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[Kink]

Mojuk, some people of your team have been seen by myself, and not only, killing people for examples i given, in the worst case imaginable, so even if i understand part of yours words(nobody want loose or get insulted), on other hand you should understand that we cannot let the situation like this. I have report of full groups of players in the Lawyers faction who want leave the game because of some of your mates.

Until past days, shooting to warn a troll or a looter was ok, but mass killing other teams because they don't help "enough", they are not "good enough", or not "stuffed enough" or just because they cross you and some of your guys have "problems" with blue suits, it's just impossible.

How would you people enhance their skills or stay calm and not trolling in this case ?

Even after a battle won, your guys are capable to kill people looting their own loots ! Ok mistakes can happen, but the fact is fact.

Players have differents playing styles, and you played enough FOnline in the past to know there always been trolls and looters, and trust me, we would like to avoid it too. For others issue, just be patient.

[wojciech]

For infos :
http://fonline-aop.net/forum/index.php?topic=1550.msg10763#new

Guys, we are at this point because some players thinking they can do whatever they want and ruin other players experience : killing others people from their faction for total random purpose like "not enough good stuff for ZC", "i hate blue suits", "this guy is a spy from V-tech", etc.

What about other side? What if I tell you that they ruin everyone else experience? Just by trolling or behaving like idiots.
- not enough good stuff for ZC and feeding enemy team with free points during ZC
- looting our guys, who we can still defibrillate, making them unable to fight
- limiting their contribution to actions to hiding, looting and running away
Those are all things that can ruin pvp/game experience and also good reasons to kill somebody asap.
Nobody likes to be team killed, sure, but sometimes there is good reason for this. And maybe instead on crying they should start thinking why...

+over 9000

Kink developers will never win with exploiters and trolls in that game

[John Porno]

mojuk, you are raising valid points and even in v tec, while we didnt have any teamkilling, we lost a few battles against lawyers due to score when our main force had done quite well.

However, we both know the fonline community long enough to know that some people are a lot more trigger happy than others, especially in BBS. It's is no surprise nor coincidence that the known "pk's" from 2238 get all the teamkill reports now.

As other people have said, this is something the players themselves have to find a solution for. Of course the current reputation system is flawed as you can simply pay for your sins by donating more relics for rep. However, I've also been getting reports of players wanting to leave lawyers so they don't have to play with such immature people.

I believe in the fonline spirit that everyone should be able to be killed (almost) everywhere so friendly fire will not be turned off: Instead, the players themselves should get the opportunity to punish those who teamkill. If a team of players wants to play that way, then the game mechanics should allow the rest of the community to sanction that behavior and I hope we can develop the game in a way where it's more effective than now.

[wojciech]

mojuk, you are raising valid points and even in v tec, while we didnt have any teamkilling, we lost a few battles against lawyers due to score when our main force had done quite well.

However, we both know the fonline community long enough to know that some people are a lot more trigger happy than others, especially in BBS. It's is no surprise nor coincidence that the known "pk's" from 2238 get all the teamkill reports now.

As other people have said, this is something the players themselves have to find a solution for. Of course the current reputation system is flawed as you can simply pay for your sins by donating more relics for rep. However, I've also been getting reports of players wanting to leave lawyers so they don't have to play with such immature people.

I believe in the fonline spirit that everyone should be able to be killed (almost) everywhere so friendly fire will not be turned off: Instead, the players themselves should get the opportunity to punish those who teamkill. If a team of players wants to play that way, then the game mechanics should allow the rest of the community to sanction that behavior and I hope we can develop the game in a way where it's more effective than now.

Next important thing is that some playes just dont want do pvp, they are interested in scavenging or exploring so we must respect all gamestyles, not only pure pvp. Thats why people are complaining on BBS, cuz BBS are well known like pro masters.

[greenthumb]

What if I tell you that they ruin everyone else experience? Just by trolling or behaving like idiots.
...
- looting our guys, who we can still defibrillate, making them unable to fight
...

What if I tell you that your own mates do the same? This lunoi guy is gypsylooter more than any of your victims.

[Butthead]

create another faction for them "dumbasses" or something

[mojuk]

I'm not saying we are saint (we are far from that) and I know "that some people are a lot more trigger happy than others". I'm aware of some needless kills while scavenging and such but usually they are explained by more or less valid reason, apart from those it's just stupid to do so, ok, agree and such situations should not be tolerated.

My main point however was ZC related kills. Sometimes it may look like unjustified and random kill but if some person was spotted many times doing all those unacceptable things it's only natural you don't want this to happen again. You can try to talk but this usually does not work and only thing you can do is shot. We are trying to limit such actions but sometimes people get too frustrated seeing such behavior repeating over and over again.

Kink it's not like that, that if somebody will not get very good score in ZC or don't come with top gear than we have to kill him. We had many new players or simply loners fighting with us with regular or low gear and they were doing just fine helping their team as much as they were able to. It's people who take jacket + random gun just to baypass ZC gear limitation and go there as vultures. You can see there are people who come, have 0 or almost none score, always stay in back or hidden in building but when somebody drop dead they are first to loot and run.

[greenthumb]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

[wojciech]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

[greenthumb]

there is always solution, you have to look for it.

[PorkchopExpress]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

Whos forcing you to anything?Don't want to play with other "noobs"?.Fine, there's a solution to that.Play factionless,kill whoever you want but don't expect you'll have same treatment  as those guys in faction.Meaning,no room to stash your stuff,you gotta find somewhere else to stash it.no help from others, but hey,you can go on killing spree against everybody because you know,BBS and all other pros don't need anyone else,others are just in their way.If you dont like it that way, FO2/Reloaded/TLA is in other direction.And for those who start TK perma ban.As for other members looting your stuff.Why not implement that for first few minutes only squad members can loot each other,and after timer is off,it's FFA.

[wojciech]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

Whos forcing you to anything?Don't want to play with other "noobs"?.Fine, there's a solution to that.Play factionless,kill whoever you want but don't expect you'll have same treatmenglow.gift  as those guys in faction.Meaning,no room to stash your stuff,you gotta find somewhere else to stash it.no help from others, but hey,you can go on killing spree against everybody because you know,BBS and all other pros don't need anyone else,others are just in theirI way.f you dont like it that way, FO2/Reloaded/TLA is in other direction.And for those who start TK perma ban.As for other members looting your stuff.Why not implement that for first few minutes only squad members can loot each other,and after timer is off,it's FFA.

You re making good anti advertisement for AoP. "If You re not happy on that server, fuck off and go play other servers". So mature... 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

Lol is the Teamkilling problem that bad on Lawyers? I had a teamkill incident once in The Family and I was shooting some polish guy because he looted from a dead friend whose stuff I was guarding (I think he didn't understand me when I told him to stay away from the stuff). I didn't even kill him, I just sent him into minus HP and then he fled because I didn't know about regen at the time. Even then, karma exists - Golden Geckos ate him in the end while fleeing with his ill-gotten gains and we got my friend's stuff back!

We are too busy shooting swarms to shoot at each other, I guess. Family doesn't shoot Family, or as the wise sage BLOBERT was recorded to have said - BROS DON'T SHOOT BROS IN COLD BOLD BRO!

[PorkchopExpress]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

Whos forcing you to anything?Don't want to play with other "noobs"?.Fine, there's a solution to that.Play factionless,kill whoever you want but don't expect you'll have same treatmenglow.gift  as those guys in faction.Meaning,no room to stash your stuff,you gotta find somewhere else to stash it.no help from others, but hey,you can go on killing spree against everybody because you know,BBS and all other pros don't need anyone else,others are just in theirI way.f you dont like it that way, FO2/Reloaded/TLA is in other direction.And for those who start TK perma ban.As for other members looting your stuff.Why not implement that for first few minutes only squad members can loot each other,and after timer is off,it's FFA.

You re making good anti advertisement for AoP. "If You re not happy on that server, fuck off and go play other servers". So mature...

Don't understand what exactly you want?For server to change entire concept?They never aimed or will ever aim to be as other Fonline server,devs said it themselves countless of times.It's simple, you guys want to change one of core mechanics,it doesn't work that way.You don't like the concept,the main idea of server?Don't play it,simple as that,who's forcing you?Funny thing is ,AOP actually gives you choices and to do as you want,to go factionless if you want but it's not recommended,because it wasn't inteded that way,but you can STILL DO IT if YOU WANT.Nobody is forcing anyone to anything here.

[wojciech]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

Whos forcing you to anything?Don't want to play with other "noobs"?.Fine, there's a solution to that.Play factionless,kill whoever you want but don't expect you'll have same treatmenglow.gift  as those guys in faction.Meaning,no room to stash your stuff,you gotta find somewhere else to stash it.no help from others, but hey,you can go on killing spree against everybody because you know,BBS and all other pros don't need anyone else,others are just in theirI way.f you dont like it that way, FO2/Reloaded/TLA is in other direction.And for those who start TK perma ban.As for other members looting your stuff.Why not implement that for first few minutes only squad members can loot each other,and after timer is off,it's FFA.

You re making good anti advertisement for AoP. "If You re not happy on that server, fuck off and go play other servers". So mature...

Don't understand what exactly you want?For server to change entire concept?They never aimed or will ever aim to be as other Fonline server,devs said it themselves countless of times.It's simple, you guys want to change one of core mechanics,it doesn't work that way.You don't like the concept,the main idea of server?Don't play it,simple as that,who's forcing you?Funny thing is ,AOP actually gives you choices and to do as you want,to go factionless if you want but it's not recommended,because it wasn't inteded that way,but you can STILL DO IT if YOU WANT.Nobody is forcing anyone to anything here.

You re sayin perma ban for TK, so I will ask why ban for it? I cant have fun with killing some retards in my faction? It gives me a lot of fun and makes me happy more than participating in ZC.

You re just sayin that Your truth is better than my truth ye ? You know what is democaracy or maybe You re living in North Korea?

[PorkchopExpress]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

Whos forcing you to anything?Don't want to play with other "noobs"?.Fine, there's a solution to that.Play factionless,kill whoever you want but don't expect you'll have same treatmenglow.gift  as those guys in faction.Meaning,no room to stash your stuff,you gotta find somewhere else to stash it.no help from others, but hey,you can go on killing spree against everybody because you know,BBS and all other pros don't need anyone else,others are just in theirI way.f you dont like it that way, FO2/Reloaded/TLA is in other direction.And for those who start TK perma ban.As for other members looting your stuff.Why not implement that for first few minutes only squad members can loot each other,and after timer is off,it's FFA.

You re making good anti advertisement for AoP. "If You re not happy on that server, fuck off and go play other servers". So mature...

Don't understand what exactly you want?For server to change entire concept?They never aimed or will ever aim to be as other Fonline server,devs said it themselves countless of times.It's simple, you guys want to change one of core mechanics,it doesn't work that way.You don't like the concept,the main idea of server?Don't play it,simple as that,who's forcing you?Funny thing is ,AOP actually gives you choices and to do as you want,to go factionless if you want but it's not recommended,because it wasn't inteded that way,but you can STILL DO IT if YOU WANT.Nobody is forcing anyone to anything here.

You re sayin perma ban for TK, so I will ask why ban for it? I cant have fun with killing some retards in my faction? It gives me a lot of fun and makes me happy more than participating in ZC.

You re just sayin that Your truth is better than my truth ye ? You know what is democaracy or maybe You re living in North Korea?

Democracy?Dude,seriously?Did you read the game rules before starting this server?You agreed to those before making character.Your freedom stops where another man's begins.It's MMO,means you play with other people,means you cannot go around killing other players from same faction and ruining their fun.It's written in freaking Game Rules,you should check them.For those idiots who loot your or someone else's  stuff,that can be solved,  i stated  one of solutions in earlier posts.As far as i'm concerned go kill your "retards" but don't come whining on forum asking for unban(not pointing you,could be anyone).I'll repeat myself once more,you're not supposed kill your own faction members,it's not how game was designed.If you want to kill everyone go factionless or another server where you don't play in big factions.

[wojciech]

At the start i am gona just mention, if you demand some kind of behaviour from others, be sure you arent acting in opposite, otherway whole your message might come pointless.

I know this kind of players exists and usualy there is no way to prevent them doing that, but i am not here to solve this increasing problem, its you who should try to find/suggest solution at this point, becouse mass scale frendly fire isnt proper solution at all.

It is impossible to fix it, cuz people are FORCED to play together, people dont like to be forced to do somthing that they didnt want to.

Whos forcing you to anything?Don't want to play with other "noobs"?.Fine, there's a solution to that.Play factionless,kill whoever you want but don't expect you'll have same treatmenglow.gift  as those guys in faction.Meaning,no room to stash your stuff,you gotta find somewhere else to stash it.no help from others, but hey,you can go on killing spree against everybody because you know,BBS and all other pros don't need anyone else,others are just in theirI way.f you dont like it that way, FO2/Reloaded/TLA is in other direction.And for those who start TK perma ban.As for other members looting your stuff.Why not implement that for first few minutes only squad members can loot each other,and after timer is off,it's FFA.

You re making good anti advertisement for AoP. "If You re not happy on that server, fuck off and go play other servers". So mature...

Don't understand what exactly you want?For server to change entire concept?They never aimed or will ever aim to be as other Fonline server,devs said it themselves countless of times.It's simple, you guys want to change one of core mechanics,it doesn't work that way.You don't like the concept,the main idea of server?Don't play it,simple as that,who's forcing you?Funny thing is ,AOP actually gives you choices and to do as you want,to go factionless if you want but it's not recommended,because it wasn't inteded that way,but you can STILL DO IT if YOU WANT.Nobody is forcing anyone to anything here.

You re sayin perma ban for TK, so I will ask why ban for it? I cant have fun with killing some retards in my faction? It gives me a lot of fun and makes me happy more than participating in ZC.

You re just sayin that Your truth is better than my truth ye ? You know what is democaracy or maybe You re living in North Korea?

Democracy?Dude,seriously?Did you read the game rules before starting this server?You agreed to those before making character.Your freedom stops where another man's begins.It's MMO,means you play with other people,means you cannot go around killing other players from same faction and ruining their fun.It's written in freaking Game Rules,you should check them.For those idiots who loot your or someone else's  stuff,that can be solved,  i stated  one of solutions in earlier posts.As far as i'm concerned go kill your "retards" but don't come whining on forum asking for unban(not pointing you,could be anyone).I'll repeat myself once more,you're not supposed kill your own faction members,it's not how game was designed.If you want to kill everyone go factionless or another server where you don't play in big factions.

There will not be solution,never. If it is sitiation with 2 people, its one word against second word, so even screenshoots are not full evidence...like hmm car accident without witness. If you re alone and you re victim is hard to prove it(in some cases its impossible).

[greenthumb]

stop using quotes retards ^^

[PorkchopExpress]

Yes but you're looking it wrong way.You need to check what's the reason behind pk itself.If its just because you hate someone,and you repeat pks many times against one guy then you should be banned.If it's because hes looting your teams' stuff there s a solution to that.Only problematic one is if you believe somebody is spy,don't really see a way to detect it.Maybe start checking were you attacked by enemy faction from behind every time x player was playing with you and then report to dev to monitor him or something?Everything can be solved but it requires will to work from both sides;devs and players.But every time one of those "im untouchable pro,bow down to me" in my own faction starts killing one of my teammates i'll enjoy pking them ,no matter the cost.Interesting how few bad mouths destroy order within faction....

[Myakot]

"You re just sayin that Your truth is better than my truth ye ? You know what is democaracy or maybe You re living in North Korea?"
You do understand that you act the EXACTLY SAME WAY to everyone else on this server? Every argument of yours is "my truth is better than yours". And btw, by all means why are you not banned already? There is a giant updated warning in game rules that TKers will be banned, and here you are with:
"You re sayin perma ban for TK, so I will ask why ban for it? I cant have fun with killing some retards in my faction? It gives me a lot of fun and makes me happy more than participating in ZC."