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[Myakot]

Doing the math, you will find that fast shoot gives a small bonus in DPS:

Lets count 400 AP (flat, no regeneration involved)
Weapon AP cost of 20 (18 with fast shoot)

No fast shoot: 20 shots (with 1 miss) = total hits 19
Fast shoot: 22.2 shoots (2.2 misses) = total hits 20

The bonus its rather small considering that you have to empty your AP bar four times for an extra hit of 20 AP base cost, but its a bonus after all. Of course you miss the chance for other trait.

Let's also imagine you are pvp-ing and going to thrust a sledgehammer with fast shot, guess how will it go. You save those precious ap, but double your chance to miss, why.

[mmk665]

combat leather jacket and combat leather coat have bonus rate of fire perk. so fast shot will be even better for sneakers.

lets speak about something else: since stealth melee weps need only sneak skill for perks, what about gifted trait? one can't get max weapon skill with gifted, but max sneak will be enough imo.
lets have a look at this:

Small Frame - Gifted
5-8-7-2-10-6-10

or 8-9-7-2-10-2-10

sneak max, HtH rest.

[mAdman]

All this talk of melee builds and no mention of heavy handed?

I would've thought it was a must have.

[Myakot]

It doesn't change weapon damage, or at least it didn't on the launch.
(numbers on the inventory screen were the same,  dealt the same damage).

[PusiteGA]

It doesn't change weapon damage, or at least it didn't on the launch.

What are you kiding me i took havy hand

[mAdman]

It doesn't change weapon damage, or at least it didn't on the launch.
(numbers on the inventory screen were the same,  dealt the same damage).

Really? That seems like a bug then, as doing an extra 20 damage with bare fists is not only next to useless, but nowhere near the tradeoff of 1 agility.

[Myakot]

It doesn't change weapon damage, or at least it didn't on the launch.
(numbers on the inventory screen were the same,  dealt the same damage).

Really? That seems like a bug then, as doing an extra 20 damage with bare fists is not only next to useless, but nowhere near the tradeoff of 1 agility.

Tested just to be sure, I was wrong. (I should've recorded the start of this session ><).
You gain +10 to min and +20 to max with HtH weapons (tested with t1 only).

[Noob Karl]

What you guys think about my sneaker/ hth build?

Special: 5-9-6-1-10-1-10
Traits: bruiser - fast shot (or small frame?)
Tags: small guns - first aid - sneak

It's my first HtH build and need advices.
Is my special and traits ok? Which perks should i take?

mmm no HTH skill on your HTH char? sounds like a fail

[mmk665]

What you guys think about my sneaker/ hth build?

Special: 5-9-6-1-10-1-10
Traits: bruiser - fast shot (or small frame?)
Tags: small guns - first aid - sneak

It's my first HtH build and need advices.
Is my special and traits ok? Which perks should i take?

mmm no HTH skill on your HTH char? sounds like a fail

it's a sneak build actually. just machete & wakizashi for melee. small guns for surprise aimed attacks and silent weapons.

[Noob Karl]

What you guys think about my sneaker/ hth build?

Special: 5-9-6-1-10-1-10
Traits: bruiser - fast shot (or small frame?)
Tags: small guns - first aid - sneak

It's my first HtH build and need advices.
Is my special and traits ok? Which perks should i take?

mmm no HTH skill on your HTH char? sounds like a fail

it's a sneak build actually. just machete & wakizashi for melee. small guns for surprise aimed attacks and silent weapons.

Ok thought it didnt make sense, but do you not need hth skill to do aimed attacks with the wakizashi or machete?
anyway good luck with your char

[mmk665]

i didn't need 'em so far. aimed attacks works perfectly. i can use other HtH weps -like spears- with aimed shot too..
soooooooo..  if HtH skill didn't affect the hit chance, what is it for? just for weapon perks?

[Myakot]

Yes,  it's useless. Those perks are not that great.