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Title: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: Count Matthew on June 17, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
My post is about how good this game is:

Its never had been so balanced, thanks S1man and everyone.

Sneak is sorted - it's a life and death situation.

You can be competitive easily - you can easily be competitive by looting - 6k cap minimum in a core scavenge run.

Combat is dynamic - there is a whole host of options to the player - I can discuss in further detail if required.

It is very fun - combat is not as serious as last season - do as you must. I don't feel that a lost fight is so devastating.

Ramon is shit.

GG :D :D :D
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 17, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
I  think the economy is a little weird, but it allows all players to stay in a fighting spirit - add more pve - add outposts and we are sorted.

I haven't played as much as last season - but it is deffo more fun.

GG
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 17, 2016, 10:47:15 PM
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Komrade on June 18, 2016, 03:47:16 AM
Well I have to agree that posting while drunk can be very fun indeed  8)
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Caboose on June 18, 2016, 05:34:35 AM
10/10 top wine drunk post.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Perteks on June 18, 2016, 06:10:55 AM
being drunk by wine ohohoho
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on June 19, 2016, 11:35:21 PM
10/10 top wine drunk post.

>drunk
>drank only wine

You British are so weak....bitch livers  :D
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Mad Matt on June 20, 2016, 05:47:49 AM
10/10 top wine drunk post.

Try to drink with me, son :D
>drunk
>drank only wine

You British are so weak....bitch livers  :D
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Caboose on June 20, 2016, 07:57:38 AM
10/10 top wine drunk post.

>drunk
>drank only wine

You British are so weak....bitch livers  :D

Says the guy who stills drinks from his moms tit.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 20, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
lol..

I didn't say I had just drank wine! :(

Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Perteks on June 20, 2016, 01:56:02 PM
Yeah he drank water too, only wine is way to powerfull for him
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Stem Sunders on June 20, 2016, 02:40:00 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUG!!!!!!
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 20, 2016, 02:52:17 PM
EatDix
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on June 20, 2016, 10:24:14 PM
10/10 top wine drunk post.

>drunk
>drank only wine

You British are so weak....bitch livers  :D

Says the guy who stills drinks from his moms tit.

Top British insult   ::)


Yeah he drank water too, only wine is way to powerfull for him

LOLOLOL   ;D
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 27, 2016, 04:01:17 PM
best its ever been explains no server population and if there is theres no pvp. rekiderekt, i guess original devs abandoned it alrdy
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on June 27, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
best its ever been explains no server population and if there is theres no pvp. rekiderekt, i guess original devs abandoned it alrdy

Never let a Russian have an influence on dev team.

Paragon :  D.E.D Server
Paragon RQ : Happy server with PvP
S1man with crap changes : D.E.D server

AoP needs some good old fashion harsh American influence....Canadians are too soft  ;D

I still think they should have have went with my sneak changes. Traps would finally have a use, no more sneak paranoia, and everyone's FOnline dream of making sneaks only recon would come true.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 27, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
best its ever been explains no server population and if there is theres no pvp. rekiderekt, i guess original devs abandoned it alrdy

Never let a Russian have an influence on dev team.

Paragon :  D.E.D Server
Paragon RQ : Happy server with PvP
S1man with crap changes : D.E.D server

AoP needs some good old fashion harsh American influence....Canadians are too soft  ;D

I still think they should have have went with my sneak changes. Traps would finally have a use, no more sneak paranoia, and everyone's FOnline dream of making sneaks only recon would come true.

paragon was best whcih could happen to aop, about s1man im not quite sure ... he seems to be serious about helping but at same time hes annyoing as fuck like some real cocksucker.
 the problem is more that the remaining devs from original devteam doesnt follow any guide, changing stuff like seemingly depending on their current mood without paying attention on the original gamedesign idea ... and im not trolling. the only good guy from the devteam ive encountered was lidae. the rest you can get forget about i could go on but i dont give a fuck.
this explains probably also promoting trolls from playerbase as moderators for this forum.

if you read my lines with paying good attention you might be getting the answer to why so much stuff is broken in first place ... better gib whole people access to your secret nab dev sugestion board with famous toxic players in them to discuss weaponbalance which wont be ever perfect to be discussed for a year before even some real changes are made ... great guys you are! the only sad thing about all this is that the original aop gamedesign was pretty awesome and with propper improvements wud have been epic in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfeM6tsn3qE
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Vassal on June 28, 2016, 10:50:41 AM
clever russian guys won't help if the administration itself kills the server, s1man not that person from whom it is possible to expect something suitable for the server
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 28, 2016, 10:55:35 AM
People crying about server that don't contribute to it!

Sod off! :D
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: I love Clochard on June 28, 2016, 12:03:38 PM
People crying about server that don't contribute to it!

Sod off! :D
stfu butterface

You know well that devs do not give a fuck about our opinion.

I offered my help in cotribution and I was ignored. Same for those plonkers Kurwier and Stalker they were completly ignored. Now you get the results, server is dead and devs instead of patching bugs/broken economy/fixing sneak are adding more stupid guns which are almost the same like previous...
too bad paragon left the dev team for me he was the only guy who wanted to improve server
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Weasel on June 28, 2016, 01:07:53 PM
''Developer Corner
In order to improve the game, we regularly ask your opinion.''  ::)
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on June 28, 2016, 01:11:32 PM
People crying about server that don't contribute to it!

Sod off! :D

Yeah, because editing the wiki and making most things that are currently on there (just outdated), posted daily PvP videos, giving my feedback, attempting to get things changed, a decent guy in PvP, posting lots of suggestions to make AoP great, and getting most remaining players agree with my proposed sneak changes is "People crying about server that don't contribute to it!"

Remember back when they had no aim time with pistols and I was sneaking with needler, raping everybody. Gone like this for a while

STALKER : guys, this OP
Devs : ....
Players : ....
Random fuck : It's OP!
Devs & players : OMG CHANGE IT NOW!!!


 ::) ::) ::)

And what have you done? Other than being a bad pleb in PvP? Oh wait, nothing. Meanwhile all S1man's doing is changing numbers on Weapons.fopro and it's "contributing" Anyone can do it if they had access to it.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ppk8DM0.png)

AFAIK only snowcrash (BTW he's retarded) out of 30 players agreed with his shit sneak changes and it was enough to make him change it to his shit way while most of the others wanted it another way.

stfu butterface

You know well that devs do not give a fuck about our opinion.

I offered my help in cotribution and I was ignored. Same for those plonkers Kurwier and Stalker they were completly ignored. Now you get the results, server is dead and devs instead of patching bugs/broken economy/fixing sneak are adding more stupid guns which are almost the same like previous...
too bad paragon left the dev team for me he was the only guy who wanted to improve server

^

AoP wipe could have been better. Should have just add map DLC, new dungeons, balance weapons around, and maybe make everyone restart without adding new factions, all those useless weapons, and sure as hell, none of s1mans sneak changes. And it's funny that s1man doesn't reply because he knows I'm right.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 28, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
wow im suprised about clochards response.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 28, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
wow im suprised about clochards response.

That's PewPew
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 28, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
well he seems to be the only left active player with brain actually
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 28, 2016, 04:57:26 PM
well he seems to be the only left active player with brain actually

Don't rule yourself out..
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: mafiapl on June 28, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
...
Yeah, because editing the wiki and making most things that are currently on there (just outdated), posted daily PvP videos, giving my feedback, attempting to get things changed, a decent guy in PvP, posting lots of suggestions to make AoP great, and getting most remaining players agree with my proposed sneak changes is "People crying about server that don't contribute to it!"
...

Where is that suggestion? Can you point me out to it, i would like to read it and i cannot find it on suggestions section.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: S1mancoder on June 28, 2016, 06:36:10 PM
Where is that suggestion? Can you point me out to it, i would like to read it and i cannot find it on suggestions section.

I think he's talking about this one: http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=3286.0

I read all sneak changes propositions before changing it and STALKER's one seemed not really useful (its partially outdated and overall lacks conceptual depth).

I asked STALKER, Courier, Niamak, Ramon on IRC and Piggy/Clochard/Hellmai in TS on their opinions on sneak changes and STALKER/Courier werent willing to give me any more or less structured feedback so now if I need feedback from dedicated sneaker I ask Niamak/Ramon who gave me quite alot feedback already.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 28, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
Where is that suggestion? Can you point me out to it, i would like to read it and i cannot find it on suggestions section.

I think he's talking about this one: http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=3286.0

I read all sneak changes propositions before changing it and STALKER's one seemed not really useful (its partially outdated and overall lacks conceptual depth).

I asked STALKER, Courier, Niamak, Ramon on IRC and Piggy/Clochard/Hellmai in TS on their opinions on sneak changes and STALKER/Courier werent willing to give me any more or less structured feedback so now if I need feedback from dedicated sneaker I ask Niamak/Ramon who gave me quite alot feedback already.

i dont know what you are talking about, atleast in my case i can say u never asked me personally about my opinion and if you would have , im pretty sure i would have gave you some pretty good answer.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Weasel on June 29, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
I think he's talking about this one: http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=3286.0
I read all sneak changes propositions before changing it and STALKER's one seemed not really useful (its partially outdated and overall lacks conceptual depth).

I asked STALKER, Courier, Niamak, Ramon on IRC and Piggy/Clochard/Hellmai in TS on their opinions on sneak changes and STALKER/Courier werent willing to give me any more or less structured feedback so now if I need feedback from dedicated sneaker I ask Niamak/Ramon who gave me quite alot feedback already.

Okay........First mistake: Asking for RAMON'S opinion, of all available people he is the biggest troll. All he cares for is killing people using OP sneaks, so yeah....DONT listen to him lol.

Secondly, just because 1-2 of your friends want you to do things one way, does not mean the rest of us are okay with it. There was a poll about sneakers....80% want them as Recon, not ninja assasins. Stalker and myself have made very detailed posts about just WHY the sneaks are killing the game. If you fail to understand them.....

Thirdly: ''conceptual depth'' Havent you ever heard that the simpler it is, the better? Why need to overly complicate things? The sneak detection forumla is totally fubar, you base it on people having 130 sight range, when 10 PE gives only 71+16=87 for x8 scope +8? for hawk eyes =95 sight range. Max i ever managed to have. Maybe 103 if i had four eyes, and then im blind on the sides......

Fourthly: Changes like: Sneak detection range +25% and in the same patch war-time bonus from +15% to +40%........I mean...are you TRYING to negate your own changes as soon as you make them? Did you even test it? On my sniper, i can watch a 20 tiles long alley....only way people can shoot me is from straight in front of me.....and sneaks still manage to walk in my face, make a line and all pop-up and insta-kill me.....that's just bullshit.

Fact: only time people are playing and having fun, is when there are no sneakers. People dont even bother to try chassing the sneaks either, they get backstabbed lose a guy and go: Don't bother, it's a sneak you'l never find him.

P.S. Needler is still OP as fuck: insane fire rate, poison, high damages, de-buffed then re-buffed range....
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: S1mancoder on June 29, 2016, 11:56:28 AM
First mistake: Asking for RAMON'S opinion, of all available people he is the biggest troll. All he cares for is killing people using OP sneaks, so yeah....DONT listen to him lol.

He is a dedicated sneak player, who has really huge experience that makes him valuable source of information. Gathering feedback doesnt mean I will do what he think is suitable.

Secondly, just because 1-2 of your friends want you to do things one way, does not mean the rest of us are okay with it

In short time scale I care about opinions of skilled/experienced players in the first place (they're able to judge changes more precisely and foresee what will be gameplay effect), in longer term and bigger scale there might be some more feedback gathering with greater coverage, but it requires at least month of no sneak changes with enough server population.

Thirdly: ''conceptual depth'' Havent you ever heard that the simpler it is, the better?

I mentioned "depth" because stalker's suggestion look like "thoughts on changing sneak" rather than a conceptually finished suggestion.

The sneak detection forumla is totally fubar, you base it on people having 130 sight range

I base it on fact that ppl have maximum of about 130 sightrange. Is that fact incorrect?


Fourthly: Changes like: Sneak detection range +25% and in the same patch war-time bonus from +15% to +40%........I mean...are you TRYING to negate your own changes as soon as you make them?

I would recommend you to think more thouroghly on what changes are bringing. It is all I can say if you dont see difference before/after here.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Weasel on June 29, 2016, 01:08:08 PM
1- Stalker is a dedicated sneaker.....he been playing sneakers for as far as i can remember on every single fonline servers probably since 2238.

2-''I care about opinions of skilled/experienced players in the first place (they're able to judge changes more precisely and foresee what will be gameplay effect)'' Did Ramon foresee the drop in server pop and the general disgust with sneakers? I think not, he simply went: i LIKE to murder people without them being able to fight back, let me!

3-Stalker's sneak ''toughts'' were as detailed as they needed to be: no sneakers in CAs/MAs, no wielding assault rifles and machine guns while sneaking: stealth weapons only. Nerf the said sneak weapons so sneakers can realisticly fight other sneakers, but not pvp apes. And there you have it, sneakers fight their information war amongst themselves, while the fighters fight the other fighters. One team have a sneak and you dont? Well they will know your position movements etc and thus get the advantage. And that's it, that's the role of sneakers.....not insta backstab murder anything you see.

4-Maybe with max PE, max charisma, four eyes a x8 scope and sight range modules + hawk eyes.....but then you only see in a thin stripe in front of you and barely anything on the sides, how the heck are you suposed to find a sneaker that way? You also see nothing behind you and have 250 hp so.... sneaker meal!

5- So instead of seeing a sneak at 20 hex, id see him at 25.....and then add that extra +25% sneak so it goes back to what? 22-23 hex? Big deal.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: RazorRamon on June 29, 2016, 02:07:38 PM
Weasel is probably one of the least intelligent people on the whole forum

and if you consider who else uses it, that's really an accomplishment
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: SnowCrash on June 29, 2016, 02:25:14 PM
5- So instead of seeing a sneak at 20 hex, id see him at 25.....and then add that extra +25% sneak so it goes back to what? 22-23 hex? Big deal.
You clearly dont know how sneak and wartime works… and here you are claiming you know how to solve sneak… (That change was aiming to reduce sight of sneakers and harsher penalty for not being in wartime mode)

And stalker, i haven't agree with most of the changes done of sneak. I was against heavy armors used by sneakers and think that non sneak weapons should have harsher penalties. Sneaks should be mostly limited to leather armors and sneak weapons. (So yeah probably im retarded for not being able to make some idiot like you not understand that)
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Count Matthew on June 29, 2016, 02:43:30 PM
This was meant to be a lovely, kind and cooperative topic.

THANKS GUYS.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: RazorRamon on June 29, 2016, 03:16:46 PM
We need safe space subforum for count matthew
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 29, 2016, 03:38:22 PM
We need safe space subforum for count matthew

with black overlord as admin )))
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Weasel on June 29, 2016, 05:25:53 PM
5- So instead of seeing a sneak at 20 hex, id see him at 25.....and then add that extra +25% sneak so it goes back to what? 22-23 hex? Big deal.
You clearly dont know how sneak and wartime works… and here you are claiming you know how to solve sneak… (That change was aiming to reduce sight of sneakers and harsher penalty for not being in wartime mode)

And stalker, i haven't agree with most of the changes done of sneak. I was against heavy armors used by sneakers and think that non sneak weapons should have harsher penalties. Sneaks should be mostly limited to leather armors and sneak weapons. (So yeah probably im retarded for not being able to make some idiot like you not understand that)

Are you talking to S1man or Ramon?  ??? Cause their are the only ones that believes sneaks should not be limited in their gear.

And go ahead and try to find something wrong with #3:'' no sneakers in CAs/MAs, no wielding assault rifles and machine guns while sneaking: stealth weapons only. Nerf the said sneak weapons so sneakers can realisticly fight other sneakers, but not pvp apes. And there you have it, sneakers fight their information war amongst themselves, while the fighters fight the other fighters. One team have a sneak and you dont? Well they will know your position movements etc and thus get the advantage. And that's it, that's the role of sneakers.....not insta backstab murder anything you see.''

If that happened, there would be fun for everyone and balance between sneaks and fighters. It was like this for ages in Fonline and it always worked, why try to fix what's not broken? Sneakers fight other sneakers to deny the info they would send their team, while trying to stay alive to keep sending info to their own team....Sure they can backstab and finish wounded soldiers if they want, but not head on attack a full health soldier. It's all about doing the smart moves and chosing the right moment etc. Veteran sneakers probably looks at AOP sneaking and lose interest seeing how it require little to no skill/smarts at all.
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: RazorRamon on June 29, 2016, 05:44:13 PM
Veteran sneakers probably looks at AOP sneaking and lose interest seeing how it require little to no skill/smarts at all.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/068/037/1e9.jpg)

Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Weasel on June 29, 2016, 06:10:15 PM
Weasel is probably one of the least intelligent people on the whole forum
and if you consider who else uses it, that's really an accomplishment

Indeed, if i was less inteligent than you it WOULD be an accomplishment.

(You realize you burn your own ass with 3/4 of the things you say right?)

Let me know if you would like more of my great sense of humor!
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: RazorRamon on June 29, 2016, 06:18:43 PM
(You realize you burn your own ass with 3/4 of the things you say right?)

;^]


Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Wipe on June 29, 2016, 06:54:09 PM
Ramon and Weasel in same thread?

...

!!! CATFIGHT !!!
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: RazorRamon on June 29, 2016, 06:56:14 PM
I would gladly settle the dispute in a fight but my opponent is someone that has never played sneak on AoP but assumes he knows everything
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: Wire on June 29, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
http://steamcommunity.com/app/244630/discussions/0/364040166674244101/
Title: Re: Best its ever been
Post by: SnowCrash on June 29, 2016, 09:15:20 PM
And go ahead and try to find something wrong with #3:'' no sneakers in CAs/MAs, no wielding assault rifles and machine guns while sneaking: stealth weapons only. Nerf the said sneak weapons so sneakers can realisticly fight other sneakers, but not pvp apes. And there you have it, sneakers fight their information war amongst themselves, while the fighters fight the other fighters. One team have a sneak and you dont? Well they will know your position movements etc and thus get the advantage. And that's it, that's the role of sneakers.....not insta backstab murder anything you see.''

If that happened, there would be fun for everyone and balance between sneaks and fighters. It was like this for ages in Fonline and it always worked, why try to fix what's not broken? Sneakers fight other sneakers to deny the info they would send their team, while trying to stay alive to keep sending info to their own team....Sure they can backstab and finish wounded soldiers if they want, but not head on attack a full health soldier. It's all about doing the smart moves and chosing the right moment etc. Veteran sneakers probably looks at AOP sneaking and lose interest seeing how it require little to no skill/smarts at all.

I can agree with some of those statements, but not all.
First, I dont think sneak should be only able to fight other sneakers. Sneak weapons should offer different options to be used in PvP fights (lure/disrupt/debuff enemies, finish severely wounded targets, etc)
Second, Yes sneak weapons need to be nerfed/adjusted. But they should be able to fulfill different roles. Some weapons should be good against enemy sneakers, Some weapons should be good to backstab, Some weapons should be good to debuff enemies. So a sneakers must choose to be good in 1 or two PvP situations. Or to be good to scout.
Third. I agree that sneaks should be mostly limited to sneak weapons and leather armors. But i say mostly, not “only limited”. IMO penalties should be much higher for heavy armors and no sneak weapons. But a player should be able to use a steal boy with CA and some rifle if he want. But with a little bonus for doing so. (We can mostly agree that majority/or even all big guns are out of the equation)

Why? The best thing of this server is that was the first (and unique) server that make viable most of the different gameplays styles for PvP. (Melee, big guns, flamer builds, spear thrower, sniper, gunslinger, and so on…) And that was because of the developers ideals of what kind of game they wanted to build. They even have to change lot of the base of fallout and FOnline games and think different approaches to fulfill that purpose. And i like what they are building, and how they don't give up when people only say “that's shit just remove it“. So i support the team when they want to make a secondary skill viable for most of the characters. Even if it takes lot of time to get at a balanced state.
Yeah i know, this sound a lot like zootopia “anyone can be anything” :)

Now i think that the third point is the most controversial and will be the harder to balance.
So if it were to me, i would take out that part and try to balance sneak only with sneak weapons and leather armors at first. Then we can gradually add the other weapons (first pistols, then smg, then sniper rifles..) and armors.
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: Weasel on June 30, 2016, 10:31:49 AM
Right, effects instead of mass-damages would be the way to go imo, as i said it should be about playing smart and chosing the right moment to act. And yes finishing woundeds or ganging up on one pvp should also be possible, but not outright 1v1 them.

''Why? The best thing of this server is that was the first (and unique) server that make viable most of the different gameplays styles for PvP. (Melee, big guns, flamer builds, spear thrower, sniper, gunslinger, and so on…) And that was because of the developers ideals of what kind of game they wanted to build.''

Totally agree with that, but the current problem with sneakers makes it somewhat impossible to trully play as a sniper. The whole concept of long streets and larger maps fields/buildings was so everyone could be of use. When your team advance you can stay behind with sniper, and cover the others while checking for ennemy movements around you, but since sneakers can be anywhere and insta-kill you.....you just stay with the group. Same reason we mostly see toilet control and people camping inside a building....only way to avoid being backstabbed by sneaks.

It also kills all hope for small scale fights/ scavenger fights etc.....It's because of sneaks that we now have the ~zc function.....wich people use to remain invisible on core map. So no more scavenger fights, and nobody will show on map unless they are starting ZC....As a result, bunch of people being bored seeing nothing to do and they leave. Sneakers just seem to defeat the whole purpose of the server right now.

As for sneaking armor penalty......currently you get -30 for bluesuit. And -0 for CA/MA....definatly gotta change lol.
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on July 02, 2016, 08:52:02 PM
I can make a very long post on my thoughts of sneaks and this discussion but I'm but going to waste my time, especially when devs don't care, weasel pretty much said what I would, and server has been dead for a week straight now and counting.

BTW s1man, you never asked me shit, and my sneak proposal is nice and simple, not overhauling everything, making it into something complicated.
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: naossano on July 11, 2016, 09:02:35 PM
Sneak will give their opinion anyway, but you should ask the rest of the server too.

You don t only ask the boss if the salary is good. He will always say it is too much. Same with sneak and nerf.
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on July 11, 2016, 10:21:52 PM
Sneak will give their opinion anyway, but you should ask the rest of the server too.

You don t only ask the boss if the salary is good. He will always say it is too much. Same with sneak and nerf.

I know English isn't your first language but what?
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: RazorRamon on July 12, 2016, 06:37:51 AM
0vs0 is always balanced
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on July 12, 2016, 11:03:36 AM
0vs0 is always balanced
LOLd hard but u are right aop reched its goal the perfect balance. atleast we arent paying the energybill, thank god.
Title: Re: The thread formally known as "best its ever been" (SNEK ARGUMENT)
Post by: Komrade on July 15, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
0vs0 is always balanced

Cant complain about sneak balancing anymore ;)