 vs 5 guys and 1 sPA seems real fair
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 10, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Last fight kick the shit out of me. Room full of fire and smoke, another room - dead bodies of my teammates and V Techs shooting us one by another like on execution. Generally today was a day full of strange battles for me. I bring gatling - it works good first time, but next two battles isn't work anymore. I reroll on sneaker and did few good kills with needler. But then Hellmoi bring Heartbeat detector so I was useless and was killed few times without any damage for enemy. Okay then, I decide, maybe, It's time for good old hard-to-kill toughness+adrenalin rush sniper. And I died 2 times and wasn't kill even 1 enemy. Kinda totally 50/50% day. 
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 10, 2015, 05:46:12 PM
That's some spirit.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: VanCarnY on August 10, 2015, 06:01:40 PM
totally 50/50 day man, early on we had a series of nearly equal number fights.  once we intercepted three en route to base so that turned into a cornered 5v3. but the 2-3 fights before that were interesting, we won first even numbers fight, then lost two.  and then thinking everyone rage quit or something  :-[, nope fights all dayam day.  THats what im talking about AOP!  best part was stalker throwing my own spears at my nuts.

edit: but rat if u were gonna do a sniper, that last room was a bad spot  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 10, 2015, 06:03:40 PM
best part was stalker throwing my own spears at my nuts.
;D Quote of the day
but rat if u were gonna do a sniper, that last room was a bad spot  ;D
Other lawyers must be happy I failed to push them there with myself. But I tried hard because used to think "this room has only 2 doors and others 3. This one will be easiest to defend".
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 11, 2015, 05:13:20 AM
This was bad room, but i was more unhappy to see everyone leave after first fight. (i got there late)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Fox on August 12, 2015, 06:43:15 PM
Thanks for some late night PvP, lawyers.
Couldn't stay for more unfortunately.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 12, 2015, 06:44:53 PM
Damn it! I SAID NUGGETS "Don't come, pls". But Doon said to him next second "I think they will bring more". So Nuggets came. So lame!!!!
Good dmg from my gun to sPA. We with Doon against 2 Vault Techs - not impossible to win. But all this "my 3th your 3th" case just ruined it for me, because at the end I deal with 3 full-armored guys.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Fox on August 12, 2015, 06:48:27 PM
Damn it! I SAID NUGGETS "Don't come, pls". But Doon said to him next second "I think they will bring more". So Nuggets came. So lame!!!!
Good dmg from my gun to sPA. We with Doon against 2 Vault Techs - not impossible to win. But all this "my 3th your 3th" case just ruined it for me, because at the end I deal with 3 full-armored guys.
Looks like I missed some action. As usual.
What exactly happened after that first round ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Ratnik on August 13, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
Good fight at Enterprises! Hell yeah!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 18, 2015, 06:19:59 AM
Lawyers need to try to bring more than 2x1 in people and t3 againt v-tec.
Try 3x1 guys, should work, can tell from my huge swarmer experience
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on August 18, 2015, 09:13:19 AM
we try if bring ur asses to the core atleast , law no quality atm so we have to do it , maybe we attract some twats .
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 19, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
combatant u switched to balance number aaiiight ?

(http://www11.pic-upload.de/19.08.15/p97rs6fb3v2x.jpg)

If I go alone in the zone while 10+ law capping and make a pic, could I participate this "stalker's counting system" contest?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on August 19, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
where is stalker?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on August 19, 2015, 09:10:13 PM
combatant u switched to balance number aaiiight ?

(http://www11.pic-upload.de/19.08.15/p97rs6fb3v2x.jpg)

If I go alone in the zone while 10+ law capping and make a pic, could I participate this "stalker's counting system" contest?

funny thing is u capped with one , u arent even interested in seeing your number ... just gopnikshit im not interested in , while u pussies dont came when we capped with 6 and u had 6 on the grid but were afraid becoz of loosing battles before is pathetic uber shiet that doesntgives u more action becasue on every other server the worst enemy does even come to fights no matter what because they looking for pvp and not some pixelloving gopnik shit u seeking for
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 19, 2015, 09:26:55 PM

Quote
If I go alone in the zone while 10+ law capping and make a pic, could I participate this "stalker's counting system" contest?

Don't forget to do it as a sneaker for best result.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on August 20, 2015, 12:26:03 AM
Nice screenshot. I do remember a similar situation in Enterprise not too long ago with a different outcome. But anyways, on to combat analysis.

As we can see in this picture:

Hailrain, Anzah and Misstik are being dead.
Data is offline playing DOTA with his 6 brothers who also aren't there in the battle.
Vulture is sleeping, Chicken Nuggets is running because he forgot to put money in the parking meter and Vikki Goldman is making screenshots for her upcoming biography: 'Born to cry'.

If any of you were actually fighting instead of being preoccupied with other things this might have even lasted longer than 12 seconds.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 20, 2015, 01:13:10 AM
Nobody can enjoy total dominating as a part of a bigger group. First because enemies would not show up. Second when they show up and if their group not that large as yours, you can deal a few shots, then - all enemies are dead. And you have nothing to do in game.
So you have nothing to worry about Courier. If we still can't see massive migration from Vault-Tech to Lawyers it's probably because people feels themself comfortable and enjoy AoP way it is now. 
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 20, 2015, 03:58:21 AM
it's because there's no domination. Teams numbers are being changed in waves, and all are winning and losing from time to time. But some's consciousness are too childish to be able to take responsibility and correctly percept the reality, they are emotionally unstable and thus unable to react to the situation anyhow but by blaming everyone and everything around. You can see about the same when you take a candy from a child.

It's well known that during last 2 weeks v-tec were outnumbered in much more than half of the battles. And answer is: "feel how is it to be swarmed". 'Born to cry'ers forum's posts are just information war, taken out of the context statements of butthurt. They take advantage in any situation they can. Statements of good intentions and fair-play is just a disguise.

If teams have same number, Cryier6 will blame t3 when in the combat couple of days ago his was using it against the team with twice less number. If not t3, Cryier will blame noobs in his team, while those are joining v-tec and performing better than others.

There's no way to use facts, logic or arguments with such people. Still I enjoy your story and 'Born to cry' label, 10/10.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 20, 2015, 04:05:06 AM
If I go alone in the zone while 10+ law capping and make a pic, could I participate this "stalker's counting system" contest?
Aawwww...you're always thinking of me  :-[  ;D How cute

where is stalker?
Was making burritos IRL xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 20, 2015, 04:08:25 AM
Like, watch stalker's posts (: it's just a little girl, thinking she's a princess, while being a whore (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 20, 2015, 04:16:42 AM
I'm a girl, love me!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 20, 2015, 04:18:02 AM
 :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Q0Ml3czKE
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 20, 2015, 05:47:27 AM
Mean words apart, it was a bit sad that the blue guys spent so much time before coming, despite having same number. Think about all the fun both groups would have if you came earlier. It is worthy to avoid all that PVP to save a bunch of combat armors ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 20, 2015, 06:26:32 AM
Nice screenshot. I do remember a similar situation in Enterprise not too long ago with a different outcome. But anyways, on to combat analysis.

As we can see in this picture:

Hailrain, Anzah and Misstik are being dead.
Data is offline playing DOTA with his 6 brothers who also aren't there in the battle.
Vulture is sleeping, Chicken Nuggets is running because he forgot to put money in the parking meter and Vikki Goldman is making screenshots for her upcoming biography: 'Born to cry'.

If any of you were actually fighting instead of being preoccupied with other things this might have even lasted longer than 12 seconds.

Yes, I logged as soon as I died to play Dota with Thomas and Anza.

FYI - the position was ANZA's idea, I had suggested moving south east but was shot down. #ListenDontListen :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 20, 2015, 06:28:03 AM
Mean words apart, it was a bit sad that the blue guys spent so much time before coming, despite having same number. Think about all the fun both groups would have if you came earlier. It is worthy to avoid all that PVP to save a bunch of combat armors ?

I am no longer deliberately participating in large fights anymore. It is pretty pointless now. :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on August 20, 2015, 06:30:19 AM
Yeah indeed it was me who said not to go so fast so we could keep position while moving, really bad idea while Ramon was inside building watching us :-[
Mea Culpa, I decided to ruin Matt and Thomas DotA games as a punishment :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 20, 2015, 07:33:12 AM
Mean words apart, it was a bit sad that the blue guys spent so much time before coming, despite having same number. Think about all the fun both groups would have if you came earlier. It is worthy to avoid all that PVP to save a bunch of combat armors ?

Maybe they were tired of losing to equal numbers xddd
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on August 20, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
I am no longer deliberately participating in large fights anymore. It is pretty pointless now. :)

Another step closer to vtec season victory
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on August 20, 2015, 11:39:51 AM
who cares anyway , as soon as core lawyers away u wont have any fun anymore but according to your leader u got enough numper to dispell all the family law switchers i guess to send em to bbq as outcasts or something or maybe not haha #whocares
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on August 20, 2015, 11:47:21 AM
courier turned to alcohol after all the losses i see
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 20, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Another step closer to vtec season victory

... Of the jerkass contest ? What is the reward ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on August 20, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: naossano

... Of the jerkass contest ? What is the reward ?

(http://is2.mzstatic.com/image/pf/us/r30/Publication/v4/5d/af/e2/5dafe225-0c54-4cb0-b461-da3d015c7e31/CLASSICS_CLIJ_564_SaltMountain_001.480x480-75.jpg)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 20, 2015, 03:56:49 PM
Nice fight at GE *trollface* I hope Hellmoi and those 2nd guy at zone next to mine, also will be raped in all positions.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 20, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
What was it, 12+ vs 7? lol
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 20, 2015, 06:19:58 PM
lol did you see the Top 5 biggest swarms  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 20, 2015, 06:29:20 PM
What was it, 12+ vs 7? lol
11
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Fox on August 20, 2015, 06:38:37 PM
What was it, 12+ vs 7? lol
11

... vs. 4 SPAs, bozars and gauss dildos.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 20, 2015, 06:42:08 PM
11

... vs. 4 SPAs, bozars and gauss dildos.
I mean Rob-Co last battle on Enterprise
(http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/8/3/6/screen2015_9343138_18490836.jpg)

Against 4 sPA I have no idea how many we are back there.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 20, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
What was it, 12+ vs 7? lol

Can't even count people in own team. Go school, kid
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 20, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
... vs. 4 SPAs, bozars and gauss dildos.
Oh but when its 2 sPAs + TPRs and 10 guys versus 7 with normal gear its ok?  Amazing logic. Also it makes sense with the team with lower numbers to take better gear. BTW I find it funny that damage stopped taking his sPA and legedary weapon when he saw me with gauss. It's almost as if he lost confidence for his team.

Can't even count people in own team. Go school, kid
Go to school kid.*
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on August 20, 2015, 08:37:54 PM
gear doenst matter

- V Tecs 2015
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 12:28:23 AM
What was it, 12+ vs 7? lol

Can't even count people in own team. Go school, kid

At school you learn grammar first.

It's "Go TO school, kid".

Looks like you haven't been there.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 21, 2015, 02:05:31 AM
I had math looong before English grammar.

To clarify:
As she gets a little older — between 3 and 4 — your child will start to understand the idea that adding more objects increases the number counted (whereas taking away objects decreases the amount). So when grandma comes to visit, there's another napkin on the table, bringing the count to four. Another way to reinforce this concept is to count everyday objects in your child's environment — the number of apple slices on her plate, for example — and note what happens when objects are subtracted (eaten) or added. Between 3 and 4 years of age, she'll also be more adept at counting small sets of objects — "two oranges, four straws" and so on. Most children are not able to identify numerals or write them, though, until they're 4 or 5.
source: http://www.babycenter.com/404_how-and-when-should-i-teach-my-child-her-numbers_6899.bc

English grammar became a thing for me 5 years later after I was able to multiply single numbers.
Now that you suck in regional geography and concepts of education, I'm ready to evaluate your Russian (:

Anyway, it's nice to see that Stalker doesn't even try to argument.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 21, 2015, 03:23:59 AM
Well, you had the same problem of swarming since one year. Don't you think 12 months is enough to solve a things other teams would have solved in 3 months ? Do you need to go to school to study those options ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 21, 2015, 04:05:03 AM
And what exactly is there to argue about?  ???

BTW are you my biggest fanboy? Trying to get into arguments, A signature made just for me, trying to focus me so hard during ZC, its so cute  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on August 21, 2015, 04:08:26 AM
stoy suka blyad pizda pizdec vodka balalaika
Russian is easy.  8)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 21, 2015, 04:24:26 AM
stoy suka blyad pizda pizdec vodka balalaika
Russian is easy.  8)
I can confirm this. Courier is speaking 100% Russian ever since he learned Blyad :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 05:27:48 AM
Russian is not the universal language. English is.
Or maybe its the virtue of propaganda in some countries that makes you believe the contrary. In this case, yes you've been to school. But you've been quite unfortunate.

PS: Based on my fellows' criteria, Im also a native Russian speaker  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: ProfessorYanick on August 21, 2015, 06:26:19 AM
Is it my, eyes or I just have read a word "propaganda" in one of the posts? It gives me some ideas about the nationality of the author. But apart my ideas is the fact that for anyone living in Russia or near russian borders russian language is universal in the same way as english. And apart this linguistic fact is the fact that you don't need academical knowledge of english to answer to some certain players from Lawyer faction because the level of discussion is drastically far from intellectual. Getting back to the game it seems like some law players needed a good punch to the balls to make them open their stashes and take gear that could give them some edge over v-tec. I'm quite happy that we were able to deliver such a punch.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 06:32:31 AM
We got a real professor here, trying to preach that universality is relative. LMAO.
If you say Universal, it means "common to everyone". If not, then its not universal. And yes, the universal language is English.
Do you teach Russian too? Or maybe some propaganda this time.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 21, 2015, 06:45:31 AM
> If you say Universal, it means "common to everyone"

Wow, you suck also with terms. Do you want to say that English is common to everyone?

English is certainly "universal language" by the definition of e.g. wikipedia though.

Just a little bit of statistic to clear your propaganda.
native: 360–400 million  (2006)
L2 speakers: 400 million;
as a foreign language: 600–700 million
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

meaning there are roughly 1.5 billions people speaking English, which is a little more than 20% of the world population. Now if you know a little bit of math statistics, you can consider term "common to everyone" to be around 95% of the sample, while in reality 80% of the sample are not included.

Just another fact that you suck in regional geography. Meaning it's really hard for you to even understand the concept and application of what's called "propaganda" in the modern world.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 07:28:34 AM
Explain yourself all you want.
What you said just proved my point.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 21, 2015, 07:47:38 AM
Is it my, eyes or I just have read a word "propaganda" in one of the posts? It gives me some ideas about the nationality of the author. But apart my ideas is the fact that for anyone living in Russia or near russian borders russian language is universal in the same way as english. And apart this linguistic fact is the fact that you don't need academical knowledge of english to answer to some certain players from Lawyer faction because the level of discussion is drastically far from intellectual. Getting back to the game it seems like some law players needed a good punch to the balls to make them open their stashes and take gear that could give them some edge over v-tec. I'm quite happy that we were able to deliver such a punch.

I shan't open my stashes. They are mine and mine alone!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 21, 2015, 07:48:51 AM
> If you say Universal, it means "common to everyone"

Wow, you suck also with terms. Do you want to say that English is common to everyone?

English is certainly "universal language" by the definition of e.g. wikipedia though.

Just a little bit of statistic to clear your propaganda.
native: 360–400 million  (2006)
L2 speakers: 400 million;
as a foreign language: 600–700 million
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

meaning there are roughly 1.5 billions people speaking English, which is a little more than 20% of the world population. Now if you know a little bit of math statistics, you can consider term "common to everyone" to be around 95% of the sample, while in reality 80% of the sample are not included.

Just another fact that you suck in regional geography. Meaning it's really hard for you to even understand the concept and application of what's called "propaganda" in the modern world.

Paragon, I don't say this much but please chill out man. You come across as some neurotic teacher that cannot control his class.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 21, 2015, 07:50:10 AM
Pls, don't interrupt, I'm having fun here. We are trying to prove that math is v-tec propaganda.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 08:00:49 AM
Paragon, you just proved you re better at barking than the average Russian speaker. And oh boy, do you bark a lot - behind your screen.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: ProfessorYanick on August 21, 2015, 08:07:26 AM
Anyway, Matthew, isn't it a nice thing that we have so many little grey hamsters, who could dig some sPAs from their piles of loot? :) I wish I could hear the discussion which led to fielding such an amount of gear by Law.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 08:09:59 AM
The discussion was around the lines of "Holy Poo...... they re 14 and we re 7, we re gonna need some PA"
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on August 21, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
Yanick, lawyers used to be able to beat Techs using tier 1 armour.

We slowly reacted to the huge increase in V Tech weaponary.

We were generally pushing our luck, prior.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on August 21, 2015, 09:35:58 AM
tier 1 armor is only the sandrobe.

Also nice to see more kind of battle styles utilized here, also must be first 10+ battle that vtech didn't use a single sneaker.   
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on August 21, 2015, 09:51:55 AM
i wonder if english is used throughout the universe..

EDIT: nope, I did some research, and universal, in this context, is relativistic.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 21, 2015, 10:32:09 AM
Some research inside of Russia :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on August 21, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
I rather say "international" language. It doesn't matter how many people speak it.
What matter is that you can't learn all languages in the word. When you need to speak to a stranger, let's say a german trying to speak a chinese, you have to speak a third language that both can understand. Hence the one international language that all should use when they want to speak to someone stranger, unless they know the specific local langage of that guy. No matter how many chinese or russians there is around, i won't gonna learn ten language when the english is enough to speak both to the chinese and the russian, or even the brazilian, vietnamese, koreans etc...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on August 21, 2015, 12:46:08 PM
Yanick, lawyers used to be able to beat Techs using tier 1 armour.

We slowly reacted to the huge increase in V Tech weaponary.

We were generally pushing our luck, prior.

Was scared mightily after you first crushed us in vtec enterprise. Got out with damage and ran in to two packs of and and a pack of molerats on top of sewer exit :D. Constant knockdowns from rats while stalker was calmly executing me with gauss. Was afraid to cross grid after that when we capped robco and yolo'd left grid. Was scared to cross grid into tec gate to chase after battle was won even. So if anything the PA squad was intimidating, and it was only after 5 mins into the battle that we realized you probably had less numbers and that the 3/4 guy DSR line was actually single bozar (which kept 5 of our guys locked in garage) And hellmoi decided to take some guys to flank from south. Was a good battle, I wouldn't have minded if we lost.

DISCLAIMER: any part of above commentary cannot and should not be seen as positive regarding SRALKERS role in any of the described events.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 21, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
The horror stories for me are real.  8)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on August 23, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
dafuq tecs all log off .. need swarm =//
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on August 24, 2015, 02:29:58 AM
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

LOL NOOB cuz you sux
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 24, 2015, 02:32:23 AM
In the world of pixels, "noob" is like the worst insult possible. Congratulations Paragon.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 24, 2015, 02:42:25 AM
Thanks paragon! He just proved how much of a bitch he is  ;D

I'm obviously too hot to handle for him xD

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 24, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
We got 6 online, 5 V Techs. C'mon, guys from other sides, we gotta do some ZC action together.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 26, 2015, 02:32:14 AM
Good fight combatant

You got soo damn lucky that small knockback you did took away 5 AP I needed for burst.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on August 26, 2015, 11:41:06 AM
blyad noobs
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 27, 2015, 04:19:53 PM
Friendly PvP is the best, when numbers of online low on one of the sides. Hope we can do same more. I can surely say, it is more entertaining then hunting in sneak around the Core on guys you can reason with and make fair terms together.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 27, 2015, 04:43:29 PM
Friendly PvP is the best, when numbers of online low on one of the sides. Hope we can do same more. I can surely say, it is more entertaining then hunting in sneak around the Core on guys you can reason with and make fair terms together.
Stop playing shit sneaker and fight like a man when someone is taking a zone bitch .
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 27, 2015, 04:58:55 PM
Friendly PvP is the best
But some people just asking for getting own ass kicked. I already know every one of their kind.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 28, 2015, 11:11:44 AM
Friendly PvP is the best
But some people just asking for getting own ass kicked. I already know every one of their kind.


what the hell does this even mean
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 28, 2015, 11:15:40 AM
It means PvP is happening in the forum not in-game. Lawl
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: MARXMAN on August 28, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
It means PvP is happening in the forum not in-game. Lawl

You speak the troof



In game:

(http://www.bshort.org/images/D70_new/Farm%20Park%20-%20Empty%20Field.jpg)


The forums:

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52259000/jpg/_52259728_jex_1022723_de27-1.jpg)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Anza on August 28, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
First pic : Windows wallpaper
Second pic : Windows system
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: lvhoang on August 29, 2015, 07:14:36 AM
It means PvP is happening in the forum not in-game. Lawl

You speak the troof



In game:

(http://www.bshort.org/images/D70_new/Farm%20Park%20-%20Empty%20Field.jpg)


The forums:

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52259000/jpg/_52259728_jex_1022723_de27-1.jpg)

Loved your post Marxman !!!! xD
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 29, 2015, 01:57:55 PM
V-Techs, we need our squad now. Law 6-7 we have not enough. Some guys also me logged in, we waiting for the rest.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 29, 2015, 04:27:24 PM
No more PvP tonight? I really miss action. At least, there was 2 good fights. But on the other hand, only two.
P.S. Maybe 3, I wasn't logged in after PD, so for me it was last one.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 31, 2015, 06:15:52 PM
DAT FIGHT AT JUNK. I like "WTF was that?". Enemy and allies from all directions. First, I stuck at room full of mustard gas, but enemy didn't care about me - no nades in windows, no pokes at all. 100% "#whocares" :D
Then I left those room and Data spawns behind me and runs past like we are in same team. So I did 3 free shots with rad rifle and with someone else's assist he died in no time!
Chaotic action!  Included my death at PD before Junk fight, where I like "na, they are not coming" and scavenged food inside school. Whole squad separated and .... at last seconds.... CONTESTED. Then.. mess. I really enjoy JC cause was sad after PD and wanted revenge. And get it :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on August 31, 2015, 07:24:58 PM
DAT FIGHT AT JUNK. I like "WTF was that?". Enemy and allies from all directions. First, I stuck at room full of mustard gas, but enemy didn't care about me - no nades in windows, no pokes at all. 100% "#whocares" :D
Then I left those room and Data spawns behind me and runs past like we are in same team. So I did 3 free shots with rad rifle and with someone else's assist he died in no time!
Chaotic action!  Included my death at PD before Junk fight, where I like "na, they are not coming" and scavenged food inside school. Whole squad separated and .... at last seconds.... CONTESTED. Then.. mess. I really enjoy JC cause was sad after PD and wanted revenge. And get it :P

next time better dont run away like in hospital when u have 5 guys left vs 5 this is really meh , but u learn to run fast in tecs ive heard and ive seen it retreat with same number of players enemy has is like huehue
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on August 31, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
I don't really get what are you saying. Last time I was at Hospital with our squad and in fight was quite long time ago (as for me. it means maybe week before). I remember, we killed few players, personally I just revialed 1 sneaker from lawyers and he was killed very fast by my teammates. So I am not sure I was there exactly in fight you speaking about.
After all, I have nothing against running away in situations, when team filled with gear and enemy keep coming or when most part of my team was dead.
Also I can tell for sure: players turn game on not just for running away. So back at hospital fight, which I still can't remember, Techs probably was gotta go for a reason. I believe, you realize the truth that we all playing at PvP server, not roleplay-adapted. So "fear your enemy" isn't a big deal in game. Mostly, it all about "fear lost your gear". But at the end of game session it's rather habit to care about own gear.
Usually there is few main reasons for retreat: 1 Larger enemy group 2 Better enemy's equipment ("sPA for noobs" (c) Courier) 3 Bad position at the moment when enemy shows up.
Sure, there is possibly situations when 1 player gotta go AFK in the middle of the fight. Then other decide to safe own gear and whole team wrecked. But you saying about 5v5 and, as I understand, Techs ran before battle starts. So nothing to do with any of reasons I mentioned before.   
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on September 01, 2015, 12:10:07 AM
I believe, you realize the truth that we all playing at PvP server, not roleplay-adapted. So "fear your enemy" isn't a big deal in game. Mostly, it all about "fear lost your gear".

this is actually what kills the most fun out of pvp atm , and tbh it was never different , ive seen tecs run long before u came to AoP ... its just hilarious how hard some people do care about some pixelz in a game were most of the gear is mostly free to get , irc trolls prove me right also when they are happy to loot stims from my corpse like it is something special ... so you see in the end this two thing are quite controversal ... free gear vs. care about stuff in my opinion = destroys pvp or better to say : seeing 4 or 5 guys run from other 5 guys :[ like we play who sees who first and decide to run instead of fighting is pathetic. but the law does seems to learn from this adv pvp tactics like u say because in end we do fear not the enemy but we do also fear the loose of almost free gear , so lets see how this turns out. 

ive personally adopted that gamestyle by now , still im hating it but i got all reasons for that because ive seen what happened after 2 weeks of total destruction , and im not talking about the shitchat , im talking about that law didnt mind to loose stuff while in comparison today ive seen the total opposite that the enemy ,whom we gave fun by not retreating with number we can fight with , decides to run away with some equal number just for the matter of "we care about stuff" ? serious i think its more some kind of mixed attitude like carrying about stuff in combination with some high amount of dont give enemy same pleasures he gave us by playing against us which is detructive ...

this attitude also killed the core activity in addition to some other non existent features. stuff like spa , legendaries and t3 just playing in the hand of this destructive system we have atm , same goes for no combat timer , doorglue and charges , no invetory check when dead plus fast respawn timer that has same amount of sec on every coremap ...

i think people that are left on server should serious ask themself what tehy are playing this game for , for pixelz that will get deleted at the end of the season or for fun ?

because from what i see , some people take this pixellove / fear stuff way too serious ... i also remember suff speaking in v tec mumble in beginning of the season : "if i run out of support combat armors mk3 i will quit aop"... seems like he never ran out of any things :D so where this fear comming from ? you people afraid to play the actual game ? and go to the core ? how it was designed to ... ???
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 01, 2015, 12:39:42 AM
You can't have that DayZ feeling anymore ever since this new zone timer. Once you enter another faction's zone, it's like a big fat alarm for them.

And why you no let me take bozar :V
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on September 01, 2015, 12:46:00 AM
You can't have that DayZ feeling anymore ever since this new zone timer. Once you enter another faction's zone, it's like a big fat alarm for them.

And why you no let me take bozar :V

because some people care about pixelz , last time i used that bozar it destroyed pvp , enemy was running with more coreplayer number and that werent fun fights .. in my opinion this t3 is ridiclous anyway and one of the things which has more value , for most players that are currently playing , then enjoying the game ... which is sad imo . we can test it at the right time i think , but tbh i think the result wont be any fun fight eitherway we win because they flee with full combat squad or we loose and forced to read comments about this bozar pixelz ...

i agree with the timer thing also , old one was way better and casual friendly ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on September 01, 2015, 01:58:32 AM
"If you are winning, someone else is losing." zero sum situation

pls don't be so negative courier its only a game :'(

I can assure you having fun is not the same for everyone so you shoudn't try to imitate other people doings but work toward your own definition of fun.

You saw vtech running ? why do you think people are making jokes about Stalker and Courrier running away ?

You think vtech are hamsters ? why do think people are making the same jokes about Stalker and Courrier being hamsters ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 01, 2015, 02:41:28 AM
You saw vtech running ? why do you think people are making jokes about Stalker and Courrier running away ?
We're probably the biggest celebrities of AoP :D (On a serious note, we bail from swarm)

You think vtech are hamsters ? why do think people are making the same jokes about Stalker and Courrier being hamsters ?
lol us being hamsters? There are players out there with literally 3x more tier3 and sPA than us.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on September 01, 2015, 05:02:35 AM
Combatant, I know it takes time for everyone at first, but I really hope you will stop taking cryier's and his buttfriends' "вбросы говна в вентилятор" seriously soon enough. (sorry, I couldn't translate that, can replaces with "trolling attempts")
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on September 01, 2015, 06:21:33 AM
You can't have that DayZ feeling anymore ever since this new zone timer. Once you enter another faction's zone, it's like a big fat alarm for them.

And why you no let me take bozar :V

because some people care about pixelz , last time i used that bozar it destroyed pvp , enemy was running with more coreplayer number and that werent fun fights .. in my opinion this t3 is ridiclous anyway and one of the things which has more value , for most players that are currently playing , then enjoying the game ... which is sad imo . we can test it at the right time i think , but tbh i think the result wont be any fun fight eitherway we win because they flee with full combat squad or we loose and forced to read comments about this bozar pixelz ...

i agree with the timer thing also , old one was way better and casual friendly ...

Cry cos:

swarm
tier advantage
higher core player number

This is a new one.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 01, 2015, 06:58:44 AM
Combatant, I know it takes time for everyone at first, but I really hope you will stop taking cryier's and his buttfriends' "вбросы говна в вентилятор" seriously soon enough. (sorry, I couldn't translate that, can replaces with "trolling attempts")
I just wondering which fight Courier mentioned.
Anyway, I can't pretend too long about Courier and Stalker, like they are my enemies outside the game. If I am easily offended there is "ignore" button and they are "gone". But I keep reading their posts..
Honestly, I thought from time to time "what if they both will stop playing the game for real"? Courier and Stalker, who care about V-Tech swarm more then others, keeps it alive in same time. Their faction our only one possibly enemy. Even if Stalker and Courier only 2, they gone - and our little "Conflict" with Laywers will surely become into friendly-balanced team PvP. "How many are you today? Oh well, Combatant, Hellmoi and Damage go and play on Law side with ~forgive 1 so we will be same number" :D
Isn't it fun sometimes when enemy really wants kick your ass and hate your team (kinda)? Also, they usually make sense about game mechanics and stuff like that on forum. So it doesn't make sense to ignore them, after all.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 01, 2015, 07:19:02 AM
Combatant, I know it takes time for everyone at first, but I really hope you will stop taking cryier's and his buttfriends' "вбросы говна в вентилятор" seriously soon enough. (sorry, I couldn't translate that, can replaces with "trolling attempts")
I just wondering which fight Courier mentioned.
Anyway, I can't pretend too long about Courier and Stalker, like they are my enemies outside the game. If I am easily offended there is "ignore" button and they are "gone". But I keep reading their posts..
Honestly, I thought from time to time "what if they both will stop playing the game for real"? Courier and Stalker, who care about V-Tech swarm more then others, keeps it alive in same time. Their faction our only one possibly enemy. Even if Stalker and Courier only 2, they gone - and our little "Conflict" with Laywers will surely become into friendly-balanced team PvP. "How many are you today? Oh well, Combatant, Hellmoi and Damage go and play on Law side with ~forgive 1 so we will be same number" :D
Isn't it fun sometimes when enemy really wants kick your ass and hate your team (kinda)? Also, they usually make sense about game mechanics and stuff like that on forum. So it doesn't make sense to ignore them, after all.

+1

Don't let Paragon patronize you. :3
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 01, 2015, 11:12:53 AM
I just wondering which fight Courier mentioned.
Anyway, I can't pretend too long about Courier and Stalker, like they are my enemies outside the game. If I am easily offended there is "ignore" button and they are "gone". But I keep reading their posts..
Honestly, I thought from time to time "what if they both will stop playing the game for real"? Courier and Stalker, who care about V-Tech swarm more then others, keeps it alive in same time. Their faction our only one possibly enemy. Even if Stalker and Courier only 2, they gone - and our little "Conflict" with Laywers will surely become into friendly-balanced team PvP. "How many are you today? Oh well, Combatant, Hellmoi and Damage go and play on Law side with ~forgive 1 so we will be same number" :D
Isn't it fun sometimes when enemy really wants kick your ass and hate your team (kinda)? Also, they usually make sense about game mechanics and stuff like that on forum. So it doesn't make sense to ignore them, after all.
Don't listen to paragon he's a bitch :D

Has me and courier ignored everywhere...and I mean literally, everywhere.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: John Porno on September 01, 2015, 11:23:14 AM
why do I even keep clicking on this thread
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 01, 2015, 11:38:13 AM
why do I even keep clicking on this thread
Maybe you looking for this one! Most epic PvP ever:
(http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/6/5/3/screen2015_8474637_18635653.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on September 01, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
Reminds me of ripper ripper duels/suicides  :)

why do I even keep clicking on this thread


What do you expect to see when clicking this thread ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: REDRUM on September 01, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
why do I even keep clicking on this thread
Maybe you looking for this one! Most epic PvP ever:
(http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/6/5/3/screen2015_8474637_18635653.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 01, 2015, 05:55:30 PM
I believe, you realize the truth that we all playing at PvP server, not roleplay-adapted. So "fear your enemy" isn't a big deal in game. Mostly, it all about "fear lost your gear".

this is actually what kills the most fun out of pvp atm , and tbh it was never different , ive seen tecs run long before u came to AoP ... its just hilarious how hard some people do care about some pixelz in a game were most of the gear is mostly free to get , irc trolls prove me right also when they are happy to loot stims from my corpse like it is something special ... so you see in the end this two thing are quite controversal ... free gear vs. care about stuff in my opinion = destroys pvp or better to say : seeing 4 or 5 guys run from other 5 guys :[ like we play who sees who first and decide to run instead of fighting is pathetic. but the law does seems to learn from this adv pvp tactics like u say because in end we do fear not the enemy but we do also fear the loose of almost free gear , so lets see how this turns out. 

ive personally adopted that gamestyle by now , still im hating it but i got all reasons for that because ive seen what happened after 2 weeks of total destruction , and im not talking about the shitchat , im talking about that law didnt mind to loose stuff while in comparison today ive seen the total opposite that the enemy ,whom we gave fun by not retreating with number we can fight with , decides to run away with some equal number just for the matter of "we care about stuff" ? serious i think its more some kind of mixed attitude like carrying about stuff in combination with some high amount of dont give enemy same pleasures he gave us by playing against us which is detructive ...

this attitude also killed the core activity in addition to some other non existent features. stuff like spa , legendaries and t3 just playing in the hand of this destructive system we have atm , same goes for no combat timer , doorglue and charges , no invetory check when dead plus fast respawn timer that has same amount of sec on every coremap ...

i think people that are left on server should serious ask themself what tehy are playing this game for , for pixelz that will get deleted at the end of the season or for fun ?

because from what i see , some people take this pixellove / fear stuff way too serious ... i also remember suff speaking in v tec mumble in beginning of the season : "if i run out of support combat armors mk3 i will quit aop"... seems like he never ran out of any things :D so where this fear comming from ? you people afraid to play the actual game ? and go to the core ? how it was designed to ... ???

That seems a wise post.
Sadly, i am too hexausted to even hope that they would drop someday the proud  act and actually read the things that are said to them.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on September 02, 2015, 07:29:47 AM
> I wonder how the battle would have went if Hellmai did notice his gun dropped

There's secret setting.ini option for this
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 03, 2015, 07:25:40 PM
Matthew, when you asking me "why" or saying "stop!" - it's not helps. You came on territory, which belongs to V-Techs atm. I came to kill everyone, who is member of different faction than mine. It's simple yet. If you want say something clear - do it, I have nothing against dialogue. But not exactly at the moment, when I stabbing your char with wakizashi and you shooting back with remington. We can talk here, for great example.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on September 03, 2015, 07:29:08 PM
> I wonder how the battle would have went if Hellmai did notice his gun dropped

There's secret setting.ini option for this

i wonder how aop would feel if not so many people would ahve quit for some obious reasons ...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 03, 2015, 07:33:56 PM
Matthew, when you asking me "why" or saying "stop!" - it's not helps. You came on territory, which belongs to V-Techs atm. I came to kill everyone, who is member of different faction than mine. It's simple yet. If you want say something clear - do it, I have nothing against dialogue. But not exactly at the moment, when I stabbing your char with wakizashi and you shooting back with remington. We can talk here, for great example.

Tactics
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 03, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
What? Say a bit more, because I feel like I killing little children in Den in Fallout 2. Imagine if your enemy asking not hurt him or asking why you killing him, but keep coming with weapon and armor.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on September 03, 2015, 07:53:03 PM
What? Say a bit more, because I feel like I killing little children in Den in Fallout 2. Imagine if your enemy asking not hurt him or asking why you killing him, but keep coming with weapon and armor.

lol
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 03, 2015, 08:32:46 PM
Matthew, when you asking me "why" or saying "stop!" - it's not helps. You came on territory, which belongs to V-Techs atm. I came to kill everyone, who is member of different faction than mine. It's simple yet. If you want say something clear - do it, I have nothing against dialogue. But not exactly at the moment, when I stabbing your char with wakizashi and you shooting back with remington. We can talk here, for great example.
Why can't you be like death0? We fought each other to negative and gave FA to each other. Then talked for a while.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 03, 2015, 08:36:46 PM
Why, I can. But what guy did: came to zone, contest it. Without even one word to us, he lock himself in one of the buildings. After fight with you (Adams) me and Hellmoi opened doors which he used before and found him very fast. He was in the corner with supersledge or machete. I attacked him from sneak after Hellmoi shoot at him few times. Now he saying I do like kill AFK. It's cool time and place to AFK, that's all I can say. How often I asking hostile player is he AFK? In Fonline. NEVER. Especially when he comes and acts like he working on ambush inside house.
Can't fight, afraid of character's death? Say something before you left your character. Shout it with "ctrl". What Matthew doing I just wondering. Like I gotta ask him every time I see how is he doing and after it attack him if he saying back ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Niamak on September 03, 2015, 09:19:28 PM
pls think of the children  :'(
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 04, 2015, 04:09:37 AM
Matthew, when you asking me "why" or saying "stop!" - it's not helps. You came on territory, which belongs to V-Techs atm. I came to kill everyone, who is member of different faction than mine. It's simple yet. If you want say something clear - do it, I have nothing against dialogue. But not exactly at the moment, when I stabbing your char with wakizashi and you shooting back with remington. We can talk here, for great example.

Not denying it, but i didn't see any post in which he complains about being shot when going to Vault-Tec Enterprise with weapons and acting suspiciously like Hellmoi.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 06:59:10 AM
First, he said it all via chat during the game. I even mentioned example with wakizashi and remingtion, it's obvious that we talking not about forum here.
Second, his character died at Adams School and Rob-Co last night (by my hand). Not at Vault-Tech Enterprises.
And I can't remember, back when I was Lawyer, when Hellmoi locked himself in buildings and accusing me "you do like kill afk, you" after being killed. So why you mentioned him I don't get it.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 04, 2015, 07:02:40 AM
And you call Adams School VTEC territory. For Robco, i can understand, but a lawyer doesn't have to justify himself when going to adams school.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 07:05:13 AM
Haha, it's about roleplay :D Allright. We will see, whos territory it truly is, weakling lawyer! Let our swords guns speak instead of us!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 04, 2015, 07:34:49 AM
Me and chicken nugget were just chillaxing. And these barabians come and attack me.

Combatant. I go and try and cap my territory back and every time I go to the loo I find you killing me while afk.

Do you get satisfaction from killing afk players?

Does it get you all hot and sweaty?

Does it make you feel powerful?

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 07:42:06 AM
I see you upset and can't understand I don't owed you anything. You will die every time when your character attract attension in the Core. You can turn game off and then ask me. Every time. Why characted dead. It's foolish but if you okay with such style of gameplay it's allright ::)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 04, 2015, 07:59:17 AM
I see you upset and can't understand I don't owed you anything. You will die every time when your character attract attension in the Core. You can turn game off and then ask me. Every time. Why characted dead. It's foolish but if you okay with such style of gameplay it's allright ::)

Am in bits ere
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on September 04, 2015, 09:09:02 AM
Can someone give me a brief rundown of highlights for the last month please.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Komrade on September 04, 2015, 09:15:12 AM
Too many tears too much salt, my butthurt folder cannot complain.

Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on September 04, 2015, 09:23:36 AM
Too many tears too much salt, my butthurt folder cannot complain.

Sounds juicy, many faps shall be had.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: twat on September 04, 2015, 11:33:28 AM
THIS guy.. I thought you were dead IRL
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: antohha on September 04, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
Check out my vids.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on September 04, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
Can someone give me a brief rundown of highlights for the last month please.

vtec won season
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
Well, what was that, Matthew? You forgot your ammo or you was AFK? :P Good running skills. Sad you afraid of 1v1 so all possibilities for you running around and wait for PEwPew. Only 2v1, only skill. I knew he coming, so escaped after 1.5 minute running after you.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: cirn0 on September 04, 2015, 01:54:26 PM
Just for giggles I parsed the entire month's PvP logs and they are available for view here.

http://play.fonline-aop.net:4080/test?fullkek=1

Once again click on blue names for summary on top right and try not to be too condescending towards one another. Enjoy!
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 04, 2015, 02:25:53 PM
I don't think it works :(*
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 03:05:03 PM
I hope, battle at Enterprises was recorded. I had pick up somebody else's spears and throw at enemy cause was out of 20 frag grenades.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 04, 2015, 03:42:53 PM
I hope, battle at Enterprises was recorded. I had pick up somebody else's spears and throw at enemy cause was out of 20 frag grenades.
I recorded part of it :V but it was at the very end

also I don't have GM vision but I was able to see both teams.

BTW Vorpal, you're so lucky I was set on aim eyes and didn't realize it or else you would of died :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 04, 2015, 06:44:28 PM
Well, what was that, Matthew? You forgot your ammo or you was AFK? :P Good running skills. Sad you afraid of 1v1 so all possibilities for you running around and wait for PEwPew. Only 2v1, only skill. I knew he coming, so escaped after 1.5 minute running after you.

No offence, you ran from a guy in metal armour and a combat shotgun (with red shells). Git gud.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 07:26:39 PM
I ran from 2nd Lawyer, PewPew. Knew he coming from how you tried play for time instead of simply escape from the map. I wasn't able ran from you because already chased you for 1.5 minute but without voodoo, so you saved your nice shitgun and rare red shells :P
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 04, 2015, 08:07:50 PM
I ran from 2nd Lawyer, PewPew. Knew he coming from how you tried play for time instead of simply escape from the map. I wasn't able ran from you because already chased you for 1.5 minute but without voodoo, so you saved your nice shitgun and rare red shells :P

He wasn't there
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 04, 2015, 08:39:22 PM
Well, I know. There is some references in my previous message to the fact that I know. Are you going to convince me in an imaginary event in which I was running away from you , not you from me? By ignoring parts of my messages, inconvenient to your imagination? ::)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 05, 2015, 04:27:56 AM
Just for giggles I parsed the entire month's PvP logs and they are available for view here.

http://play.fonline-aop.net:4080/test?fullkek=1

Once again click on blue names for summary on top right and try not to be too condescending towards one another. Enjoy!

Should we still multiply things by five ?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 08:05:28 AM
What a butt-kicking at PD 8)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 05, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
Massacre in Enterprise.  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 09:48:10 AM
Swarm 3v2 ;D Horde!
No, honestly, at Enterprises ripper crippled my leg after 10 secs zone become contested. So I become helpless with machete 1200 fire rate and 40 ap cost without AP regen+ (used voodoo instead afterburner cause thought gotta chase people so Ap regen was pretty low with crippled leg and 1 agility).
Another thing - PD. Also 3 lawyers versus 2 Techs, but way more funny. First you spawned on bottom grid, I throw mustard, you returned at Adams and picked another grid. But Hellmoi knew you would and we was there. Honestly, it was so fun for me, when 3 guys ran back at Adams again and I only got 6 spears for range and Hellmoi with m1c on distance versus dsr :D
So, you finally spawned when I searched for more grenades at ammo boxes inside middle building. And battle started. Can't compare with Enterprises even close, where I was ripped by ripper sorta like regular 1v1 not team A against team B. But if you enjoyed I glad to know, because it hurts me too when you dying and asking "why?" :'( You earned some light moments :'( 
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 05, 2015, 11:11:50 AM
Swarm 3v2 ;D Horde!
No, honestly, at Enterprises ripper crippled my leg after 10 secs zone become contested. So I become helpless with machete 1200 fire rate and 40 ap cost without AP regen+ (used voodoo instead afterburner cause thought gotta chase people so Ap regen was pretty low with crippled leg and 1 agility).
Another thing - PD. Also 3 lawyers versus 2 Techs, but way more funny. First you spawned on bottom grid, I throw mustard, you returned at Adams and picked another grid. But Hellmoi knew you would and we was there. Honestly, it was so fun for me, when 3 guys ran back at Adams again and I only got 6 spears for range and Hellmoi with m1c on distance versus dsr :D
So, you finally spawned when I searched for more grenades at ammo boxes inside middle building. And battle started. Can't compare with Enterprises even close, where I was ripped by ripper sorta like regular 1v1 not team A against team B. But if you enjoyed I glad to know, because it hurts me too when you dying and asking "why?" :'( You earned some light moments :'(

Death in Hospital level 2  ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 12:00:59 PM
Yeah I came when saw timer with build for BG. I always wanted to try PKS cause saw how awesome it is on very beginning my AoP experience. Grand Bill King often used it and did a lot of dmg. But without any idea how to survive against 2 sneaks I just relied on supression back at Hospital. THought, it can buy me time so Hellmoi will help somehow. But I died cause dmg not that good as I expect it in close hex. Spread 50 way as it is. And ripper ripped me.
I wasn't surprised, but rerolled on same sneak+ripper as yours for same chances. But instead of it we decided to stay at Tech Enterprises and take it back. We did, while you guys was at Hospital.
10 minutes ago we came to cap it back again, but forced to escape. When timer showed 6 at GE against 4 of us. And this 6 can't show sneakers. Gotta wait for more own online. I really want some more action today ::) 
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 12:23:28 PM
Good action at Maryland.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 01:29:19 PM
PD final score. Not quiet fight itself, so not for PvP screens as I think. Thanks for fight to enemy as well as to allies. First time did 100 shots with scorcher in 1 fight. Isn't true, sry, imagination :D Mostly score earned with scorcher, but also frag nades did good work.
(http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/2/2/screen2015_7674077_18688022.jpg)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 03:14:07 PM
We got enought ppl for PvP, around 6-7, as you saw on timer. How about other side? Will you come to ZC? Just great online, 21. But wait, now 19. Seems it is going to 5 and than 0, because nothing going on.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on September 05, 2015, 05:16:40 PM
If I remember correctly, you lost?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 05, 2015, 05:17:45 PM
What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 05, 2015, 05:45:40 PM
Lawyers doing okay at the moment.

Let's count our chickens.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on September 07, 2015, 06:14:08 AM
messed up a bit editing the video, too lazy to redo >_>
https://youtu.be/Cc_Udd1s96s

0:57 slow mo matrix style npcs hobos?

Sadly but no.
I play with only one char - MsSniper, if she is not in battle than it's not captured. ;)

But you loot for 10, so it's ok, don't be sad
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Combatant on September 08, 2015, 01:28:44 PM
Lawyers will fight today? Seems we got people but nothing to do again without Lawyers. It's all the way every day OR Lawyers got enought OR we do >:(
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 08, 2015, 02:24:47 PM
I know that yesterday, lawyers were dungeoning because they was no one to answer when we started timer. I hope there would be fight today...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on September 30, 2015, 02:41:58 AM
The funny thing is how many lawyers were crying on IRC about bozar, while when they had it, they were actively using it. Just another cry to win.

Didn't say bozar is not op.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 30, 2015, 04:01:45 AM
I think it's funny how many battles V Techs lose before bringing out rare T3.

Good games all round. :)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on September 30, 2015, 04:10:28 AM
Which ones are you talking about? (:
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on September 30, 2015, 05:15:23 AM
I think it's funny how many battles V Techs lose before bringing out rare T3.

Good games all round. :)

Out of courtesy myself, suff, Hellmai and Sniper came to core to get the pvp going when we knew we were outnumbered by 6+ lawyers. If you think I'm going to bring my best weapons you are insane. I bring what weapons are necessary for victory and 4v6 is generally small scale close quarters battle, a bozar has no place in this. The fights we had in Hospital were fun, but none of us lost anything we couldn't replace becasue we knew chances of victory were slim. I believe V-tec would have won those fights without Bozar anyway, you lose 1 person maximum at a time and none of you managed to smoke courier or stalker in Robco. Don't blame a decent gun for the fact you guys panicked and failed to play to your usual high standards.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you stop camping I'll stop roflstomping you.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 30, 2015, 06:16:43 AM
I think it's funny how many battles V Techs lose before bringing out rare T3.

Good games all round. :)

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you stop camping I'll stop roflstomping you.

If we don't camp, you camp. Check every single PvP video in the forums and come back to me.

Fights in hospital were 4v4 and 5v4 and you guys got stomped.

You seem to be talking about your "weapon" quite a lot.

Tehe
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on September 30, 2015, 06:42:20 AM
I think it's funny how many battles V Techs lose before bringing out rare T3.

Good games all round. :)

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you stop camping I'll stop roflstomping you.

If we don't camp, you camp. Check every single PvP video in the forums and come back to me.

Fights in hospital were 4v4 and 5v4 and you guys got stomped.

You seem to be talking about your "weapon" quite a lot.

Tehe

You don't count your sneakers as players then? Leave my Benis out of this.

Also theres a difference between holding position on a street and sitting in a room with three entrances and no windows.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 30, 2015, 06:53:47 AM
Right. So when you camp, "it's not camping" and when lawyers camp, "it horrid camping".

I give up.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on September 30, 2015, 07:22:24 AM
I checked last two videos on the forum. They unfortunately didn't show how did 12 lawyers got into dungeon room with tons of 50% cover and two 1-hex doors, pointing rocket launchers, milkors and MGs with gatlings into them. I suppose they didn't show it because it's pretty boring to look for 30 minutes at this. I checked previous videos and the situation is every time the same: v-tec is in the open space while lawyers are in the map corners behind doors.
Adams school garage / Robco dungeon room / Vtec Enterprise South Parking / Maryland top right corner / Robco left top garage / Robco top right corner. Lawyers are sitting in 1 place for 1+ hour until v-tec opens the door.

So sure lawyers don't camp. They are just taking naps.

It's really funny that you're trying to deny it though. Should maybe you take a look at those vids again? And maybe show where v-tec camps as well.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Count Matthew on September 30, 2015, 07:39:14 AM
The last two vids were of the same battle...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 30, 2015, 08:08:05 AM
Neither factions just stand in the open for the whole battle.
Each side always try to stay in cover or outrange the opponement, then rush when they think they have a good opportunity, not before.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Caboose on September 30, 2015, 09:01:09 AM
Neither factions just stand in the open for the whole battle.
Each side always try to stay in cover or outrange the opponement, then rush when they think they have a good opportunity, not before.

I agree, but there is a difference between doing as you state and sitting in a room with 1 hex doors and no windows.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on September 30, 2015, 10:15:29 AM
A few reminder although.

- When you are the one starting the timer, you are most likely to take the defensive position that will benefit you the most.
- When you are outnumbered or usually outnumbered, you take the habit of worrying more of crowd control, avoiding to face said number all at once. (even when having the number, open battle is often unreliable)
- Lawyer don't pick a room with no window 100% of the fight, even at Robco. (although, that room is very often picked when capturing robco)

As a side note, even if a good defensive position can be pretty effective, it is not wise to stay too long in the same position. It give too much time to enemy to find a way to counter it.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: LeonGruber on December 20, 2015, 10:05:12 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on March 09, 2016, 01:39:51 AM
Lol, niamak, it's epic. I wanna use particle now too.
I see people running, but I guess their dodge isn't good enough to avoid the god of spears rage!
Title: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: BG Sexpert on April 05, 2016, 11:37:13 AM
Music from Undertale  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZbpaewogDo

STALKER is such a QQ idiot.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 05, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Yes, because stating my opinion on an OP weapon definitely makes me a "QQ idiot"

Especially on a server with the same 15-20 players and for some reason scared to share their opinions on weapons...or else some idiot like yourself sexpert claims they're "QQ"

Not enough players to provide feedback, if AoP were as populated as any other FOnline, I'm pretty certain wakizashi wouldn't be touched by sneakers.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Count Matthew on April 05, 2016, 11:15:19 PM
Yes, because stating my opinion on an OP weapon definitely makes me a "QQ idiot"

Especially on a server with the same 15-20 players and for some reason scared to share their opinions on weapons...or else some idiot like yourself sexpert claims they're "QQ"

Not enough players to provide feedback, if AoP were as populated as any other FOnline, I'm pretty certain wakizashi wouldn't be touched by sneakers.

But you keep using illegal weapons Stalker. Don't blame Devs, blame yourself.

Your feedback is not to be trusted.

Queue the silly jokes and what not.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 06, 2016, 12:30:20 AM
But you keep using illegal weapon** Stalker. Don't blame Devs, blame yourself.

Your feedback is not to be trusted.

Prime example of real QQing   ::)

And bitch plz, you act as if I've been using "illegal" weapons all the time I've played. I looted robo hitler legitimately and he had BLOD on him, not my fault I'm the only one who knows how to avoid being concluded and rushed the loot  :D

Anyone else could have looted blod, but most likely they would have stored it away, only to get deleted when wipe comes, just like all your tier 3 and legendary's piggy. or as courier says "gone to the black hole" xD

All this QQing about BLOD only cause I looted, anyone else nobody would have cared...other than piggy  ;D
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Niamak on April 06, 2016, 03:18:11 AM
can't stop fame
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Smalltime on April 06, 2016, 04:26:34 AM
And bitch plz, you act as if I've been using "illegal" weapons all the time I've played. I looted robo hitler legitimately and he had BLOD on him, not my fault I'm the only one who knows how to avoid being concluded and rushed the loot  :D
what? I'm pretty sure that he wasn't carrying a BLOD, I dropped it in the center of the room along with the HPA after he was dead and after people had logged on, most people just ran past it. I grabbed it off of the first robo hitler corpse, back when he was in HPA and fighting back, because everyone ran past it without even looking at it.
That, or there is another BLOD that someone snagged and isn't using.
Edit: There are currently four BLOD on the server, how many are in GM hands I do not know.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Count Matthew on April 06, 2016, 07:29:11 AM
But you keep using illegal weapon** Stalker. Don't blame Devs, blame yourself.

Your feedback is not to be trusted.
All this QQing about BLOD only cause I looted, anyone else nobody would have cared...other than piggy  ;D

Nothing personal Stalker, I'd say the same if it were anyone else using unbalanced, game ruining weapons.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Kurwier on April 06, 2016, 08:10:46 AM
But you keep using illegal weapon** Stalker. Don't blame Devs, blame yourself.

Your feedback is not to be trusted.
All this QQing about BLOD only cause I looted, anyone else nobody would have cared...other than piggy  ;D

Nothing personal Stalker, I'd say the same if it were anyone else using unbalanced, game ruining weapons.

but people using unbalanced wepaons all the time due to jawn porno pre wipe madness weapon proto circle jerking , so what ?
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: John Porno on April 06, 2016, 09:03:40 AM
im afraid that the blod and the gauss minigun were both cirns doing.

I only bombard people with mortars, spore plants and enclave patrols
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Stem Sunders on April 06, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
im afraid that the blod and the gauss minigun were both cirns doing.

I only bombard people with mortars, spore plants and enclave patrols

"Only"


#Cirnstuff
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Kurwier on April 06, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
its ok after seeing the crittable of aop i can confirm "Top Balance".

normal damage bullets have to have some magik behaviour in comparison to other damage projectile types ...

when can we cast magik ?
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: BG Sexpert on April 06, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
Yes, because stating my opinion on an OP weapon definitely makes me a "QQ idiot"

Especially on a server with the same 15-20 players and for some reason scared to share their opinions on weapons...or else some idiot like yourself sexpert claims they're "QQ"

Not enough players to provide feedback, if AoP were as populated as any other FOnline, I'm pretty certain wakizashi wouldn't be touched by sneakers.

Its your incessant whining about a weapon that is due to change, requiring a mechanic that is due to change (both likely removed or changed mechanically completely), on a server that is WIPING in two weeks. It is the very definition of QQ and very showing of a simple minded person.

You completely neglect the fact that Ramon pretty much instantly died when shot, and even applauded when he did. As well you fail to notice the times that Ramon does not crit/bypass and does almost no damage for all his AP.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 06, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
You completely neglect the fact that Ramon pretty much instantly died when shot, and even applauded when he did. As well you fail to notice the times that Ramon does not crit/bypass and does almost no damage for all his AP.

Yes, because killing someone in 2 hits for 400 damage is not OP  ::). Also killing someone with full combat gear (armor, stims, guns, ammo, drugs, epi's) that is worth way more than just a leather jacket and waki blade is completely fair. Ramon can easlily come back in less than 2 minutes cause he doesn't have to worry at all about gear.
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: RazorRamon on April 06, 2016, 02:17:25 PM
Ramon can easlily come back in less than 2 minutes cause he doesn't have to worry at all about gear.

Dont hate the player, hate the game.

Id take more gear but the sneak carryweight system is simply shit
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 06, 2016, 02:24:15 PM
What else is a sneaker gonna take? :D
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: RazorRamon on April 06, 2016, 02:27:51 PM
secondary weapon, marking gun, different nades, spare food, spare drugs, scope
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: BG Sexpert on April 06, 2016, 03:17:59 PM
You completely neglect the fact that Ramon pretty much instantly died when shot, and even applauded when he did. As well you fail to notice the times that Ramon does not crit/bypass and does almost no damage for all his AP.

Yes, because killing someone in 2 hits for 400 damage is not OP  ::). Also killing someone with full combat gear (armor, stims, guns, ammo, drugs, epi's) that is worth way more than just a leather jacket and waki blade is completely fair. Ramon can easlily come back in less than 2 minutes cause he doesn't have to worry at all about gear.

"SNeaky snake ned nerf pls OPOPOPO make my bunghole ouchie"
>ok sneak is now heavily limited by carry weight
    - sneakers can now only carry a few SEC, a weapon and a LIGHT armor

"auahdhghh ouchy ouchy owwww owww my tender bung. Sneaky snaeeks carry so little its not fair!"

The sneak character likely can't even carry your stuff away due to the sneak carry weight malus. Why don't you just head back and pick it up?
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 06, 2016, 04:04:54 PM
secondary weapon, marking gun, different nades, spare food, spare drugs, scope

Fuck dude, you sneaking or being a carry mule  :o

"SNeaky snake ned nerf pls OPOPOPO make my bunghole ouchie"
>ok sneak is now heavily limited by carry weight
    - sneakers can now only carry a few SEC, a weapon and a LIGHT armor

"auahdhghh ouchy ouchy owwww owww my tender bung. Sneaky snaeeks carry so little its not fair!"

The sneak character likely can't even carry your stuff away due to the sneak carry weight malus. Why don't you just head back and pick it up?

Man, you're like Niamak MKII  ::)

Clearly anything I say won't process in your mind
Title: Re: Re: PvP Movies and Screens
Post by: Niamak on April 06, 2016, 05:31:57 PM
Man, you're like Niamak MKII  ::)

Best Forum Warrior EU is here. (https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/30259/1.0)
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: paragon on April 15, 2016, 12:48:00 PM
Edit: There are currently four BLOD on the server, how many are in GM hands I do not know.

I'm honestly interested why is necessary for GMs to spawn any kind of items on live server.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Smalltime on April 15, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
Edit: There are currently four BLOD on the server, how many are in GM hands I do not know.

I'm honestly interested why is necessary for GMs to spawn any kind of items on live server.
Good questions, only thing I've ever spawned for players were taunt grenades at the end of the session. That is also likely the answer to the question, we are so close to the end of the wipe.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: cirn0 on April 15, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
I kind of wanted to see what would happen.
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Kurwier on April 15, 2016, 02:10:19 PM
better ragequit
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 15, 2016, 03:41:16 PM
I kind of wanted to see what would happen.

Piggy released his inner PvP ape so good job :D
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: RazorRamon on April 15, 2016, 04:13:24 PM

"I kind of wanted to see what would happen." - Adolf Hitler, 30th April 1945
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: Teela on April 15, 2016, 05:56:19 PM
Edit: There are currently four BLOD on the server, how many are in GM hands I do not know.

I'm honestly interested why is necessary for GMs to spawn any kind of items on live server.

I know what you did last summer suff...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 15, 2016, 07:47:00 PM

"I kind of wanted to see what would happen." - Adolf Hitler, 30th April 1945

It was a prank obviously

(http://i.imgur.com/Te0Mhy0.jpg)

I know what you did last summer suff...
Track down the addresses of the AoP players he hates? Pretty much everybody
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: naossano on April 16, 2016, 07:19:05 AM
I wonder how he will swarm them irl...
Title: Re: PvP Discussion
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 16, 2016, 12:23:24 PM
Hiring goons of course  :D