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Title: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 13, 2014, 11:29:02 PM

I want to play a sniper character who is never seen and gets one hit kills if not two, I know I need high perception, intelligence and luck but how high are we talking? also does anybody know the build Roman is using? Right now my  build is:
S 5
P 6
E 5
C 1
I 9
A 5
L 9

Tags: small guns, first aid and sneak.
Perks: small frame and four eyes

let me know what you think pls!

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 13, 2014, 11:31:21 PM

do I even need that much agility? and should I get the finesse perk?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Myakot on October 14, 2014, 12:00:24 AM

Make PE higher, lower ST (use Weapon Handling, this perk should be nerfed IMO).
You won't need four eyes, since the latest patch sneaking with a rifle is a suicide. If you are building a sneaking-glass-cannon then why the heck are IN and LK are not both 10?

P.S.
With such PE when using sneak you're basically like:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/10582842_550627345082651_2534959143831957986_o.jpg)

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 06:28:40 AM

Sneak sniping is very hard to manage at the moment man. If you walk around with your rifle in hand you lose 15% of your sneak (thats 30 for 200 sneak) and 30% when running (60!) so you basically can never run while sneaking with your rifle, and you have to keep it in your inventory while running around.

Not to mention that holding a rifle with ammo, will currently put you over the weight threshold, which will make secs burn at double the rate (or triple or more).

Plus on top of that sneaking reduces PE by 3 so you will need mentats or a very high natural perception to compensate.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Deathproof on October 14, 2014, 07:27:13 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 13, 2014, 11:29:02 PM

I want to play a sniper character who is never seen and gets one hit kills if not two

Impossible.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:32:17 AM

lol, okay F the sneaking then. I just stick with a sniper.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:37:14 AM

I ended up making a character with the following stats:
S 5
P 7
E 5
C 1
I 9
A 6
L 7

Tag: small guns, first aid and sneak

Perks: four eyes and small frame

Is this good or should I start over again? thank you three for the advice, greatly appreciated ;)

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:39:13 AM

Luck at 9 doesn't make as much of an impact as lower numbers so 9 luck is livable even for a crit character, though I would suggest 10 int and 10 pe.

It is also true that you will never be able to 1 shot someone with a sniper rifle (besides maybe bluesuits, maybe), but 2-4 shots is possible depending.

As for finesse, that is a big NO do not take finesse imo. And in regards to strength, 6 is for heavy snipers and beyond, 5 is the biggest SGs, having 3 st and weapon handling though will make you very vulnerable to KOs and weapon drops.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Myakot on October 14, 2014, 07:40:30 AM

Carefully read what "Weapon Handling" perk does, and consider swapping those 2 ST somewhere else.
LK is needed for you, since it doesn't only give you base crit\aimed crit, but also Crit.Res AND crit. strength (crit-roll). Which basically decides whether or not you'll live.

And also, what's up with the lack of perk-list? If you didn't decide with which to go, this build is not even remotely though out. (Besides just start the game, you'll be able to re-roll later anyway).

Quote

and weapon drops.

Every1 targets head\groin =\. No one aims for hands.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:43:33 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:37:14 AM

I ended up making a character with the following stats:
S 5
P 7
E 5
C 1
I 9
A 6
L 7

Tag: small guns, first aid and sneak

Perks: four eyes and small frame

Is this good or should I start over again? thank you three for the advice, greatly appreciated ;)

IMO drop AG to put luck at 9, int at 10 and pe as high as you can. Then take critical agility as a perk to compensate your low AG.

That is just my opinion, though. To be honest I value bruiser more than small frame as, knockdowns are extremely common and will get you killed frequently, where as a sniper you will often be standing still to regenerate AP anyway. Plus it is an extra special point.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:46:13 AM

To be honest I haven't even leveled up ever nor do I know how tom so, I never really took a look at the perks I could get. Guess I should eh? :P

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:47:44 AM

Quote from: Myakot on October 14, 2014, 07:40:30 AM

Every1 targets head\groin =\. No one aims for hands.

In normal PvP I would agree, but in ZC I get my arms shot at frequently. Big guns seem to get shot in the arms a lot too, but as a sniper I found crit st to be one of the best investments because of the frequency of weapon drops I had, even with 4 st and weapon handling.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:48:30 AM

I should also say I plan on using the M1C as a weapon therefore I require 5 ST, I never knew there was a perk that gave you an extra 2 :P

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:48:38 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:46:13 AM

To be honest I haven't even leveled up ever nor do I know how tom so, I never really took a look at the perks I could get. Guess I should eh? :P

http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=130.0

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:52:46 AM

umm, there are two perks that give me +2 PE, so why does it matter if its at 7 right now?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:54:24 AM

Specifically you will definitely want; Bonus rate of fire, Silent hill death, hawkeyes, bloodthirst.

Then its your choice  for the others but i would suggest choosing between; living anatomy, sharpshooter, psychopath, fast reload. Or some defensive perks like critical agility or strength, adrenaline rush or armor efficiency.

The main point is to make sure your sneak gets to 200 and SG to 250, which can be done with 9 int i think, but it will leave your FA quite low.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:57:04 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:52:46 AM

umm, there are two perks that give me +2 PE, so why does it matter if its at 7 right now?

Hawkeyes is the critical choice here, sharpshooter is good, but hawkeyes is a more important choice IMO.

Hawkeyes = Sight range
Sharpshooter = Very small gun range buff, but shooting people outside of effective range (but still within max range) is easier.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:58:04 AM

Quote from: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 07:54:24 AM

Specifically you will definitely want; Bonus rate of fire, Silent hill death, hawkeyes, bloodthirst.

Then its your choice  for the others but i would suggest choosing between; living anatomy, sharpshooter, psychopath, fast reload. Or some defensive perks like critical agility or strength, adrenaline rush or armor efficiency.

The main point is to make sure your sneak gets to 200 and SG to 250, which can be done with 9 int i think, but it will leave your FA quite low.

I dont think I'll take Silent Hill Death because I do not do melee combat once so ever, unless I should as a sniper?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Myakot on October 14, 2014, 08:00:17 AM

Stop reading the description, goddamnit!
It's an Omage to the Pyramid Head ><, it means nothing gameplay-wise. This perk works for every type of weapon.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:00:28 AM

I should also say that the reason Im choosing sniper is because I only play with one other person and we tend to keep a distance so I thought it would make sense to be a sniper so I could scout out the area without being seen and possibly take out some targets.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:01:26 AM

Quote from: Myakot on October 14, 2014, 08:00:17 AM

Stop reading the description, goddamnit!
It's an Omage to the Pyramid Head ><, it means nothing gameplay-wise. This perk works for every type of weapon.

ah ok, in that case Ill take it then! :D

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:01:42 AM

Silent hill death is not for melees only and is one of the only ways to increase base damage via perks.

You definitely want it as a sniper.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:04:25 AM

So do you all think with the build I currently have, it would be possible to be the best sniper/scout I could possibly be?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:09:34 AM

Luck 7 is too much of a sacrifice man, it needs to be 9 minimum IMO. Intelligence is base crit too so 9 or 10 at least again.

Perception is your choice really, with your current PE (7) and hawkeyes, you will likely have a sight range equal to the m1cs max range which is perfect (though having more is always good as a sniper),

But

-3 PE while stealthing reduces it to 4 which may mean you cannot see targets within m1c range edges, unless you take mentats, which make you extremely squishy (unless you take perks to compensate).

PE, LK and INT are your moneymakers, 9-10 for all of them is what you want to aim for.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:09:34 AM

Luck 7 is too much of a sacrifice man, it needs to be 9 minimum IMO. Intelligence is base crit too so 9 or 10 at least again.

Perception is your choice really, with your current PE (7) and hawkeyes, you will likely have a sight range equal to the m1cs max range which is perfect (though having more is always good as a sniper),

But

-3 PE while stealthing reduces it to 4 which may mean you cannot see targets within m1c range edges, unless you take mentats, which make you extremely squishy (unless you take perks to compensate).

PE, LK and INT are your moneymakers, 9-10 for all of them is what you want to aim for.

What do you think is the minimum for agility and endurance? also what trait should I take with bruiser?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:18:30 AM

what if I chose the trait gifted and just got skill points for sneak, small guns and first aid as a level up?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Deathproof on October 14, 2014, 08:19:45 AM

You can go with LK & INT & PE 8, while adding hawkeyes to have more sight and living anatomy for bit more crits (but living anatomy unnecessary imo), this would allow you add stats into other special. If you're planing to use only sniper weapons and no other, than you're making kind of glass cannon build, really easy to die when people come near you but owning on distance (there you should go with higher LK&INT which will probably make you use less AG/ST which will make you easy to drop weapons and be shot to the floor). You won't really always be in opened spaces (since there aren't that many people playing so you can just pick a spot and ambush, also you'll have to chase your target, nobody will wait till you shoot him 2-3 times with sniper) thats why I suggest keeping them at 8, so you can still be viable with a handgun (or some rifle) for close space combat, while investing some points into defensive abilities to sustain some damage. Also then you could use sneak with handguns or sneak weapons (needler,wazikashi) to ambush inside buildings, while playing regularly as sniper.

Gifted sucks (because you'll either invest all points you get to gun to make it to 225 or in some other skill, impossible to raise 2 especially 3 skills with gifted on useful level), unless its highly specialized build, which is waste in game of such diversity.You can always go with traps instead of sneak, put loot on the floor, put traps, wait till the guys cripples himself, finish with headshot.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:23:50 AM

Well if you take 4 eyes you will make your sight range better while holding your sniper rifle, but as I said, currently standing or moving with a sniper rifle in hands basically destroys your ability to sneak effectively (even with 200 sneak people will spot you from really far away while running with a rifle). So I don't know if it is the best choice.

If you are scrounging for stat points I would say bruiser and small frame, but if you take small frame you will want to put your AG at 3 minimum to offset the knockdowns, and again, take critical agility as a perk to compensate.

Endurance you really don't want to take below 4 in any case as the effective health lost is far more than the health gained by taking it above 5.

Charisma is also very powerful in AOP if you are in a squad, but that is your choice too.

5 9 4 1 9 1 9

That is a 38 point build that I would use as a skeleton if you take bruiser and small frame you will have 5 points more to add to that as you wish, dumping all 5 into agility could prove useful, but spreading them around will be just as effective.

All my opinion again, up to you whether you take it seriously :)

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:25:08 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:18:30 AM

what if I chose the trait gifted and just got skill points for sneak, small guns and first aid as a level up?

NOOOOO

Do that and you won't be able to get your skills high enough to be A. an effective sneaker and B. an effective sniper. You want to be both, so gifted is a nono.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:27:28 AM

hmm, so I would have to choose between either a sneak build or a sniper build? jeeze I think I may just switch to a sneak build just so that I can scout out an area before my friend enters it, but I want the M1C so badly. God dang it I can't choose >.<

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:33:50 AM

Quote from: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:23:50 AM

currently standing or moving with a sniper rifle in hands basically destroys your ability to sneak effectively (even with 200 sneak people will spot you from really far away while running with a rifle).

what if I wanted to sneak around without a weapon as I plan my attack (maybe set some traps) and then go into cover go out of sneak and then pull out my sniper and take my enemies out? would that work?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:34:04 AM

Something to consider;

Leather jacket variant boost your stealth by 25 flat, so STANDING with a sniper rifle at 200 sneak only puts you at -5 theoretically.

What I have tried on a few occasions, is taking light pistol with 1 or 2 clips in hand, wearing a leather jacket variant and leaving a sniper in my bag.

You run to your decided location (ZC or whatever) with your pistol out, only fighting if forced to. Then find a perfect spot to overwatch, stand still and pull out your sniper, from there, you can pop mentats to remove the sneak vision malus and do your job.

Just make sure you put your rifle back into your pack before you go scouting or changing positions.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:37:54 AM

that will work with me! btw I dont do ZC all I do is scavenge, but I think I can do what you said. Maybe sneak from house to house as I loot, then when I spot some enemies ill find a spot and do my job! Thanks for the help :D

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 14, 2014, 08:38:35 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 07:37:14 AM

I ended up making a character with the following stats:
S 5
P 7
E 5
C 1
I 9
A 6
L 7

Tag: small guns, first aid and sneak

Perks: four eyes and small frame

Is this good or should I start over again? thank you three for the advice, greatly appreciated ;)

I suggest don't take small frame and take bruiser instead. Remove all AG and put in LK and endurance. (At least 8 end to end up with 320 HP)

Don't bother with sneak, just take doctor and try getting 150, also invest all skill points to 250 sg so you have Max chance to hit and able to use dsr's and other weapons.

Or if you want to be OP with leadership buffs (more critical chance,more bleed,more sight range) I can suggest you a build.

Also if you do make sneak and fight another sniper,expect an armor bypass if he shoots you, also you get -3 pe while sneaking and stock up on small cells and stealth boys.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:41:23 AM

Firing the m1c will break stealth so you will likely need to reposition after 1-3 shots to restealth.

Your optimal weight while sneaking is currently 9, going over 9 (to 10) will double the rate of energy consumption and over 14 (to 15) will triple it, each 5 beyond that multiplies it further.

So in essence the max you ever want to be carrying is 14 (unless you are looting and returning to base).

You may want to give spare energy cells to a friend to carry for you, or drop them somewhere for easy grabbing.

Sneak management is currently quite difficult, but it is very much worth the hassle IMO. If only they maluses were scaled back a bit ;)

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:43:55 AM

Stalkers suggestion is something you should consider also, as I stated managing sneak currently is very annoying at times.

Squad buffs from charisma and leadership are very powerful currently. And being a tank sniper is very strong.

But if you consider that path, definitely go big gun snipers and rock an AS50 or DRS.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 14, 2014, 08:47:32 AM

Quote from: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:43:55 AM

Stalkers suggestion is something you should consider also, as I stated managing sneak currently is very annoying at times.

Squad buffs from charisma and leadership are very powerful currently. And being a tank sniper is very strong.

But if you consider that path, definitely go big gun snipers and rock an AS50 or DRS.

dsr's are mostly for ZC, if you take one solo looting expect to die (cause deploying and Guy can run in building)

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Niamak on October 14, 2014, 08:47:58 AM

yolo build (https://d0bd9e73174af1007d07c3350da350a46d517274.googledrive.com/host/0BwKvNDBh2sircWRjcU1tcDY2RTA/#n=Unnamed&l=24&s%5B%5D=3&s%5B%5D=10&s%5B%5D=1&s%5B%5D=10&s%5B%5D=6&s%5B%5D=1&s%5B%5D=8&sp=0&is%5B%5D=328&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=179&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&p%5B%5D=12&p%5B%5D=17&p%5B%5D=18&p%5B%5D=19&p%5B%5D=30&p%5B%5D=32&tt%5B%5D=8&tt%5B%5D=10&tp%5B%5D=0&tp%5B%5D=1&tp%5B%5D=2&tp%5B%5D=3&tp%5B%5D=4&tp%5B%5D=5&tp%5B%5D=6&tp%5B%5D=7&ts%5B%5D=0&ts%5B%5D=6&ts%5B%5D=8)

Can swap 10 CH for 10 AG if you hate ZC.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:49:40 AM

Quote from: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 14, 2014, 08:47:32 AM

Quote from: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:43:55 AM

Stalkers suggestion is something you should consider also, as I stated managing sneak currently is very annoying at times.

Squad buffs from charisma and leadership are very powerful currently. And being a tank sniper is very strong.

But if you consider that path, definitely go big gun snipers and rock an AS50 or DRS.

dsr's are mostly for ZC, if you take one solo looting expect to die (cause deploying and Guy can run in building)

Definitely agreed there. :)

Though a backup PKS if you have big guns can take care of those on the move situations too.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:50:27 AM

okay, well leadership buffs wont affect me cuz im only rollin with one other person (not all the time though, mostly just me) and I decided to keep my current character just because I can't think of a good name for a new one.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:51:56 AM

also what would be the optimal looting/scavenging build?

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: Niamak on October 14, 2014, 08:53:03 AM

if you are solo going for 1v1, you don't want to use sniper rifles...

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 08:55:24 AM

Do new characters start with rerolls?

If so use that if you wish to alter your build, via this post; http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=1651.0

luck, int and pe 9-10 if you are dumping ch and rolling solo or in couples.
 
PE helps you detect other sneakers too, same with watchtower, you might find as a sneak sniper your worst enemy will be straight up sneak CQCers, so having defense against them is important.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on October 14, 2014, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: Niamak on October 14, 2014, 08:47:58 AM

yolo build (https://d0bd9e73174af1007d07c3350da350a46d517274.googledrive.com/host/0BwKvNDBh2sircWRjcU1tcDY2RTA/#n=Unnamed&l=24&s%5B%5D=3&s%5B%5D=10&s%5B%5D=1&s%5B%5D=10&s%5B%5D=6&s%5B%5D=1&s%5B%5D=8&sp=0&is%5B%5D=328&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=179&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&is%5B%5D=0&p%5B%5D=12&p%5B%5D=17&p%5B%5D=18&p%5B%5D=19&p%5B%5D=30&p%5B%5D=32&tt%5B%5D=8&tt%5B%5D=10&tp%5B%5D=0&tp%5B%5D=1&tp%5B%5D=2&tp%5B%5D=3&tp%5B%5D=4&tp%5B%5D=5&tp%5B%5D=6&tp%5B%5D=7&ts%5B%5D=0&ts%5B%5D=6&ts%5B%5D=8)

Can swap 10 CH for 10 AG if you hate ZC.

your build sucks mine is
5
4
1
10
10
1
10

Bruiser/four eyes, then more sight range, more critical chance, and something else as buffs
Sg/bg,  doctor, leadership

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 09:02:04 AM

1 endurance!?

Break his legs quick! ;)

Nah u could just get crit endurance leader buff and be fine lol.

Title: Re: What is the best sniper/sneak build possible?
Post by: mAdman on October 14, 2014, 09:33:52 AM

Quote from: Matulaak on October 14, 2014, 08:51:56 AM

also what would be the optimal looting/scavenging build?

I would've said a tough sneaker, but if you are looting you will burn through SECs quicker than any loot will compensate you for economically.

So instead I would go an outright tank;

10 5 10 1 1 10 10

Gifted, fast metabolism (or skilled instead of fast metab if you want some kind of skill)

Toughness, adrenaline rush, Critical ST, Critical AG, Critical EN, Dodger, Armor efficiency, Man of Steel.

Dump all skill points into melee IMO as it is cheap and naturally high damage but you could go SG (with shotguns) too. And just take a leather jacket (or CLJ or CLC) a couple of voodoo and your favorite weapon.

This is all purely for looting gear and getting away, not at all for fighting properly, just getting away and defending yourself.