FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix
Game improvements => The Lobby => Topic started by: Kurwier on September 13, 2015, 05:48:06 PM
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reduce the relaod cost from 150 to 100 ; 150 ap relaod cost destroys the usage of this weapon since it already has limited range and huge ammo spending , u cant even spray 10 bursts like with a minigun per 100 ap , rest seems balanced with bullets that hit etc , just reload cost doesnt make sense ...
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as an avid m249 user im wondering what the community has to say about this
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I used to be a big fan as well. ATM i take minigun for same effect. So yes, buff.
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100 ap with FLA will cause a nice effect.
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
Nailed it.
What is rather fun is carrying one in either hand and then asking your team mates to cover you for 5 mins while reloading.
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...
aaaaay stalgur ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pOvrx685fo
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...
When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...
When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.
blyad u dont know how to shoot someone with a milkor when hes 15 hexes away from you , so how do u wanna know how chasing does function ?
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...
When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.
blyad u dont know how to shoot someone with a milkor when hes 15 hexes away from you , so how do u wanna know how chasing does function ?
Lol!
I was blinded you fool and you still died.
This is not the place discuss this.
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It makes perfect sense. With the SAW you have the ability to run while with the minigun you're a slug. So this is an okay from me with the high reload cost.
Only thing I see that needs a buff is the range and that's pretty much it.
i understand the balance from the weapon itself but like i said it already has far less range than a minigun far more reload cost and if u compare with the avenger even then it got less range and avenger doesnt even has a reload coast , so i think this reload coast needs some reduction if u keep the range and rest like it is . because right now its better to take a minigun or an avenger even when u can only walk but thats not a big trait off with all the other + u get from the big guns ...
When chasing feeling enemies, it's a great tool. Beats minigun then.
blyad u dont know how to shoot someone with a milkor when hes 15 hexes away from you , so how do u wanna know how chasing does function ?
Lol!
I was blinded you fool and you still died.
This is not the place discuss this.
this is the place to be suuuka , u never used saw so u dont know what u talking about plus we all know your godlike performances with miniguns or avengers ...
only one i really remember who used it frequently was teela and then after some nerfs ive rarely seen one in any combat and when i ask about why i get reloadcost thrown at me as an arument , thats why i brought up this topic in the first place ...
if its balanced why nobody uses it then , if its that great to chase someone ? why i see people chasing enemy with avenger , minigun instead on recent videos ?
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SAW's spread and ability for fast crowd control is more than a supplement for reload time, for me it is mostly secondary weapon for smoke shooting and insane crowd-rushes counter. If I want to use LMG as my primary I would better take L86 or BAR.
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betetr use avenger with no reload cost for crowd controll , bigger spread , less ap , and so on and so on ... every human being with brain choose minigun or avenger over the saw atm which explains probably the non existent of seeing a saw in battles ... so that running , reloadcost argument is invalid ...
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Every human being with brain and heavy weapons skill. I lack the latter, so I use SAW. Not to mention no-running penalty. Also I use it and also looted some from lawyers in sunday evening battles, so I suppose you just don't play or don't pay attention to what is used by other players. To tell the truth most people say miniguns a better than most MG's, but for me LMG's are friendlier and more forgiving for control mistakes I do. So for me SAW supplements the need in crowd control weapon. Maybe it should be tweaked, but only carefully, so we don't get some another meta-weapon covering half the map in the spray of bullets.
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A month ago nobody was using deagle.
Now I hear that deagle is meta.
There were no changes in this time for 14mm and deagle.
Conclusion: people sometimes do not use guns not because they are bad.
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A month ago nobody was using deagle.
Now I hear that deagle is meta.
There were no changes in this time for 14mm and deagle.
Conclusion: people sometimes do not use guns not because they are bad.
Nailed it.
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haha a month ago moozambique did worked also with all guns than only with pistols so get your facts right ...
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I wouldn't complain about less AP requirement for that weapon.
But wouldn't it be possible to have the AP cost different depending of how many ammo you are reloading ? And the possibility to reload ammos one than one ? (or 10 by 10)
I enjoyed the remington in the early cession, when you could choose between adding a few ammos at a time and have a small loss of AP, or adding all ammos at once and lose all your AP at once. So if you felt that there were too many risk around you, you would slowly reload. If you felt secure enough, you would reload all at once and stand still for a few minutes.
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Good suggestion.
I agree with it, that reload cost should be reduced to 100.
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I've looked into the matter and from what I've gathered even 100 is steep:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNeNxuEOvto
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That's some 100 agility character on your vid, this one is normal:
https://youtu.be/uZ2SWWDt8Wg?t=3m6s (https://youtu.be/uZ2SWWDt8Wg?t=3m6s)
reload duration 3:14 - 3:38, jammed, unjamming from 3:40 - 4:06
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ok, from now on teela can play with 30 round stanag mags
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lol john. btw i think that guy in vid is a lawyer who didnt repair his gun before going to ZC with taliban.
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That's some 100 agility character on your vid, this one is normal:
https://youtu.be/uZ2SWWDt8Wg?t=3m6s (https://youtu.be/uZ2SWWDt8Wg?t=3m6s)
reload duration 3:14 - 3:38, jammed, unjamming from 3:40 - 4:06
LOL typicall murricans , im shootin , what de fuck ... that afghan boy got more nutz than these guys lel they dont even know where the enym is even get out of roundz hahahaha and then that shooting god dam he was lucky that he didnt received a shot . also lol at their shooting technique over the wall , they probably played too much playstation while they werent in a firefight hahaha , i could understand that if they wud shoot around a corner but they pointing the guns into the air most the time , just lel ... but nuthing suprises me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnufPs2TA54
thinking that nato 5.56 is the shit is hilarious in itself , its some deadly close range weapon in real life but some 7.62 calibre wud have been better to blast that guys out of the area in the first video ... but well trend is going to smaller calibres anyway ... and the weapon industry should be happy sseing all dat ammowasting kek , from what i see its very easy to reload that gun , i bet some special trained soldier can reload that thing in some sec without packing the used mag back into the ammobag lel
it seems very easy , just put out old mag get a new one out adjust the first case with the belt and cock ...
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As for me it's typical smoke-detected or night AoP minigun shooting.
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but anyway its some lightmachine gun so im asking why it has equal reload cost to some huge thing like minigun , it doenst make sense ... because ofcourse u will reload a lightmachine gun faster in all circumstances than a heavy machine gun or minigun , not to say that miniguns mostly non moblie weapons typically on some helicopters or other stuff installed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X01OSr3Ndec
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It's pretty sad you still didn't get it. Not surprised though.
This game isn't designed to be realistic or even logical or intuitively understandable. Unfortunately.
Item appearance and names are just "user-friendly" images/names of unknown to the laws of physics or human history imaginary-fantasy items.
Don't try to apply real world analogs to argument.
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blyad even ingame high reload cost doenst make sense , espeically for an mobile type of wepaon ... so get your facts right
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZWGkLxl.jpg)