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Game improvements => Suggestions => Topic started by: Count Matthew on May 29, 2016, 08:02:24 AM

Title: Sneak Boys
Post by: Count Matthew on May 29, 2016, 08:02:24 AM
They are far too cheap - make them around 500 caps each.

But..

Do add them to rare loot piles etc
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on May 29, 2016, 08:21:16 AM
no
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 29, 2016, 09:08:41 AM
remove them
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Count Matthew on May 29, 2016, 01:07:53 PM
As a veteran has said. It makes you basically invisible for very little cost.

Courier ..... STFU. No one wants to carry you anymore. That's why you RQ. Even STALKER gave up.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 29, 2016, 01:41:43 PM
i wish i could make cunt matthew invisible for little cost
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Komrade on May 29, 2016, 01:53:00 PM
Wishes can come true if you truly wish them.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on May 29, 2016, 02:14:05 PM
As a veteran has said. It makes you basically invisible for very little cost.

Courier ..... STFU. No one wants to carry you anymore. That's why you RQ. Even STALKER gave up.

Devs not listening to veterans made the server shit. Instead they do their own thing and listen to players that don't play anymore, like s1man

I've been saying, sneaks is too cheap, they can just yolo around with waki before. Now they're just yoloing around with snipers and spamming pistols cause jackets, stealthboys are extremely cheap. Sneaks aren't even used for recon anymore, they're just a nuisance to PvPers by backstabbing with snipers.

I've even told cirn0 to his face the sneak problems. All I got was "snek lyfe ded"

.... That's when I realized they don't give a fuck, no matter my amount of time playing, experience, videos, ability to play multiple roles, etc.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Niamak on May 29, 2016, 03:06:33 PM
Instead they do their own thing and listen to players that don't play anymore, like s1man

Sad truth is he probably play more than you but hey since you ragequit, you couldn't know.

.... That's when I realized they don't give a fuck, no matter my amount of time playing, experience, videos, ability to play multiple roles, etc.

Looking back at sneak changes over 2 years should be enough proof that they do care.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on May 29, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
Well, at least they are trying to give sneak more life than just spotting.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on May 30, 2016, 10:40:36 AM
As a veteran has said. It makes you basically invisible for very little cost.

Courier ..... STFU. No one wants to carry you anymore. That's why you RQ. Even STALKER gave up.

Devs not listening to veterans made the server shit. Instead they do their own thing and listen to players that don't play anymore, like s1man

I've been saying, sneaks is too cheap, they can just yolo around with waki before. Now they're just yoloing around with snipers and spamming pistols cause jackets, stealthboys are extremely cheap. Sneaks aren't even used for recon anymore, they're just a nuisance to PvPers by backstabbing with snipers.

I've even told cirn0 to his face the sneak problems. All I got was "snek lyfe ded"

.... That's when I realized they don't give a fuck, no matter my amount of time playing, experience, videos, ability to play multiple roles, etc.

stalker is right on what he says and devs should care when they read stuff like this from him (hes the only murrican player that played all the time back then) ... there are probably even more people like him and me around that dont care anymore because we have seen through them careless devs.

i mean blyad why even care, enjoy life do other things ... devteam is wack at the moment. you cant turn shit into gold!
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on May 30, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Was there ever a single dev in the history of Fonline who did NOT enjoy trolling his own playerbase?..........Nope.

Is the playerbase self-destructing? Yes. Are the Dev's helping? Of course.

The AOP Dev's total refusal to listen to reason when it comes to sneakers is most disturbing. On all onther fonline servers...when something was OP and being overused, it didnt take long for devs to comprehend the problem. Here they see entire factions playing sneakers and they go: Oh! look so many sneakers, people must love what we did with em! NO: they all played sneakers to SHOW you how much it broke your game. Seeing how you did not catch on, and kept buffing the sneaks instead....

It became painfully obvious to all, that you have no idea at all where you are going with your server.

Sneakers....in CA?......wielding miniguns?..... :'( Yup, this is the end.

Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: clochard on May 30, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
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Seeing how you did not catch on, and kept buffing the sneaks instead....
what?

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Sneakers....in CA?......wielding miniguns?..... :'( Yup, this is the end.
wait... what?
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on May 30, 2016, 01:23:44 PM
Sad truth is he probably play more than you but hey since you ragequit, you couldn't know.

He even said in IRC he stopped playing, I still play the game just not as much as I used to. Sneaks made the game unappealing.

Looking back at sneak changes over 2 years should be enough proof that they do care.

Only decent sneak change was with wartime and having to put in util. All they had to do is adjust weapons they can sneak with but nooo, they just went back to square 1 where sneak is total bullshit.

Well, at least they are trying to give sneak more life than just spotting.

More life? By being total bullshit? sneakers in CA?  :o

Mad matt you never done any serious PvP other than loot and fight random ppl you encounter...let the big bois talk.

At least courier agrees with me.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 30, 2016, 01:53:05 PM
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Sneakers....in CA?......wielding miniguns?..... :'( Yup, this is the end.
wait... what?

Dont reply to trolls clochard
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on May 30, 2016, 01:56:28 PM
I took part in real PvP when Rogues where playing in BBs. I have account here and I can freely type what I think so give me a break. I didnt said they are doing it right or they didnt fucked up. Well, even Porno admit it....but whining and crying about it don't change anything. Now, go back to my previous post and read it once again...but this time carefully...I wrote they are TRYING to bring it to another level than just spot. Trying is key word.

Now rethink it "big boy".
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on May 30, 2016, 02:05:51 PM
Why you so butthurt mad matt? You're not an AoP Big Boy, you're just some noob with a forum account.

I find it funny how players with little to no AoP experience come here and say shit, like they know everything but reality get butthurt when a veteran points them out.  ;D

(Yes I did read your post)
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 30, 2016, 02:10:27 PM
He doesnt need to play aop 24/7 to point out that most of Stalkers forum posts are crying and whining when it's the truth
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on May 30, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
Yeah, cause only Big Boy Sralker can say loud his opinion and others have to stfu cause his fucking alpha omega and knows everything better.

I'm not butthurted, I'm just damn bored with your crying, whinning and telling others to stfu cause you know better.

Keep going on being douche man, there was time when I really liked you...but now when you acting like owner of the only true way of playing AoP...well, you are going down...and it's not only my opinion.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on May 30, 2016, 04:36:35 PM
Yeah, cause only Big Boy Sralker can say loud his opinion and others have to stfu cause his fucking alpha omega and knows everything better.

I'm not butthurted, I'm just damn bored with your crying, whinning and telling others to stfu cause you know better.

Keep going on being douche man, there was time when I really liked you...but now when you acting like owner of the only true way of playing AoP...well, you are going down...and it's not only my opinion.

Like I give a fuck about people's opinions on the internet  ::)

He doesnt need to play aop 24/7 to point out that most of Stalkers forum posts are crying and whining when it's the truth

Soo...pointing out the most broken things on the server is "crying"

Good logic you got there ramon.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on May 30, 2016, 06:01:03 PM
Well, there's a thin line between pointing out problems and cry...you crossed it mate.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on May 30, 2016, 09:07:40 PM
If only you've played the game as long as I have, you'd be agreeing with me. Especially pointing out sneak problems that I've been trying to get changed for a very long time.

Instead you just come here to loot 24/7, roleplay in IRC, steal my quality dank memes with no hardcore PvP experience and claim I'm crying when you yourself have no Fucken clue what I'm talking about.

And please, all you can do is agree with Ramon, someone who desperately tries hard to keep sneak in its OP state. As I said before, let the big bois talk  :)

Don't take this personal. You don't belong here in AoP, a server meant for PvP and you're not a PvP'r.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on May 31, 2016, 02:03:29 AM
Don't take it personal but fuck off. I never said I'm happy with sneak in form it was played from the beginning of this session, I even agreed with you about sneak changes few times, but instead you will point out only that you was playing here longer. Great toxicity. You never played here with me in squad, so you have no right to tell shit about my PvP level. And once again, you are not alone here, you are not some kind of God damn VIP and everyone can say their opinion even me. So give me a break.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Count Matthew on May 31, 2016, 06:45:35 AM
Okay, let's be serious now.

Sneaking is still too cheap, caps wise. Here are my thoughts on the general subject:

Sneakers equipment is generally cheaper than a full blown combat character. Full sneak attire is probably around the 2k caps mark. (you can farm most of the weapons, wakis, automags and Metba(?) and just need to buy armour and a stealth boy). Stealth Boys are too cheap I believe. Full Combat character should be around 4k.

Gameplay wise - it is generally easily to counter - a wise man once said, ''why go to the core alone?''. If you are worried about sneakers, why do you wander the pvp area alone? Ask a buddy to go with you.

Since the needler has been nerfed, sneak has lost a lot of its ''wipe period'' power.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Focus Him on May 31, 2016, 08:18:13 AM
Okay, let's be serious now.

Sneaking is still too cheap, caps wise. Here are my thoughts on the general subject:

Sneakers equipment is generally cheaper than a full blown combat character. Full sneak attire is probably around the 2k caps mark. (you can farm most of the weapons, wakis, automags and Metba(?) and just need to buy armour and a stealth boy). Stealth Boys are too cheap I believe. Full Combat character should be around 4k.

It is not about stuff cost because in 15 minutes you can get 15k caps. Sneakers work depends only on one thing which Stalker said: "Posibility to run as a sneaker with few types of weapon.".

As Weasel said, now sneaker with minigun or something else is available for everyone, there is no experience needed to make a build for that (it's my anniversary of being here for one month and I can create everything easily lol).

Good luck wastelanders, have fun with spamming on forum instead of playing.

Cheers  ;D
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on May 31, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
Well, rising cost of sneak-boy would be a good start.
Anyway I tought it was told many times ago, strange no one tried to change it till now.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Count Matthew on May 31, 2016, 08:57:14 AM
Okay, let's be serious now.

Sneaking is still too cheap, caps wise. Here are my thoughts on the general subject:

Sneakers equipment is generally cheaper than a full blown combat character. Full sneak attire is probably around the 2k caps mark. (you can farm most of the weapons, wakis, automags and Metba(?) and just need to buy armour and a stealth boy). Stealth Boys are too cheap I believe. Full Combat character should be around 4k.

It is not about stuff cost because in 15 minutes you can get 15k caps. Sneakers work depends only on one thing which Stalker said: "Posibility to run as a sneaker with few types of weapon.".

As Weasel said, now sneaker with minigun or something else is available for everyone, there is no experience needed to make a build for that (it's my anniversary of being here for one month and I can create everything easily lol).

Good luck wastelanders, have fun with spamming on forum instead of playing.

Cheers  ;D

I play plenty thanks Focus Him.

There is no such thing as a decent or even playable minigun sneaker. Lets ''park'' this subject as it is complete bullshit.

Sneakers are generally easily counterable as long as you have a well organised team.

I personally think being able to deter sneakers is a skill and communication issue.

The cost is still a valid arugment.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 31, 2016, 10:06:59 AM
Sneakers equipment is generally cheaper than a full blown combat character. Full sneak attire is probably around the 2k caps mark. (you can farm most of the weapons, wakis, automags and Metba(?) and just need to buy armour and a stealth boy). Stealth Boys are too cheap I believe. Full Combat character should be around 4k.

I dont see how this is a valid argument. If you neglect easily farmable weapons and consumables, then sneak is in fact more expensive:

CA mk3 = 1875 caps
CLC + sneakboy = 1875 + 180 caps

Stealth boys are too cheap, agreed. But Combat leather coat is too expensive for what it does, nobody that isnt a sneaker would ever buy it at this price.
So if you increase snekboy price, reduce CLJ and CLC price to compensate.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Count Matthew on May 31, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
Sneakers equipment is generally cheaper than a full blown combat character. Full sneak attire is probably around the 2k caps mark. (you can farm most of the weapons, wakis, automags and Metba(?) and just need to buy armour and a stealth boy). Stealth Boys are too cheap I believe. Full Combat character should be around 4k.

I dont see how this is a valid argument. If you neglect easily farmable weapons and consumables, then sneak is in fact more expensive:

CA mk3 = 1875 caps
CLC + sneakboy = 1875 + 180 caps

Stealth boys are too cheap, agreed. But Combat leather coat is too expensive for what it does, nobody that isnt a sneaker would ever buy it at this price.
So if you increase snekboy price, reduce CLJ and CLC price to compensate.

The total value of a combat character which includes - smokes (other grenades), epi-pens and super stimpacks are expensive and are not really farmable. Maybe because you only have really played sneaker, you are not fully aware a soldiers necessities.

I still agree with STALKER and his thoughts on sneak more than most other people.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 31, 2016, 10:35:52 AM
Weird, because i take smokes and stims and an epipen to every single battle.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Komrade on May 31, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
I have played both a lot and must say that my full combat char is around 500 caps more expensive than the sneaker. Personally I was against the idea of very strong sneaker chars but if you count how fast you can die as sneaker with almost no chance to tank anything unless your enemy has weak weapon. The range spread and damage of a minigun can put a real end to your sneaking pretty fast with almost 0 chance to escape.

Whoever said about sneakers with minigun doesn't play the game so whole argument is retarded. On the other hand the ability of a sneaker to wear CA and use the strong pistols really give them the op edge over any normal combat char with pistol.

As for the needler bullshit at the beginning, the desneak was bugged also in case noone noticed, you could make 2 shots and leave without anyone seeing you.       
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Niamak on May 31, 2016, 10:39:08 AM
Weird, because i take smokes and stims and an epipen to every single battle.

Me too, also voodoo and afterburner gum.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Komrade on May 31, 2016, 10:41:36 AM
Make that 2 voodoo and not only smoke nades.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on May 31, 2016, 11:29:42 AM
15k caps in 15 min = yolo

its more like 15k caps in ~50 min
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on May 31, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Whoever said about sneakers with minigun doesn't play the game so whole argument is retarded.

Well Allright, time to educate someone! Holding a BG is -25 to sneak and you CAN wear a CA. Now...let's say im playing a sniper: I'm watching a huge field in front of me and i see 95 hexes in front. Mr Minigun and CA appears at around what...40 hexes? So that means he appears at bursting range.......Do you see where i'm going with this?  ???
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 31, 2016, 12:41:36 PM
Do you see where i'm going with this?

I see that you dont even play the fucking game.

Try to equip a minigun loaded with ammo and walk around in sneak
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Stem Sunders on May 31, 2016, 12:50:41 PM
Round, 3...FIGHT!
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: clochard on May 31, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
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I see that you dont even play the fucking game.

Try to equip a minigun loaded with ammo and walk around in sneak

don't reply to trolls ramon.

This is my job.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on May 31, 2016, 12:56:09 PM
I see that you dont even play the fucking game.
Try to equip a minigun loaded with ammo and walk around in sneak

I play the game, i just dont play sneakers because i strongly disagree about what a sneaker should be allowed to do. If you talk about the weight of the gun: One of the recent-ish updates stated the weight does not factor in cells consumption anymore. If you want, replace minigun with ''any machine guns'' you can still walk right up to range of anyone before they can see you.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 31, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
"I love to complain about things i have no fucking clue about"


Then equip a minigun and walk around in sneak and see for yourself
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on May 31, 2016, 01:25:04 PM
"I love to complain about things i have no fucking clue about"
Then equip a minigun and walk around in sneak and see for yourself

Hmm i supose you are the sneak master? you know everything and anything about sneaking? So then you tell me: with 200 sneak, a stealthboy, a CAmk3 and one BG equiped, at what distance does a 10PE char sees you?

Oh, and you told me before that the stealthboy changes were a nerf.....il need more explanations on that. Since in my book:200+20+20 -6 hexes to min detection range +another 20 for standing still seems like it's a whole lot better than 250.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 31, 2016, 03:47:16 PM
Hmm i supose you are the sneak master? you know everything and anything about sneaking? So then you tell me: with 200 sneak, a stealthboy, a CAmk3 and one BG equiped, at what distance does a 10PE char sees you?

With 200 sneak, a stealthboy, a CAmk3 and a minigun, you are always visible
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on May 31, 2016, 04:07:58 PM
must keeel snek
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Teela on May 31, 2016, 06:39:57 PM
Weasel, you're a bit problematic. I tolerate huge amounts of ass talk. Just that most of the times when the ass speaks its someone I know. You're not someone I know. Yet everything that comes out of your mouth is ass.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on May 31, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Weasel, you're a bit problematic. I tolerate huge amounts of ass talk. Just that most of the times when the ass speaks its someone I know. You're not someone I know. Yet everything that comes out of your mouth is ass.

Go ahead and kiss me then, im sure you will love the taste. :-* (Of course you DO realise you are the one shit-talking here? Provide opinions on game mechanics instead of complaining about my mouth hygiene!)

@Ramon You still havent explained how the sneakboys change were a nerf, Im waiting on your masterfull wisdom on the matter still!

Oh and avoiding the -25% per EQUIPED bg is rather easy....just dont equip it.....sneak to position...hide behind a tree, equip gun. Wow.....it works! Surprise, snipers that watched this field for 5 mins: im within range!

 
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on May 31, 2016, 07:30:17 PM
I told you to try it ingame yourself

Do it or shut the fuck up
(wow, sorry for eiditing this post, I only pressed quote I swer W)
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Wire on June 01, 2016, 03:06:28 AM
I told you to try it ingame yourself

Do it or shut the fuck up
He can't
Rerolling is too hard and he have reached alt limit  :'(
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on June 01, 2016, 12:16:03 PM
I told you to try it ingame yourself

Do it or shut the fuck up
He can't
Rerolling is too hard and he have reached alt limit  :'(

Do i really need to reroll or make a new char? Nope, i played plenty. and sneakers in CA keep poping in my reach all the time. Also let me help you out Ramon: 200+20+20+20= 260 wich is already better than 250. then you add -6 to min detection range.....and i THINK it's better than 250 still......

@Wire: This is exactly the perfect example of what a mature forum moderator would never do: Side with the trash-talkers/trolls. If you have no usefull info to provide, and if you just want to try to boost your ego like all the other trolls, please abstain yourself from posting.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Wire on June 01, 2016, 12:36:22 PM
I told you to try it ingame yourself

Do it or shut the fuck up
He can't
Rerolling is too hard and he have reached alt limit  :'(

Do i really need to reroll or make a new char? Nope, i played plenty. and sneakers in CA keep poping in my reach all the time. Also let me help you out Ramon: 200+20+20+20= 260 wich is already better than 250. then you add -6 to min detection range.....and i THINK it's better than 250 still......

@Wire: This is exactly the perfect example of what a mature forum moderator would never do: Side with the trash-talkers/trolls. If you have no usefull info to provide, and if you just want to try to boost your ego like all the other trolls, please abstain yourself from posting.
Man, you're really taking everything you can from sjw notebook. You need to chill  ;D
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on June 01, 2016, 12:40:52 PM
Okay, show us how you reach 260 ingame if we are the trashtalkers
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on June 01, 2016, 12:57:37 PM
Okay, show us how you reach 260 ingame if we are the trashtalkers

Man....simple maths are hard for you or what? 200....+20next to a wall+20 1-4 of wall +20 if you stand still......thats 260 right? or 250 if it's capped at such.  And that still dont take into account the free -6 to detection range. 240 -6 hexes if you walk next to a wall or stand still 4 hexes from a wall.
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on June 01, 2016, 01:55:31 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/af/b2/7f/afb27f023a80b05ec53b2a7b7aabc15f.jpg)

^ Weasel calculating sneak% instead of trying it himself
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on June 01, 2016, 03:41:52 PM
Quantum physics and time-dependent Schrödinger equation :D

Hilarious :D
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Weasel on June 01, 2016, 04:02:06 PM
Well, im sure that's the face most people would make looking at those. ???

But when confronted with the simple 200+20+20+20=?
I would expect a different answer than: It cant be done!  :o
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: RazorRamon on June 01, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
If its so simple then why can nobody reach 260 ingame
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: John Porno on June 01, 2016, 04:47:41 PM
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/2nvqkn6lq3vhty6/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on June 01, 2016, 04:47:55 PM
Belive me Weasel, Schrodinger isn't the worst thing you could meet while studying Physics...
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 01, 2016, 04:51:39 PM
schroedinger is cool and physic is for pussies, real man study mathematics
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: clochard on June 01, 2016, 05:00:04 PM
i can sneak with 2 miniguns in each hands if i want.

my sneak will be 425-45+545+78+88-8+1-88-121+12+1,25*

(*1,25 if i use voodoo)

Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: FrankenStone-MKII on June 01, 2016, 05:09:04 PM
i can sneak ingame without login into the game and nobody will see me ... because my sneakskill is op
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: Mad Matt on June 01, 2016, 05:15:47 PM
Frankenstone...you hurt my feelings :(
Title: Re: Sneak Boys
Post by: IIKM-enotsneknarF on June 02, 2016, 02:04:11 AM
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/2nvqkn6lq3vhty6/maxresdefault.jpg)

Most of the changes are just weapon tweaks. I'm still waiting for a full sneak overhaul.