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Title: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: John Porno on April 08, 2016, 08:49:11 AM
Alright, just like last time, let's have a little thread where people and fonline gangs can post their numbers and their favorited faction, if they want to disclose that information, to get an idea of the faction balance. I'll try to keep the first post updated.

Keep in mind that joining a faction next season will cost more money if the faction is already stacked and that with the way the ZC payouts work, active pvp players will earn more money in a smaller faction.

1: JJJ Lawyer Agency
- BBS

2: The Family
- komrade et al.
- Siberian Bears

3: Vault-Technologists
- KotW?

4: Brahminboys
- Rogues

5: Boreal Church
- Count Matthew et al.

6: Hound Square
- VVish squad
- Social Warriors
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: I love Clochard on April 08, 2016, 09:21:11 AM
1: JJJ Lawyer Agency


I am the lawbringer!

add a poll to topic
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 08, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
I'm most likely going to remain family :P

Dunno what faction my friends gonna be, but I do expect Vtec, church. And hounds to be the most populated factions and BB will have the least

Vtec players - "I'm gonna be the next vault dweller hur dur"

Church/hounds - "these weren't here last time I've played!"
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: RazorRamon on April 08, 2016, 10:13:58 AM
> joining a faction next season will cost [...] money

This implies that factionless people will have the possibility to stash money/loot.

Which means staying factionless would be a viable choice as well?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: John Porno on April 08, 2016, 10:35:57 AM
if you want to roleplay that hard, sure
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: artaman on April 08, 2016, 11:08:24 AM
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2: The Family
4: Brahminboys

Hello! may i be of the suggestion to official change family color from 2: The Family for 2: The Family. so to avoid the confusion of colours with the 4: Brahminboys as was of prominence of new players before! and for sake of hope! avoiding tertiary colors for the future!
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: MaDKnighT on April 08, 2016, 11:37:38 AM
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2: The Family
4: Brahminboys

Hello! may i be of the suggestion to official change family color from 2: The Family for 2: The Family. so to avoid the confusion of colours with the 4: Brahminboys as was of prominence of new players before! and for sake of hope! avoiding tertiary colors for the future!

hmmm... maybe 2: The Family ?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: BG Sexpert on April 08, 2016, 11:44:17 AM
Family, Hounds, and BB are too close in color. They should really be further apart on the color wheel.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: John Porno on April 08, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
if we get some CA's recolored then sure, why not
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 08, 2016, 12:07:01 PM
if we get some CA's recolored then sure, why not

lol yellow combat armor , gogo powerrangers

Beside that i stay with Srlaker and the other gops at family , alos i cant play without hawk ... i love that dude too much.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 08, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
Brahmin boys should be recolored to the Tan/beige combat armor.

And family should have this one (http://i.imgur.com/DvPXd1J.gif) :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 08, 2016, 01:59:41 PM
I am the Family  8)
Once more into the breach as a proud Family member ;)
 

And family should have this one (http://i.imgur.com/DvPXd1J.gif) :D

No :)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: clochard on April 08, 2016, 02:38:37 PM
This man look likes he felt into mud and then covered by sparkles.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 08, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
This man look likes he felt into mud and then covered by sparkles.

It's camouflage FFS  >:(

But if I remember right, BBS will join lawyers and Khans will go wherever windrunner goes. Wutang might come family? Not sure
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Count Matthew on April 08, 2016, 05:03:51 PM
Amen Brothers.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: RazorRamon on April 08, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
kiddy fiddler swarm
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Stem Sunders on April 08, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/d1RIF3E.png)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: RazorRamon on April 08, 2016, 10:06:47 PM
HEIL TREE
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: mdgeist on April 09, 2016, 03:57:24 AM
think i will join the vtecs again. i like the clean and technical look of the base.
but depends on my friend i'm playing with.

(so i voted for vtec. cause i am the first and only person right now, could i be the leader than?  :D)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 09, 2016, 08:21:49 AM
think i will join the vtecs again. i like the clean and technical look of the base.
but depends on my friend i'm playing with.

(so i voted for vtec. cause i am the first and only person right now, could i be the leader than?  :D)

no the leader is a female , deal with it tekkies
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on April 09, 2016, 09:28:49 AM
I'll will probably keep my family/law characters (same name, same behavior, similar build) but i'll play them less often

Main will probably follow Data & Co with the church. (still have no clue about the character name, behavior, build, rp, yet. But i hope this one will have a bigger emphasis on roleplay.)

But i am not sure i will play early this cession. (beside getting access to bases)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 09, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
Last time my gang called The Rogues played in Brahmin Boyz , most probably we gonna start there again. Numbers? 12-15, maybe more.

Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 09, 2016, 01:29:39 PM
i will too probbaly join brahim if those 2 new factions dont lure me with better story
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 09, 2016, 01:33:13 PM
Brahmin Boyz 4ever
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 09, 2016, 04:02:30 PM
I was thinking of joining the church but it really depends.
Whats it like? whats the base like? are they assholes? is everyone in a robe?
do they have everything other factions have? I notice lawyer base has things vtec base doesnt have and etc etc etc etc.

If I join church I might have to change my avatar finally.

Edit:  Oh, if you wanted balance you should have did my mercenary idea.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 09, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
i will too probbaly join brahim if those 2 new factions dont lure me with better story

A better story than some hick?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 09, 2016, 04:14:51 PM
I was thinking of joining the church but it really depends.
Whats it like? whats the base like? are they assholes? is everyone in a robe?
do they have everything other factions have? I notice lawyer base has things vtec base doesnt have and etc etc etc etc.

If I join church I might have to change my avatar finally.

Edit:  Oh, if you wanted balance you should have did my mercenary idea.

what does lawyer base ahs what other factions dont have ? im curious ...
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 09, 2016, 04:18:07 PM
what does lawyer base ahs what other factions dont have ? im curious ...

Better teleporting by those servants :P

Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 09, 2016, 06:55:54 PM
what does lawyer base ahs what other factions dont have ? im curious ...

Better teleporting by those servants :P

all hqs got teleporters except vkeks
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 10, 2016, 07:31:08 AM
I don't know how is it with Lawyers but Family and V-Tecs have for sure better zones next to their gates.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 10, 2016, 08:05:32 AM
I don't know how is it with Lawyers but Family and V-Tecs have for sure better zones next to their gates.

just wait for ubdade family bbq will have best zones ever
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 10, 2016, 08:21:08 AM
Well, it doesnt really matter for me. I can always lure into others zones :D


Brahmins Boyz 4life  8)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 10, 2016, 01:47:03 PM
No other gangs?

Its important to keep balance on the server, tell us where you planing to go before season starts to avoid missundestanding and lots of problems.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Smalltime on April 10, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
ARWH will likely go where there are the least people.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: I love Clochard on April 10, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
ARWH will likely go where there are the least people.

join me at lawyers
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 10, 2016, 02:51:49 PM
ARWH will likely go where there are the least people.

join me at lawyers

Yes, join Pewpew so your sole purpose can be to loot and be a nuisance to everyone else  :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: RazorRamon on April 10, 2016, 06:44:44 PM
ARWH will likely go where there are the least people.

hounds

cuck council agreed dont bother them about it
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on April 11, 2016, 05:21:38 AM
You should add factionless in the poll.
I am not sure it will be for the long run, but i would definitely want to retry that.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 11, 2016, 08:25:43 AM
You should add factionless in the poll.
I am not sure it will be for the long run, but i would definitely want to retry that.

ye factionless is good just if could find a wey to store stuff whitout desapiring, Sewar rats xD
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on April 11, 2016, 08:51:31 AM
Unless you want high-level stuff to compete with faction characters, it is pretty easy to equip yourself in the core.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 11, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Unless you want high-level stuff to compete with faction characters, it is pretty easy to equip yourself in the core.

And against who you want to compete ?
Against other factionless ?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 11, 2016, 11:15:34 AM
nah if you factionless your enemy is everybody and nobody
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 12, 2016, 01:46:45 AM
nah if you factionless your enemy is everybody and nobody

Yes, be factionless so you can only throw 1 spear then die, and repeat that 20 times before you quit... ::)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 12, 2016, 05:47:33 AM
nah if you factionless your enemy is everybody and nobody

Yes, be factionless so you can only throw 1 spear then die, and repeat that 20 times before you quit... ::)

i do same in faction too
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Caboose on April 12, 2016, 08:16:13 AM
Probably Techs, havn't totally decided yet, maybe church.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: antohha on April 12, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
Who are hounds? I want to know their lore :'(
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 13, 2016, 09:11:24 AM
ye i would like to know both lore of hounds and church.

For church i am guessing they are some kind of Hubologists , but with hounds i am totally lost, they like dogs?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: I love Clochard on April 13, 2016, 11:31:16 AM
ye i would like to know both lore of hounds and church.

For church i am guessing they are some kind of Hubologists , but with hounds i am totally lost, they like dogs?
i think church is some kind of children of apocalypse
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on April 13, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
Unless you want high-level stuff to compete with faction characters, it is pretty easy to equip yourself in the core.

And against who you want to compete ?
Against other factionless ?

That's the point.
IMO, Factionless isn't meant to compete with faction players.
So the storage things of tier 99 items is less an issue.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 13, 2016, 10:42:13 PM
I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent faction swarming.

Who are hounds? I want to know their lore :'(

"Hound" is a synonym for "dog", also used in a more specific sense to refer to a type of dog used by hunters to track or chase prey. Hounds can be contrasted with gundogs, which assists hunters by identifying the location of prey and/or recovering shot quarry. The hound breeds were the first hunting dogs. They have either a powerful sense of smell or great speed. From Wikipedia

Probably the "bandits" of AoP :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Teela on April 14, 2016, 04:05:58 AM
I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent faction swarming.


I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent cryrier and sralker from switching to the winning team on a monthly basis.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 14, 2016, 07:11:33 AM
I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent faction swarming.


I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent cryrier and sralker from switching to the winning team on a monthly basis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCNkhq6XPis
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 14, 2016, 08:14:43 AM
Hounds = Khans of AoP :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Stem Sunders on April 14, 2016, 09:02:28 AM
Hounds = Khans of AoP :D

And it begins
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 14, 2016, 09:56:57 AM
I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent faction swarming.


I demand there to be a safeguard to prevent cryrier and sralker from switching to the winning team on a monthly basis.

LMAO you don't even know the reasons of us switching. But of course, wherever the ultimate duo goes, the team starts winning a lot  ;D

I said somewhere a long time ago but too lazy to check.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: RazorRamon on April 14, 2016, 10:14:49 AM
Hounds = Khans of AoP :D

Sorry but hounds is official SNEK ARMY

This will be you:
(http://images.tvfanatic.com/iu/s--3ub_eIfR--/t_slideshow/f_auto,fl_lossy,q_75/v1426080299/slides/vikings-17-most-brutal-moments_the-snake-pit.jpg)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: John Porno on April 14, 2016, 11:58:15 AM
Hounds = Khans of AoP :D
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/ca8o1rl6brhhksj/Black-Guy-Meme-Question-Marks-04.png)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 14, 2016, 09:34:55 PM
God damn Jawn....my eyes  :o
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 14, 2016, 10:34:34 PM
God damn Jawn....my eyes  :o

If you think that's bad you should have seen the one of his avatar...my god  :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: John Porno on April 15, 2016, 09:36:19 AM
Sadly I deleted that one, I gotta remake it at some point
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 16, 2016, 07:39:16 AM
No...please Jawn, have mercy  :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: VVish on April 16, 2016, 09:04:52 AM
My team is going to Hounds.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: powerplay on April 16, 2016, 11:43:03 AM
1 private faction in every ingame faction, nice, hope to see balanced numbers.. at least at beginning before ppl rq  ;D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 16, 2016, 12:46:33 PM
Is that how it works?  So church isn't going to have a .... church?  I assume church is going to be in lawyers, and hounds are going to be family?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: powerplay on April 16, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
Is that how it works?  So church isn't going to have a .... church?  I assume church is going to be in lawyers, and hounds are going to be family?
what u talk about, are you drunk ?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 16, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
nah i guessing they will make 2 more entrence to city and add  2 more factions there and later 2 more so evry 45 angle there is entrence to city and a faction base. Church will be a big tree with dead people hanging from it (like one in PoE just this is Pine one). Hounds are going to be a gothic palace with chained slaves walking around on hands and foots
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 16, 2016, 03:47:24 PM
nah i guessing they will make 2 more entrence to city and add  2 more factions there and later 2 more so evry 45 angle there is entrence to city and a faction base. Church will be a big tree with dead people hanging from it (like one in PoE just this is Pine one). Hounds are going to be a gothic palace with chained slaves walking around on hands and foots

You making this shit up?  I hope you are.



Is that how it works?  So church isn't going to have a .... church?  I assume church is going to be in lawyers, and hounds are going to be family?
what u talk about, are you drunk ?

No, I misunderstood what you meant.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: scabs on April 17, 2016, 07:08:12 PM
so no lore about the two new factions, we only know their names?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 17, 2016, 07:13:17 PM
so no lore about the two new factions, we only know their names?

We know also few tiny facts/ rumours. In my opinion it's enough for now. There is no need to kill all the surprise and fun that is covered by mystery of unknownchanges.



All Hail to the Jawn !
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Blinkz on April 17, 2016, 10:21:33 PM
Probably stay with v-tec they have a good start game advantage =o
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 17, 2016, 10:25:15 PM
Probably stay with v-tec they have a good start game advantage =o

whut advantage ? the only advantage u can get is to play with courier ...
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Blinkz on April 17, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Probably stay with v-tec they have a good start game advantage =o

whut advantage ? the only advantage u can get is to play with courier ...

you get out of the base like 4x faster then others making your way around is easyier, The mine is right there pretty much right next to your base you can train down there and make money with no risk...also looks better then the others thats always an advantage haha

Then to other things when you get to the gate to get into the city the maps to get onto the next map is like half the size of the other gates map s

like you go to the other gates you gotta do this massive walk just to get onto the next map....except Brahmin boys gate map but then there hq is like a marathon getting out, I dunno v-tec has alot going for them, also had top character count the whole season.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: antohha on April 17, 2016, 10:44:10 PM
Probably stay with v-tec they have a good start game advantage =o
whut advantage ?
You are the closest to the most contested zone in the game  muhaha
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 17, 2016, 10:52:45 PM
Probably stay with v-tec they have a good start game advantage =o

whut advantage ? the only advantage u can get is to play with courier ...

you get out of the base like 4x faster then others making your way around is easyier, The mine is right there pretty much right next to your base you can train down there and make money with no risk...also looks better then the others thats always an advantage haha

Then to other things when you get to the gate to get into the city the maps to get onto the next map is like half the size of the other gates map s

like you go to the other gates you gotta do this massive walk just to get onto the next map....except Brahmin boys gate map but then there hq is like a marathon getting out, I dunno v-tec has alot going for them, also had top character count the whole season.

mines are useless but shhhh and all hqs got teleporters in fact of most shortests ways best teleporters i wud say lawyers got the 2nd best hq with teleporters at heart also but all faction hqs dont differ too much only bbq hq is dam complicated becoz the teleporters are bad placed with also bad dialouge , family has best hq imo becasue u have compact hq size , eazy going anywhere without even teleporters , and about the gate map and coremap sizes they are all the same size LOL
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Blinkz on April 17, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
Its all personal choice man =) i dont know about these teleporters? i know you can teleport into the base but not out?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: powerplay on April 18, 2016, 02:11:34 AM
its a bit offtopic but
vtech, lawyers and family hqs are fine imo but i never liked BBs, their HQ is too big and its so chaotic, everything so far away from each other, teleports could be better there too
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 18, 2016, 02:23:52 AM
its a bit offtopic but
vtech, lawyers and family hqs are fine imo but i never liked BBs, their HQ is too big and its so chaotic, everything so far away from each other, teleports could be better there too

Lawyers have the best base so far.
They better not mess up church base, I will wage a holy war.   :|
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 18, 2016, 02:39:04 AM
like you go to the other gates you gotta do this massive walk just to get onto the next map....except Brahmin boys gate map but then there hq is like a marathon getting out, I dunno v-tec has alot going for them, also had top character count the whole season.

Only reason why V-Tec had most players cause it was the closes faction to the original Fallout lore. I've seen people join it just to "Become the next vault dweller."

IMO V-Tec should have been some other faction...or not exist. Anyways go, remain in V-Tec, more noob swarms for me to kill....or get swarmed :D

BTW only reason Family gate looks huge is cause it's all open field. If it had multiple buildings like V-Tec or BB gate, nobody would notice the difference.


Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Shangalar on April 18, 2016, 04:25:03 AM
If I have enough time before wipe comes I'll try to fix some of the issues current hqs have. Otherwise it's gonna be for later.

Quote
Then to other things when you get to the gate to get into the city the maps to get onto the next map is like half the size of the other gates map s

That's not true, with the hexagonal grid and movement you take the same time going up-down than left-right.

Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Count Matthew on April 18, 2016, 05:37:37 AM
Laws have the best HQ. Least clicks to get to the HQ exit grid.

Also, don't let the numbers here deceive you on the poll. The people who have pledged to come to Church are like single clicks, whereas other factions are made up of preexisting groups from other servers.

If I have done it right, Church should be made up of most of AoP veterans. :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Caboose on April 18, 2016, 07:00:39 AM
Laws have the best HQ. Least clicks to get to the HQ exit grid.

Also, don't let the numbers here deceive you on the poll. The people who have pledged to come to Church are like single clicks, whereas other factions are made up of preexisting groups from other servers.

If I have done it right, Church should be made up of most of AoP veterans. :D

Veterans won't beat swarm.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 07:11:17 AM
So for many of you, da main criteria for choosing a faction is distance from locker to exit grid ? :)

Btw. I have request, especially for other gangs, but also guys who are playing alone - dont join Brahmin Boys. Try to pick some other faction to play. Tust me, that ll be the best for everyone.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 18, 2016, 08:22:12 AM
Tust me, that ll be the best for everyone.

Why?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 08:38:36 AM
Many different reasons.

Dont want sound arrogant or something, just want to point some possible problem before season actually starts. Due to our numbers and some expirience playing together - how other factions supose to stop us? especially when other gangs join the same side?
Keep balance between factions kurwa or game ll be fucked since begning.

Another thing - that wouldnt be the best place to play for loners who want to 'team up'
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Stem Sunders on April 18, 2016, 08:57:34 AM
It sounded arrogant last season, and still sounds arrogant now.

Our group is big, better go somewhere else cuz this one is ours, kek.

Dont expect anyone to team up with you, were closed faction, and unless you comeing from other server with us you aint welcome....kek.
We played together all teh time and we dont want to play with anyone else ever so go away foul noob. We will carry over all aliences and butthurt to this place.
All looks so familiar http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=742.msg5073#msg5073
 http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=649.0

Now lets wait for the TK's
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Smalltime on April 18, 2016, 09:01:08 AM
All looks so familiar http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=649.0
At the same time, it's good for the larger platoons to splinter off and be in seperate factions, for the sole purpose of having better fights and less one sided gameplay. If people sound cocky while chosing their spots, eh, forum pvp them until you can real pvp them I guess. ^^
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
Sometimes im really arrogant motherfucker, thats true and im not hiding with it. Just know where is this going. Same story over the years.

Hope i scared everyone and nobody want to play with such asshole like me in Brahmin Boys!
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 18, 2016, 09:19:23 AM
Pfff, I'm here for some time and I joined Brahmins Boys. I will not change my faction, only because some Polish arrogant PvP-ape who will join after wipe without playing for longer time before update says so :D

You have no power over here mate :D

You can not tell people where they can or can't go...stop acting like this faction would belong to you.

Cheers  ;)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 18, 2016, 09:23:48 AM
LMAO Mushroom acts as if he will dominate the server  ;D

Can't wait to be backstabbing him to the point of ragequitting xD

Sometimes im really arrogant motherfucker, thats true and im not hiding with it. Just know where is this going. Same story over the years.

Hope i scared everyone and nobody want to play with such asshole like me in Brahmin Boys!

Like watching a chihuahua bark and when you get closer, it runs away xD
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 18, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Sralker please join faction that paragon will be in and send me the logs.

Sometimes im really arrogant motherfucker, thats true and im not hiding with it. Just know where is this going. Same story over the years.

Hope i scared everyone and nobody want to play with such asshole like me in Brahmin Boys!

So if duke with his friends will join BBQ you will run away from there ?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 09:30:09 AM
BRAHIMIN BOYS BELONGS TO US! RESPECT OUR AUTORITAH!


Im not going anywhere, picked the weakest side to give you some handicap and and alos less populated (more loot for us) Just suggested other gangs to join other faction becouse this time we ll have really good number and there ll be alot of whining on forum. Nobody cares? Me either, not my problem - refresh this topic in next week or two.

Im really, really serious!
See you in game.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 18, 2016, 09:32:17 AM
See you in-game BB faction base "commander" Maszrum  ;D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 18, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
Why would anyone whine if he has enemies to shoot I don't understand.

After all this is AoP and all you need is kill  8)

Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 09:36:06 AM
Quote
After all this is AoP and all you need is kill

Thats the thing! Less people in faction where im playing = more people to kill = more points = more loot.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Stem Sunders on April 18, 2016, 09:38:37 AM
Quote
After all this is AoP and all you need is kill

Thats the thing! Less people in faction where im playing = more people to kill = more points = more loot.

Then go to least populated faction, when it actually happens.

"this is my choice and I demand that everyone else abide by it" yehk
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 18, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
So basically everyone should try to make others join the rest of the factions and not yours.
Everyone is on it don't worry, there is no recruitment campaign for any faction anywhere for a reason ;) 
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Niamak on April 18, 2016, 09:46:45 AM
join family
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 09:47:27 AM
Take it easy, previous posts were more like joke. However would be nice of some gangs, more numberous then 5 would write something in this thread before joining anywhere, dont have to ask 'why' ? :)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 18, 2016, 09:58:05 AM
It's not that simply to recognize what is joke and what is not, especially on Fonline's forums :D

You have some experience with Fonlines, so you should know why and how many ....specific people you can find there :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 18, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
All you need is joke.

Also everyone should join BBQ now.
Lets make a recruitment thread matt.   
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 18, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
All you need is joke.

Also everyone should join BBQ now.
Lets make a recruitment thread matt.

Well...there's one...made by me...
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 18, 2016, 10:10:23 AM
i am planing BB too but depends what paragon picks i probably go opposite xD
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 18, 2016, 10:16:10 AM
i am planing BB too but depends what paragon picks i probably go opposite xD

You need to pick faction that is closest to spears obviously.



Well...there's one...made by me...


:(
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Smalltime on April 18, 2016, 11:16:09 AM
All you need is joke.

Also everyone should join BBQ now.
Lets make a recruitment thread matt.
make thread for rats instead
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 18, 2016, 11:54:36 AM
I assumed BB's were going to be the least populated faction last time, but I think some point during the early days of the season BBs had their reign of swarm.  They owned almost the whole map at one point, I don't remember how long this lasted.   Swarm, swarm never changes.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: KompreSor on April 18, 2016, 12:55:41 PM
there is free place in Familly?.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Kurwier on April 18, 2016, 01:03:25 PM
there is free place in Familly?.

there will always be free places in family :D and no we dont got some arrogant authorita there ... just straight chaotic communism and alot of skill.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 18, 2016, 03:33:04 PM
Thanks God! My guys were worried that we had to share some loot - Not possibru.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Yama Dharma on April 18, 2016, 05:23:32 PM
Siberian bears, planing join the family.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 19, 2016, 09:58:09 AM
Thanks God! My guys were worried that we had to share some loot - Not possibru.

The moment that they will do pvp they will share their loot, either they want it or not. 
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on April 19, 2016, 12:04:32 PM
Agreed with Mushroom wish for balance, but balance need to be cared for in the long run, not just launch. And we all know it, most gangs from other servers won't stay long in the server. They usually comes at wipe, get their fun and leave after a few months.

Also it should be pointed out that those casual big groups shouldn't try to kick out regular members of their faction. It is those guys that will keep your faction alive for many months/year after/before you come and go.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 19, 2016, 12:29:19 PM
My mercenary faction idea would have solved all of this ._.  I mean, I don't know how easy/hard that would have been to code.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 19, 2016, 06:37:11 PM
Agreed with Mushroom wish for balance, but balance need to be cared for in the long run, not just launch. And we all know it, most gangs from other servers won't stay long in the server. They usually comes at wipe, get their fun and leave after a few months.

Sadly some gangs will use this as an advantage to farm dungeons on other servers **cough** Fonline 2 **cough**
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: wojciech on April 20, 2016, 08:09:59 AM
Agreed with Mushroom wish for balance, but balance need to be cared for in the long run, not just launch. And we all know it, most gangs from other servers won't stay long in the server. They usually comes at wipe, get their fun and leave after a few months.

Sadly some gangs will use this as an advantage to farm dungeons on other servers **cough** Fonline 2 **cough**

And? Its so very important information in that topic.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on April 20, 2016, 05:25:11 PM
Quote
Also it should be pointed out that those casual big groups shouldn't try to kick out regular members of their faction. It is those guys that will keep your faction alive for many months/year after/before you come and go.

Agree.

Gangs and casuals should work together for common welfare of the faction what they playing togher, otherwise they BOTH "gonna have a bad time". Im not closing doors to anybody, last time when we played in Brahmin Boys and menage to organize all groups and loners and take control of the core for quite long period of time.

I would like to do it again, but this time our group will be much, much more numberous thats why i dont want to have any missunderstandings with other gangs who suddenly decide to join the same faction. Becouse we will definitely take initiative inside faction, thats natural order of things and you have to understand this before joining BB's.

Quote
I assumed BB's were going to be the least populated faction last time, but I think some point during the early days of the season BBs had their reign of swarm.  They owned almost the whole map at one point, I don't remember how long this lasted.   Swarm, swarm never changes.

Actually we were the least numerous faction in the game.

So everyone who want to cooperate and play under our wings is fucking welcome, kurwa.


Sorry for my english but hope its crystal clear for everyone, especially for gangs who are considering joining Brahmin Boys.
I really suggests everyone who would like to join BB's to send me some info first via PM, im sure we can find common language.

Sorry for previous posts but im kurwa really try to avoid situation like last time where i announced where we going and guess what happend - we had to change faction, becouse other groups joined the same place - wtf.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 20, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
Quote
Also it should be pointed out that those casual big groups shouldn't try to kick out regular members of their faction. It is those guys that will keep your faction alive for many months/year after/before you come and go.

Agree.

Gangs and casuals should work together for common welfare of the faction what they playing togher, otherwise they "gonna have a bad time". Im not closing doors to anybody, last time when we played in Brahmin Boys we menage to organize all groups and loners and menage to control the core for quite long period of time.

I would like to do it again, but this time our group will be much, much more numberous thats why i dont want to have any missunderstanding with other gangs who decide to join the same faction - Brahmin Boys. Beoucse we will definitely take initiative inside faction, thats natural order of things.

Quote
I assumed BB's were going to be the least populated faction last time, but I think some point during the early days of the season BBs had their reign of swarm.  They owned almost the whole map at one point, I don't remember how long this lasted.   Swarm, swarm never changes.

Actually we were the least numerous faction in the game.

So everyone who want to cooperate and play under our wings is fucking welcome, kurwa.

That's fucking kurwa great for me.

Count me as an additional gun now.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 20, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
Mushroom : Mad Matt, why the kurwa are you wearing CLC and taking pipe rifle?

(Entire server at like tier 8 weapons and CAs)

Matt : for the roleplay

M.A.D.M.A.T.T. ?! More like lame Matt xdxdxdx

Next session sounds promising with PvP 24/7.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 21, 2016, 07:13:46 AM
Mushroom : Mad Matt, why the kurwa are you wearing CLC and taking pipe rifle?

(Entire server at like tier 8 weapons and CAs)

Matt : for the roleplay

M.A.D.M.A.T.T. ?! More like lame Matt xdxdxdx

Next session sounds promising with PvP 24/7.

On Reloaded guys from UV or DW never cried about my gear. And I'm not using CLJ in real PvP son...
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: wojciech on April 21, 2016, 08:09:47 AM
Mushroom : Mad Matt, why the kurwa are you wearing CLC and taking pipe rifle?

(Entire server at like tier 8 weapons and CAs)

Matt : for the roleplay

M.A.D.M.A.T.T. ?! More like lame Matt xdxdxdx

Next session sounds promising with PvP 24/7.

On Reloaded guys from UV or DW never cried about my gear. And I'm not using CLJ in real PvP son...

Every cool man got leather jacket. You re not cool.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Teela on April 21, 2016, 06:22:25 PM
Mushroom : Mad Matt, why the kurwa are you wearing CLC and taking pipe rifle?

(Entire server at like tier 8 weapons and CAs)

Matt : for the roleplay

M.A.D.M.A.T.T. ?! More like lame Matt xdxdxdx

Next session sounds promising with PvP 24/7.

On Reloaded guys from UV or DW never cried about my gear. And I'm not using CLJ in real PvP son...

Every cool man got leather jacket. You re not cool.

If you into leather you should PM clochard for an invite to the manly men club.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: mafiapl on April 22, 2016, 05:54:10 AM
Hellmai
H is for hello, that i wish to start with,
E makes me the explorer, that wanders the world,
L makes you laugh, because fun i do bring,
L again as in lunatic, because reason i have none,
M like mortality, i bleed so you can try,
A stands for army, which you will need,
I insprie, all that think hope is lost.

Sign me up for all factions.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 22, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
yey Hellmai is back
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Solo on April 22, 2016, 07:18:45 PM
yey Hellmai is back

Not in the family!
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 23, 2016, 06:49:14 AM
duno i met geymoi only while he waz law
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: KompreSor on April 23, 2016, 12:40:16 PM
for 95%, reloaded's The Muhosransk City will play in Familly.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 24, 2016, 08:25:39 AM
for 95%, reloaded's The Muhosransk City will play in Familly.

Well, it's not surprising :v
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Solo on April 24, 2016, 12:01:27 PM
for 95%, reloaded's The Muhosransk City will play in Familly.
Well, it's not surprising :v
Can you explain why it is not surprising?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 25, 2016, 03:16:35 AM
It was joke, cause many players from Muhosransk City are Russians.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 25, 2016, 03:19:10 AM
I guess family the Russian mafia :P
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Solo on April 25, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
I guess family the Russian mafia :P
You yourself are not afraid of the Russian mafia?)

OK. Muhosransk better than Siberian bears :)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on April 25, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
You yourself are not afraid of the Russian mafia?)

OK. Muhosransk better than Siberian bears :)

Family gonna have a civil war at launch :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: KompreSor on April 26, 2016, 04:06:51 AM
OK. Muhosransk better than Siberian bears :)
Siberian bears is a faction? i though is just one guy with this nickname.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Komrade on April 26, 2016, 08:45:55 AM
There wont be a need for civil war as long as we will have enemies to kill, and by the looks of it we will have more than enough  8)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: BG Sexpert on April 26, 2016, 11:45:26 AM
I am quite curious. With the HYPE being as large as it is, how will the faction balancing begin? I've heard rumors of groups as large as 30+ joining a specific faction.

I'd heard of incremental cost increases proportional to faction size imbalances. When will this take effect?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 26, 2016, 01:30:48 PM
duno i woul really like if all people would take the pool so if cirn0 balance implementation does not work at least we can join factions with some balance
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: wojciech on April 26, 2016, 02:44:35 PM
duno i woul really like if all people would take the pool so if cirn0 balance implementation does not work at least we can join factions with some balance

Dont worry, my faction wont be friendly for other random noobs in BB.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: RazorRamon on April 26, 2016, 03:09:43 PM
Dont worry, my faction wont be friendly for other random noobs in BB.

I'd be unfriendly too if i had to clean toilets all day

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/4/40/193atdcqkkuhkgif.gif)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on April 26, 2016, 03:44:28 PM
did you draw that gif it so funy
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on April 26, 2016, 03:57:00 PM
Dont worry, my faction wont be friendly for other random noobs in BB.


Hahaha  ;D

I'd be unfriendly too if i had to clean toilets all day

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/4/40/193atdcqkkuhkgif.gif)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Vassal on April 26, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
OK. Muhosransk better than Siberian bears :)
Siberian bears is a faction?
da, the russian faction. playing on the server fonline2
http://forum.fonline2.com/index.php?topic=16445.0
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: cirn0 on April 26, 2016, 06:26:03 PM
For Joining Factions:
We don't see it as reasonable to limit friends from playing with friends, doing so will only cause griefing to go up 1000% when a group gets forcefully split up. It is just not resonable at the moment for the fonline gang culture playerbase. That being said, there won't be a hard limit to restrict team stacking. Our hopes to alleviate swarming is to provide as much information to the players to make informed decisions about which faction you would want to join and provide faction switching as efficient and painless as possible. These features will mainly be available for players who wish to move from a populated faction to a least populated one.

While in the Factions:
CURRENTLY :
Activity in the core will generate CORE money. ( Active hours, zones can be worth perhaps 16x more than off hours )
Owning ZONES will give FACTION money from the CORE.
FACTION gives YOU money.
Your payment is split between all your ACTIVE faction mates, swarms "technically" get less per person.
Your salary is effected by your reputation vs the average reputation of your faction.

ACTIVE PLAYERS = More than 10k rep.

These payment ticks occur around ever hours.

You will be paid and rep will decay even if offline so you can do a hard day of ZC go to sleep, wake up, get your paycheck, buy more equipment to hordePvP.

The offline rep decay is currently logged but not put into effect, when it is enabled you will get a huge drop in reputation.
This decay should not bring you below 10k rep.

Reputation system will be changed a bit more to accommodate the 10k baseline. Friendly fire penalties will be changed from automatic punishment to manual punishment controlled by the victims.

In the immediate next few patches:

When I finish the core caravans, factions will only earn money when their caravans, which spawn in the zone travel across the core, reach the gates safely.

CTF will probably become a multiplier to the faction income.

This payment will be the primary source of caps in the future.
Heavy tuning will be done, currently the system is in testing on the live server, please provide bug reports and feedback.

Note this was implemented January 30, 2015, I've had a good time tuning this shit and watch the data. Its gotten to a state of "pretty good" and no infinite money bugs afaik. From what I've gathered, it does the job its designed for, rewarding less populated factions with more $ and lowering average payment to a populated faction.

Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 26, 2016, 06:55:50 PM
So bigger factions will be swarm, but smaller factions are going to get tech levels faster?  Then swarm will kill them and take their tier + weapons XD.

So serious question, does it make a difference if you wait to get money from becky when there are less players on?  Or are your credits already decided?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: cirn0 on April 26, 2016, 07:07:04 PM
Doesn't matter when you pickup your money
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: BG Sexpert on April 26, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Have the caravans been in effect? I've never actually seen one. Can we sign on to defend them?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on April 26, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
Have the caravans been in effect? I've never actually seen one. Can we sign on to defend them?
What????
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: MARXMAN on April 26, 2016, 10:34:31 PM
Looks like I'm finally going to Church


*ba dum tiss*
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on April 27, 2016, 05:55:37 AM
So bigger factions will be swarm, but smaller factions are going to get tech levels faster?  Then swarm will kill them and take their tier + weapons XD.


Or smaller factions would be able to buy back gear, to keep fighting agains't bigger faction.
I would be nice to have XP income from ZC also relater to numbers, so it won't be looted.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: powerplay on May 02, 2016, 04:48:04 AM
Due to our numbers and some expirience playing together - how other factions supose to stop us?
seems like people stopped you at first day already
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on May 02, 2016, 08:38:26 AM
We have holidays in Poland, most of us are not active. Things ll back to normal pretty soon.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on May 02, 2016, 08:53:48 PM
Due to our numbers and some expirience playing together - how other factions supose to stop us?
seems like people stopped you at first day already

Noone stopped us and our 4-players squad until we met 6+ Hounds.

See you tomorrow :D
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on May 03, 2016, 12:05:57 AM
We have holidays in Poland, most of us are not active. Things ll back to normal pretty soon.

Excuses are for the weak, AoP was too hard for the rouges  :'(
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: maszrum on May 03, 2016, 02:31:55 AM
of course :)

Even im not playing, maybe hour in total. Waiting for wipe, then pelna kurwa.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Mad Matt on May 03, 2016, 05:26:33 AM
Sralker, stop being e-bully  :'(
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on May 03, 2016, 07:00:31 AM
In waiting the moment he ask to join them...
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: PusiteGA on May 03, 2016, 07:24:00 AM
join who?
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Scalesan on May 03, 2016, 10:44:02 AM

Keep in mind that joining a faction next season will cost more money if the faction is already stacked and that with the way the ZC payouts work, active pvp players will earn more money in a smaller faction.



Once faction is old and mature, money will be not restrictive enough. Ofcourse i am considering new players being related to existing faction members, not just random players. So they can get money as welcome present from inside of huge faction.

Also I could spam enemy faction with several alts at the beginning of the season, just to prevent new members joining them?

What is the rational relation between count of all faction members and let's say "average player count in action"?

Are/will be players free to jump from one faction to another according to mechanism you have described in here?

Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: naossano on May 04, 2016, 03:58:59 AM
If i am not wrong, the number taken into accound is the number of active players, those who have a minimum ammount of reputation.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: faopcurious on May 04, 2016, 12:13:33 PM
Very surprised at how few lawyers there are, especially considering they have the best base =/
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: I love Clochard on May 04, 2016, 02:21:23 PM
Very surprised at how few lawyers there are, especially considering they have the best base =/
I think none of the any big factions joined them. I see only bunch of random who can't group up.
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: powerplay on May 04, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
there was bbs (bangbangsmash not brahminboys) playing in lawyers, they had even good numbers first days but seems like they ragequitted already
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Vassal on June 10, 2016, 11:56:05 AM
OK. Muhosransk better than Siberian bears :)
с чего бы вдруг ? хорошие люди - возможно, хорошие игроки - нет, хороших игроков на фо2 "мухосранцами" не назовут. ну и не я раздаю места, а история. и в мухе ничто не ограждает атмосферу от любителей взрослых женщин и персонажей с недержанием. а доказать что-либо в фолаче крайне сложно - разве что покопаться на форуме. что маловероятно

(http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1606/53/09bb6db495af.png)
Title: Re: Next Season Faction Balance
Post by: Madyson on June 10, 2016, 04:57:20 PM
OK. Muhosransk better than Siberian bears :)
с чего бы вдруг ? хорошие люди - возможно, хорошие игроки - нет, хороших игроков на фо2 "мухосранцами" не назовут. ну и не я раздаю места, а история. и в мухе ничто не ограждает атмосферу от любителей взрослых женщин и персонажей с недержанием. а доказать что-либо в фолаче крайне сложно - разве что покопаться на форуме. что маловероятно

(http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1606/53/09bb6db495af.png)


Причём тут фо2?
Это совершенно другой мухосранск с релодеда (причем истенный),с фо2 совсем другой коммюнити.