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[faopcurious]

So where, and when do we find out about how the new weapon tier system is going to work?  After the wipe?
Now?

[powerplay]

http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=2878.0

[faopcurious]

That doesn't explain anything though.  Does a weapon have a tech level, 9mm pistol: tier 1, or does having tier 5 technology mean my 9mm pistol will have tier 5 perks/traits ?

if I understand "progressive list of items per sub-genre. "   9mm pistol would be tier 1 or so, Deag would be tier 8, etc etc.

Which means you completely gave up on balance, one of the first things you promised us back in the day was ''balanced weapons'' one of the main attracting points of Fonline AOP.  And you decided to do this Fonline 2 weapon tier shit.  Way to completely give up on balance.  Thanks for letting yourselves down, and letting us down. -_-.   Way to take any strategy out of the game, now instead of deciding what weapon to use I guess I'll just use the highest tier I find.  Because screw balance right?  Lets just copy Fonline 2.

[Count Matthew]

I believe the tiers to be staggered.

[faopcurious]

Not to mention its going to be spam fest when everyone is trying to kill each other with zip guns in ZC.
"We can add interesting modifiers:
Controlling Research facility in WM location increases faction research cap by 10%.
Controlling Global Electrics in Core increases faction research cap by 10%.
"
Oh, well I hope everyone likes fighting in GE, and RF for the rest of the season. * yawwwwn*

[Stem Sunders]

When were you even last in Phoenix? When did you last ZC? When was the last time you tried out any mechanics? Things are changing all the time.

Sorry but, seems very narrow minded.

[Niamak]

A lot more guns will be added to the game. So, it will probably not be a spam fest.

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

Sorry but, seems very narrow minded.

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I'm pretty sure I saw him with his grenadier and CLC...died very easily 

You do know like 30+ new guns will be added right? Mainly from WWI/WWII era which will be the low tier weapons making current tier 1-2 weapons tier 6-9.

[faopcurious]

Sorry but, seems very narrow minded.

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I'm pretty sure I saw him with his grenadier and CLC...died very easily 

You do know like 30+ new guns will be added right? Mainly from WWI/WWII era which will be the low tier weapons making current tier 1-2 weapons tier 6-9.

Shhhhhhh, don't blow my cover, also answer my PM, it's rude to ignore people.  and congrats, you killed my experimental nader XD.

Narrow minded?  Because I think linear tiers is shit compared to a balanced system?  Because the devs gave up on a promise of balanced weapons?

[faopcurious]

A lot more guns will be added to the game. So, it will probably not be a spam fest.

I didn't mean spam fest as everyone using the same gun, I meant spam fest as in you will need to shoot some one 20 times to kill them!

[Stem Sunders]

Yeah, mhm.

[Niamak]

I think you are right, low tier weapons will probably require very long time to kill (shoot 20 times). New armor tier will be added also, it's hard to say.

I always hated very low time to kill gameplay anyway (like 1hexing and particle accelerator). So, I'm fine with that.

[Kurwier]

well i can undertsand faopcurious and im with him since i never liked any tiersystem and fonline2 is a primeexample of why it is bad ...

it will be probably easier to fist someone with barehands then to shoot someone with a 10mm pistol with 5 hex radius ...

[faopcurious]

Yeah, mhm.

Then maybe you are the close minded one?  how could tiers possibly be better than balanced gameplay?

[faopcurious]

well i can undertsand faopcurious and im with him since i never liked any tiersystem and fonline2 is a primeexample of why it is bad ...

it will be probably easier to fist someone with barehands then to shoot someone with a 10mm pistol with 5 hex radius ...

Exactly, I think I will roll a martial artist on wipe XD.  Get a whole group of guys running around in robes beating people up with their bare hands, smacking guns out of peoples hands.   We can be the monks of peace or something XD.

[John Porno]

I think the term "narrowminded" fits calling bullshit on something one apparently has no idea about really well.

There is a tectree in the art section which clearly shows the main weapon classes and the fact that each class has at least one full tree with no gaps. We're not trying to force the fallout guns into a tec progression as fo2 did, because that leads to a severe imbalance each time you add a new weapon in class x without also adding something to class y, and we're also progressively fade the weapons in and out. There wont be a switch flipped overnight which suddenly makes all old weapons obsolete, but rather their spawn weight is increased as described above.

Also, balance is a lie. You even used the term balance wrong. Maybe "levelled" would be better or something, in a literal sense.

I know that we havent laid out the full concept yet and only posted some bits here and there, but at least argue properly and dont talk shit.

[faopcurious]

You care to link to that tec tree in the art section?  Couldn't find it.
Also, I think you meant close minded, not narrow minded.

Also, if you guys couldn't balance the weapons what makes you think you can do it with tiers? Thats just going to make any balance you do for each tier even more difficult.

[Kurwier]

You care to link to that tec tree in the art section?  Couldn't find it.
Also, I think you meant close minded, not narrow minded.

Also, if you guys couldn't balance the weapons what makes you think you can do it with tiers? Thats just going to make any balance you do for each tier even more difficult.

i think he meant this one here http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=2975.0 hk caws above pangor lelhammer xD and rip to steyr aug

[John Porno]

You care to link to that tec tree in the art section?  Couldn't find it.
Also, I think you meant close minded, not narrow minded.

Also, if you guys couldn't balance the weapons what makes you think you can do it with tiers? Thats just going to make any balance you do for each tier even more difficult.

please elaborate more on how bad the balance was this season.
Also, narrowminded was a quote. You're also now using the term balance differently than before

[Stem Sunders]

I said narrow minded. Not close minded.

I never said one way was better than the other, you did.

Much of the information you're asking about is already out there.

Including your previous topic on this. http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=3137.msg27829#msg27829
There are huge discussions on all kinds of things set for next season.
You would just rather ask the same questions again without doing any of the leg work. C'mon man.
Other things, well just wait and see?


You make statements like "Not to mention its going to be spam fest when everyone is trying to kill each other with zip guns in ZC." - Who is taking a zip gun to ZC seriously?

Also answer my questions, "its rude to ignore people."