FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix
Miscellaneous section => Wiki creation => Topic started by: Myakot on September 11, 2014, 01:29:20 AM
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http://fonline.ru/wikien/index.php?title=Perks
As an example of our past work. Would it be better if I would try to make something similar?
The problem is, to me it looks not that great that there is a whole page like this: http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Man_of_Steel
I'm sorry that I'm talking shit about someone's hard-work, but still.
P.s.
Also is there a page anywhere with lvl requirements of the perks? It'd help doing that thing I'm asking about above much easier ^^
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Agreed.
We could do screenshots on each level to figure out lvl req if have no time to spare info on it currently.
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At first I thought, mixing weapons perks, item perks, and level up perks in one page? Dafuq.
But admiral zombie said he's going to do a table for perks which is the same thing as bringing them to one page.
Also I'm going to merge energy rifles and pistols/smgs and call it energy weapons.
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How about uniting all SPECIAL pages to one?
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How about uniting all SPECIAL pages to one?
Will do in due time, mb tomorrow. I'll probably also start on item perks tables.
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How about making tables for weapons?
Columns can be weapon name and picture, damage and modes, ammo, tier and crafting recipe and traits
Also I'm making the throwing weapons, I just get distracted by ingame :p
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It is a great idea to regroup very small pages in bigger one.
We currently have a lot of small pages ( Something like 100 pages shorter than a tweet ) and it's not very user-friendly.
To add to this most of these pages are dead-end ( you have no other link to continue navigation ).
If will soon add some script that will apply on large table to put line in different colors ( you now, even & odd ) and increase readability of this kind of pages. ( So do not loose too much time founding right color )
Please be carefull and use wiki tools when deleting a page ; you have to be sure no other page link to this one to avoid dead-link. I do not know if you have access to "Special pages" of the wiki to see that kind of things. Please pm me if not.
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How about uniting all SPECIAL pages to one?
http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:SPECIAL
So eh, how about that? Shall I change something?
How about making tables for weapons?
Columns can be weapon name and picture, damage and modes, ammo, tier and crafting recipe and traits
I'll be on it today, at least I'll start making something like that.
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Do we need small pages like "Strength" at all?
I didn't check it yet, but it should be possible to link to an URL anchor at the wiki?
Of course would have to relink all pages currently having a link to those lonely SPECIAL pages..
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Hep.
I will take care of this (update the links ).
I do not know if you have access to the wiki tools allowing to check links between pages..
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About S.P.E.C.I.A.L :
- Small update of SPECIAL page (visual not content)
- All wiki links related to SPECIAL now links to the corresponding paragraph of the SPECIAL page
- Strenght page, Perception page, Endurance page, Charisma page, Intelligence page, Agility page and Lucky page are deleted
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Thanks a lot Ender, I appreciate it.
Will work on making a weapon table soon enough, I hope ^^.
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No problem.
For the weapons I think a big table could help but I my opinion individual pages should still exist as there is the ingredients for crafting, ect.. on it. Do you agree ?
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Totally, "detailed" information should not be in the table, otherwise that wiki page will get overloaded.
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Ok so we keep individual pages ( great ! All of them have a "Strenght required" field with a link that I just update for each weapon so It will hurt me to delete all of these pages ;o )
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http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Factions
I find information in the Category page hardly accessible, do you think I should dedicate the page for the information out of the category page?
(I suggest to dedicate this thread for such questions in future and I renamed it)
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So something like this table for weapons?: http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Drugs
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So something like this table for weapons?: http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Drugs
yea something like this
also center the pictures by typing <center>[text here]</center>
I did it for you
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I looked over all perks and traits pages and made sure they were tabled up and lists removed where appropriate. Looks like everything's pretty close to tidied up there. I've begun an exhaustive process of tabling weapons. All the information is important, but I've decided to focus on the 5 following parameters where appropriate: strength required, range, damage, ap cost, reload cost. Ammunition barely missed the cut as all the others were just barely more important at a glance. A short legend will follow, since certain things will be abbreviated and certain liberties are taken. In order to fully properly compare two weapons, you'll have to really look at both and consider modes and their different costs and effects.
As such, I tried to pick the most basic means of attack. For Big Guns that require deploying, the attack cost after deploying is shown. Bleed values aren't taken into consideration, though notation will be made where appropriate. For instance, the category of Flamers, Launchers, etc in Big Guns could be prefaced that all explosions cause knockbacks and Sniper Rifles in Small Guns could be prefaced that they cause bleed. I've done most of the work on everything but Small Guns. Further editing will be required, but when I'm done it should be pretty indicative of what's missing information while providing in my opinion the most relevant information.
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I'm afraid we need to add "Bullets per Full Auto" and "Bullets per Burst" values to weapons... paaaain.
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Shhh... let it be an easter-egg! It's actually not that painfull ^^. It'd be painfull to look at, for sure, as you will have to create a separate table for just that (otherwise it'd be ugly as hell itself).
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So if I do that, I'll break enemies eyes and will help the wiki in the same time? Challenge accepted.
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Maybe make an additional section in weapons or a special mention for sneak weapons because people are still confused if hth skill is needed for wakizashi and machete...
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http://fonline-aop.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sneak_weapons
Done. Did I forget any weapon?
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Lol. Well, I've since scrapped everything after reading some of the comments here, I appreciate the inspiration. I agree the tables need more information, so I've began an even bigger task. Wikitables are awesome, but I'm much more fluent in what they're making easier to accomplish and doing in the background anyways. As an example, see attachment. I thought about adding Tier to the table somewhere. I would've loved to have had the weapon graphic, but I think this should prove more than adequate. Thoughts?
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This looks really nice (change the colour, I always forgot to change the old one ^^)
Great job.
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Great job. I didnt understand from the start why people don't want to put all info in the tables.
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Please STOP USING CUSTOM COLORS.
You should NEVER set custom color in the code of the page.
How will we do the day we update the design of the website ?
If you need I can add some classes to the css to allow you more customization but having color hardcoded in html code is a very bad idea.
By the way, please also use the wiki syntax for table and not create html table directly ;-)
If someone has difficulties to edit the wiki, feel free to pm me with questions and I will answer you precisely.
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Please STOP USING CUSTOM COLORS.
You should NEVER set custom color in the code of the page.
How will we do the day we update the design of the website ?
If you need I can add some classes to the css to allow you more customization but having color hardcoded in html code is a very bad idea.
By the way, please also use the wiki syntax for table and not create html table directly ;-)
If someone has difficulties to edit the wiki, feel free to pm me with questions and I will answer you precisely.
For one, the class is extremely easy to set. "Wikitable" is all that needs to be put and it automatically skins to the page.
For two, there's no difference between
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and <tr.><td.><./td><./tr>
To the browser it's exactly the same thing. If you'd really like to be bothered when I'm done, you can rewrite the whole thing in wiki syntax if you'd like. I haven't seen where it's particularly made it easier on anyone anyhow, it's there in case you have no idea what you're doing. As I said, there's no offense intended, but if you can't be bothered to do it yourself please don't tell me how to do it. Especially so considering I've already invested several hours in the first project for weapon tables (which was then scrapped) and now I've made it through half the catalog or more. I feel this is a much more eloquent solution, but I can't help but feel like if you can't look at a simple table and figure out what you need to replace then you shouldn't be messing with it anyways. :)
I appreciate the direction, but again understand I've already started work and completed much of it. At what point of a project do you figure templating out? Yes, that'd basically mean I'd have to start over to say the same thing again which is just being used similar BBCode to be translated to what I'm doing anyways. Let's not forget, I could've nearly done a whole category of weapons in the time I've taken to respond to this.
P.S., it doesn't matter what colorizing someone may do. Simply attaching class="Wikitable" forces it regardless of what's inside of it. For the record, though, that does look pretty atrocious after you look at it for a while. It'd be nice if you'd tweak the main CSS files towhere there wasn't quite such a significant difference between a link and text. Seems kind of odd having Oswald right there with Helvetica to begin with, I don't see the need for such a large increase.
P.P.S., Again, I'm not trying to be a dick. I've put a lot of hard work into what I'm doing and willingly so. If you want people to follow your guiding, take initiative and make some template files. It's ridiculous to either have to scheme behind you (AKA figure out how you accomplished what you have) or copy/paste everything over which, to me, is as tedious or more as editing a table. Either that, y'know, or pay me. Then I'll redo it every day if I need to. Sorry if I'm trying too hard to make my point, but the Wiki's in a state of constant updating and I think your time would be much better spent elsewhere especially if the only gripe you have is syntax. Also, it would be different if there were any kind of management. The Wiki requires folks that'll step up, go in the game, pull out the data, and put it up. I don't mind doing that, but I've done made a revision to this once and I've posted about doing it for several days.
Not just that, but:
No problem.
For the weapons I think a big table could help but I my opinion individual pages should still exist as there is the ingredients for crafting, ect.. on it. Do you agree ?
Been talking weapon table for over two weeks now. That would've been the place and point to specify. :) Thanks for understanding.
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I did not ask anyone to redo something. Just to keep that in mind for future content creation.
It was a general comment and not something specific about the content you added.
I know how time consuming wiki content creation can be and I thanks (?) multiple time to contributors.
I will made some tweak to the wiki css to improve link and table readability. It should be there at the end of the week with some other minor modifications.
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I did not ask anyone to redo something. Just to keep that in mind for future content creation.
It was a general comment and not something specific about the content you added.
I know how time consuming wiki content creation can be and I thanks (?) multiple time to contributors.
I will made some tweak to the wiki css to improve link and table readability. It should be there at the end of the week with some other minor modifications.
Sorry, I tried not to be too heavy handed. I thought about editing it afterwards, but I really didn't want to abandon the work in frustration :). I apologize, I'm usually genuinely a very nice guy.
Colorizing is a bitch to begin with. You really can't please everyone. I'll try to think of any subtle changes if you wouldn't mind taking another look at it. It looks clean, I'm not sure exactly how you'd go about improving it but I'll think on it and let you know if I come to anything conclusive.
I gave yesterday to myself as a breathe of sorts. Again, apologies if I went overboard there brother, I just wanted to let you know how I was honestly feeling. I'm borderline antisocial sometimes so I'm quick to just cut ties and say, "eff that," so I just wanted to explain as well as I could instead of, say, skimming it, assuming a bunch of stuff, and disappearing. I'm really looking forward to helping get things to a well-documented state towherever editing will only be required at Changelogs or discretion if you have spare time and an idea of how to improve something existing.
Everyone keep up the good work! I'm really liking what I've been seeing.
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No offense taken Graves, it just show how you are passionate about this so that's great for AoP no ? ;-)
It's not always easy to give own opinion on the web ; should not be take as troll or provocation, reading/writing context can modify meaning of a message, not using first language, people from different culture have different way of thinking,...
I try to keep that in mind when surfing and if a find someone to be a jackass (?) a will simply not answer him ( You know, not enough time to allow loosing it for that ). So as I answer you back you do not have to worry ;-)
I hope you will continue your great work on the wiki and get more information to improve overall quality. I do not know exactly what is the remaining work left on the wiki neither the next changelogs releases dates, contents or size ( I just take care of website/wiki/forum ) so I can't tell how much work will need the wiki in a day to day base once it will be fully complete.
For the wiki improvement I would like to modify the links ( not very readable / visible ), the table ( header of the table, alternate color for row to improve reading, all table of the wiki identical ).
I don't know if this message answers all you wanted ? ( English is not my first langage and I have sometime trouble to understand some sentences ;o )