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[Poker-Jack]

SUGGESTION AT BOTTOM


Friendly Players shooting OTHER friendly players, just for being around during town control...

With current system in place, a larger squad can wipe out any other smaller friendly squad without losing reputation. See below:





Windrunner and her group here seem to have no problem killing new friendly players for no reason... or rather (for being bluesuit during ZC)

I die because I defend the new player of course (Of course this is a logical thing to do apparently)

SUGGESTION:

NPC in base that will take votes to kick a volatile member of the faction. Enough votes, and maybe that person goes back down to 0 reputation? (This will only hurt everyone but the richest of players, so even this is only a temporary "fix" )

[Halser]

I think there should be much harsher penalties for team killing deliberately and without good reason. The only reason to team kill -ever- is if someone is looting a team member, or is a known team killer. Otherwise its just trolling and it hurts the faction.

[Poker-Jack]

I think there should be much harsher penalties for team killing deliberately and without good reason. The only reason to team kill -ever- is if someone is looting a team member, or is a known team killer. Otherwise its just trolling and it hurts the faction.

Being reset to 0 reputation would hurt all but the richest of faction members, so even this I don't think is a good response.


But here we see a new player being gunned down for no reason, Do we really need to make the game HARDER for players who are new... and make it harder because of SHIT TEAMMATES like Wind Runner?

[wojciech]

LOL if You re useless on ZC and only looting Your teammates dont cry that they are killing You.

I will kill everyone who will loot my teammate.

[Poker-Jack]

LOL if You re useless on ZC and only looting Your teammates dont cry that they are killing You.

I will kill everyone who will loot my teammate.

No one looted anyone. Not sure how you're trying to insinuate anything of the sort.

[John Porno]

why is wojciech being reported for raising a valid point? If anyone goes to the core, especially to zone control, in bluesuit or sandrobes, he clearly is just a vulture. This is why we have even left that gap of 50score until reputation penalitues apply, so you can get rid of looters (which could be alts of the enemy faction as well)

[Poker-Jack]

why is wojciech being reported for raising a valid point? If anyone goes to the core, especially to zone control, in bluesuit or sandrobes, he clearly is just a vulture. This is why we have even left that gap of 50score until reputation penalitues apply, so you can get rid of looters (which could be alts of the enemy faction as well)

Because nothing of the sort happened in the scenario I posted. It was irrelevant nonsense that had nothing to do with PURPOSEFUL TKs from a large squad who take pot shots to eliminate random new players. I was not a vulture, I didn't touch ANY body, and I was killed... why was I killed by fellow lawyers? And why do they suffer no repercussion?

[Nunn]

There should be serious repercussions for killing a teammate without a valid reason, being new or undergeared is not a valid reason.
If they start looting friendly corpses then yeah take action but the mere presence of them is not a crime.

[naossano]

Unless they are scouting for the ennemy.

[Spore Plants]

Amazing how everyone comes out of the woodwork to defend Windrunner. It's clear that he and his group were gunning down anyone not in their circle.

[Nunn]

Unless they are scouting for the ennemy.

And how do you know if they are or not? killing everyone in case one is a spy isn't good for a faction..

[Ender]

I think killing member of our faction really sucks and break some very cool aspect of the aop gameplay.
We are not stranger ; we are all Lawyers ! ( or bb , v-tech, ... )

This should be heavily punished by loosing reputation ( I can't understand that someone killing faction member can still stay a trusted member of the faction that have access to the hearth for example - it does not fit with the background ), by jail time, and by not winning any award for the current zc if any ( Don't feel right to be rewarded by the faction if you kill your mates )

What if someone take your loot ?
Yes it's not very cool but... you are dead in the middle of a city ! Isn't it better that a member of our faction take the loot and not member from the opposite faction ? I would like to say what old player told me when I started to play fonline ; wasteland is harsh ; it's true for everyone. ( I like very much the idea of an other topic that is : when you are dead only member of your squad can loot you until you respawn timer is over and after everyone can loot you )

What if it is an ennemy cheating / spying ?
Well it can always happen.. But it's not a valid excuse to kill all bluesuit. It's more something that a gm will handle I think ( like alt , etc.. as it is game abuse and not gameplay )

Btw, just my personal opinion so stay cool ok ;-)

[JokeMaster]

I was a part of the group so let me clear something out.
First of all there were 3 or 4 full squads of lawyers gathered for 1 fu**ing good reason, as we tend to have some offensive players and we don't cooperate so well. But there we were, almost  30 people gathered to capture the entire town. And then one moment come in Jack and his friend. Ok 2 people more, want to get some xp for ZC, ok no problem. But the bluesuit starts running into buildings oppening doors etc, and comes back to us. Buildings are open, so if the enemy would be looking on the map they could clarify our position and start an attack. Jack started a chitty-chat how we should involve noobs, teach them etc. Ok he made a good point but the bluesuit in that time was roaming free. So he got a shot between the eyes. Some people joined the "warning shots" and the bluesuit ended up dead. Jack started shouting arguing with Wind, starting another debate about morality, not shooting friendlies, and cursing on us. He also got shot, and we left those 2 corpses to rot, we touched none of their stuff and hurried further for ZC, but he was so mad that he started a war on the faction chat.
And true yes i shot him, becouse after like 5-10 minutes of his blabbering i got angry.
_{And yay my first PK!}

[naossano]

Ender >
That's why those guy could only be shot on ZC when scouting/looting become an issue on a larger scale. Outside of ZC you lose reputation for shooting low level passive blue suits.

[Poker-Jack]

I was a part of the group so let me clear something out.

Not only were you wrong on multiple facets of this story... but what exactly did you clear up about why you killed 2 teammates for no reason?

Did your story justify ANYTHING? Just want to make sure... I'm confused.

[Nunn]

Its a shame that reputation is so easy to come by, if it wasn't for the Relic donations then Player Killing would be less likely by anyone who wants to get places.

[JokeMaster]

Then jack post the log of you arguing with Wind, please ho ahead and show us what you wrote.

[Daro]

I also consider blue suits as a big issue. You shouldn't be able to enter active ZC if you don't have tier 2 armor in good condition and tier 2 weapon or some score (if you want to go back and loot yourself after death). If faction start ZC blue suits from this faction should be kicked on WM.

Blue suits crippling ZC fun. Most of blue suits are dirty looters, scouts or score donators.

[Myakot]

Ender ->
It's so fun when you are winning ZC and there is some bluesuit hoping around looting your teammates, and you can't stop him, then he just leaves and cripples his own faction.

[Ender]

I do not think it is a good solution. Experencied players are not more important than new one. Action of some player should not broke the game for others.

Can we try to forget about this specific incident and try to think at larger scale ? What can we do to avoid this shity situation in the future ?

Maybe take more time to explain the specific gameplay of zone control to bluesuit ? ( You know it's not obvious for new player that we do not open door in zone control, that we stay hidden , that we don't run & loot, ... ). I think a player that is well integrated (fit ?) in the faction will not act like a asshole. It is very very hard for new player to take active participation in this game as there is a lot of old players and old team coming with their own history and not very patient with newbies. Don't forget you all start this game once... Even if it was 6 years ago.

I still see some paradox when we tell a new player that loose gear that "Wasteland is harsh" ( Yeah, I heard that so many times ) but If a experienced player loose it's gear it's not normal anymore ?!? I do not think experienced player will take more time to get new equipment ( good gear and tier 2 weapons ) than new player ( shity gear & tier 1 weapons ) so for me the death penality is the same for all at the end. Being able to get it's loot back should be lucky thing not the default one. You should be happy when you succeed it instead of being hangry if failed.

In all case killing is not the solution and should always be hardly punished. Maybe a vote on the faction to indicate bad players could help ( they will go to jail if their enter faction's again or something like that ) and could solve this kind of situation.

Again, just my personal opinion.

@Maykot : We post on the same time so to answer you I quote my post : "Being able to get it's loot back should be lucky thing not the default one. You should be happy when you succeed it instead of being hangry if failed." I always go to zone control if I'm available and try to organize some if needed ; I never get my loot back once I'm dead during zone control ( Loosing both good armor and tier 2 weapons ) and that's simply the game ! Wasteland is Harsh ;-)