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[Klot]

I really liked this server alot until i saw this thread.
Serious, Devs did a great job, i like this world.....

But: wtf are you thinking Kink? Have you ever been to ZC?
Come onto ANY Temspeak/Mumble i bet its the same. Players complaining about randoms running around, blocking the PvPers that took a certain positon, looting, running around impatiently like beheaded chickens.
If i deploy my BG and i have 1 or 2 non-squadmembers with fucking rifles infront of me, i shoot. I tell them once to move. if there is no battle i might even explain why, but if we engage enemy that nub has to learn about burstlines the hard way.

Maybe he even does realise his mistake and moves. Into the firingline of the next burster.
So TL DR: curious nub walks infront of PvP Squad during battle. And i get - by your new carebear rule - the ban?
Wtf where you thinking when posting that shit ?

Edit: Players not playing the game the way Devs wanted them to is what killed 2238. Think about it.

[hell]

Agree, don't forget to mention that defending faction must attack first and leave their postition cuz some random noob decided to embrace enemy himself or rush to loot enemy or ours in middle of fight giving them free points. Better kill those bluesuits before enemy does.

This is not about TK's.
LAW MUST BE ENFORCED !

[wojciech]

"You re just sayin that Your truth is better than my truth ye ? You know what is democaracy or maybe You re living in North Korea?"
You do understand that you act the EXACTLY SAME WAY to everyone else on this server? Every argument of yours is "my truth is better than yours". And btw, by all means why are you not banned already? There is a giant updated warning in game rules that TKers will be banned, and here you are with:
"You re sayin perma ban for TK, so I will ask why ban for it? I cant have fun with killing some retards in my faction? It gives me a lot of fun and makes me happy more than participating in ZC."

Banned for ? Writing my opinion? It is not North Korea. Read about 2238 how it ended when developers forced players to do some strange things...We dont want the same mistakes on AoP thats why we re discussing, mr Sherlock.

[Myakot]

You are not only "writing" your opinion, you TK all over, you've said it yourself.
What's up with NK? What does it even have to do with this situation? I though that every country prohibits killing fellow citizens.
Banned for? For breaking game rules! Is that reason not enough or what?

[Kelly]

If people are so eager to go out and kill other players seperate of ZC, why not juat join a smaller faction? Some factions (Family 4 lief) are quite lacking in numbers, and you'd have no problem just journeying out into the wasteland and killing off a few looters. You'd (maybe) even get a nice little fight going, too. The only reason people are arguing against this whole TK ban is because they enjoy leeching off the gear of unsuspecting players.

For punishing looters, just be patient. If you've been paying attention you should know that the ban on TKing is temporary. The reputation system is diligently being worked on by developers. Everyone just needs to be patient as they figure out a way to make things fair, a task I'm sure is far from easy.

[Kink]

Edit: Players not playing the game the way Devs wanted them to is what killed 2238. Think about it.

Maybe, but Team Killing as we see it in the Lawyer faction is even worst, killing the game 3 weeks after the release. What we saw was just anti-game. This temporary rule is for the best right now, unless players behave smarter.

[paragon]

Let's imagine you played for quite long and got pretty much of items in your room. E.g. for craft. They are hard to replace, cuz they are heavy weighted.
Some of players will need several hours to put those things to a different faction.
Also there's no proof it won't happen again in there.

Banned for ? Writing my opinion? It is not North Korea. Read about 2238 how it ended when developers forced players to do some strange things...We dont want the same mistakes on AoP thats why we re discussing, mr Sherlock.

As far as I've seen you said that this server sux in many things, and still you're trying to force to go "the right way". Also I've even seen you said you won't play this server until wipe, aren't you? I'm not 100% sure.
Do not try to apply others' servers rules to this one, it doesn't follow your idea of Fallout, it has its own way and "mistakes" made on different server could have a success in here.

The truth is that some "Pro bands" are believing that they are cool enough to determine the way of all players in "their" faction should play. Sometimes it's correct because "feeding enemy free points" and other stuff is obviously wrong, but it's abusable.

[John Porno]

Maybe he even does realise his mistake and moves. Into the firingline of the next burster.
So TL DR: curious nub walks infront of PvP Squad during battle. And i get - by your new carebear rule - the ban?
Wtf where you thinking when posting that shit ?

The ban only really applies to intentional teamkilling. Killing randoms because they were stupid enough to walk in front of a deployed machinegunner falls in the accidental category.

And no, for everyone that's trying to exploit what I said just now, it does NOT mean that all teamkilling is suddenly legit just because you used an mg.

[Fayfay]

[Captain Chilly]

i'm not sure about how al lthe squad gets punished thing, beucase for example, in the family, we usually form huge squads, promote a bit of people and leave it like that, squads have Dozens of people in them, so if one player PKs i don't think ti's qutie fair to punish all other squadmates, unless  ,of course, if you punish those who were with him

the mark or forgive system would work quite well, actually

[John Porno]

you have to differentiate between squads and platoons. I was talking about the platoons and I guess everybody else was as well.

[Butthead]

Ok so in result tk is allowed or not allowed or something?

[Deathproof]

Its shame people who are complaining against the rule can't put themselves in a situation of a completely new fonline players. I played on 2238 and fo2 and I know whole mentality wasteland is harsh. But there it was every man for himself (unless you were part of the faction).

We have a different situation here, 4 factions in a war. But people hold the same mentality every man for himself here. Now imagine if you are completely new to this game and you think, oh sweet I got loads of teammates they will protect me and we will together fight the enemy, just to find out later 2 guys shot him after 1 hour of scavenging so they can get loot free and easy ? Thats why the rule was implemented. For those attentional non team behavior.

I've been in zc situation where there are noobs looting and opening doors and not listening, yes it went on my nerves but I shrugged it off, next time I'll be smarter not to call out on main chat and will make a squad for it. Or the next time that guy that didn't listen calls for help on the gate or wherever nobody will show up and he will start to understand.

TL.DR. Its not the same fonline as others and there are bunch of noobs that never played fonline in general. Let them learn, no need to be an asshole

[wojciech]

Its not the same fonline as others and there are bunch of noobs that never played fonline in general. Let them learn, no need to be an asshole

Newbies. Ye but sadly always old players will beat those new cuz they dont know mechanic of that game and for 90 % newbies ends with quitting game

Solution for it is to teach teamates in Your "military camp". But we have no military base.

[Klot]

Yes i was told about the fuckery going on in that faction. Ban those jerks if Tespis can't keep them in check. I would say the same about my own squadmembers if anyone misbehaved that way, show him the door.
But it is still madness to make it a general rule.
I predict waves of nubscreenshots after every larger Pvp action.
It's going a bad way imho.

TL.DR. Its not the same fonline as others and there are bunch of noobs that never played fonline in general. Let them learn, no need to be an asshole

Thats the main challenge at the moment and i sense there are two types of veterans trying to solve the problem either by reason or superior firepower. Thats why at least to some degree i understand BBS's actions. (BangBangSmash, not Brahminboys dear new Players) A litle bit of harshnes is needed to get the I-played-NewVegas-dont-lecture-me players line.
A litle bit. Like a litle cold in the autumn is good for your imunesystem. But BBS is like fucking ebola and needs to be put in check.

Oh my, we tried. We tried inviting them to our TS. We tried to convince them they are missing a vital part of the game if they rely on factionchat.
But they know so litle, they have no means to imagine how much they suck.
It's like Plato's allegory of the cave. We even have Chatarmy PvP leaders.

[Kink]

I agree with the fact  : this general rule sucks, but we didn't have other choices, and it's why it's temporary.

As i told in another topic : picture can't be a proof, Gm have to be witness of what happen, we can't be here all the time, but keep in mind that we will not joking if we see players crossing the line.

Just be patient, we are not 20 developers on the project so keep in mind we are fixing bugs by priorities, with the time we have. Your arguments are all valid, and i share this point of view, i'd like to have others options but unless we fix the reputation abuse issue wich is allowing some players to do whatever they want, we don't have the choice or it's players hemorragy.

Be sure, as we worked until now, we are doing our best to provide you the best experience possible.