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[3.14]

I know that the bug when grenades used from the utility slot get unequipped was reported twice or more, but the same happens when using them from the weapon slot

[cirn0]

I don't have the heart to tell you

[Perteks]

Poor cirno he don't have heart

Lets make charity auction for new heart for cirno

[Smalltime]

I'll do it.
It's not a bug.

Grenades in AoP are much more situational than in other FOnlines. They aren't really meant to be used as your main weapons, they are meant to be supplemental to combat. That is why the utility slot was created, actually, so that you could throw a grenade without compromising your main slots, and so you don't have to spend the time switching to it from your weapon.
Hit E, toss your potato, and get tactical.

If you want to use incend/smokes in rapid succession, I recommend the grenade pistol.

[3.14]

That sux, bad design ;(
Why not just make them use 100 ap?
Or make them non-stacking (I could then put one in each slot) ?

They cost a lot, have low range, do ~30 dmg, you need good (?) str to use them and 200 points in a support skill (but no weapon perks for that), from time to time fly 20 hex of aim, they blow after a delay and you can use only one.
Limits like they  where tactical mini nukes, but you can't even kill a dog with 'em.

And then there's the Incinerator, Milkor, Grenade Pistol ( and Plasma Cannon, and Rocket Luncher- but these have their sweet cost) that do the same task as grenades only cheaper, better, further.

A plasma grenade will do ~60dmg (or less) to anyone in Metal or Combat armor, would it realy break the game if I could use two of em in a row?

[mAdman]

would it realy break the game if I could use two of em in a row?

Maybe not but imaging 10 people throwing 2-3 at a time >.>

Could get quite nasty quite fast.

[Myakot]

@3.14

Grenades have no delay with 200 throwing, besides they are not about doing damage. Stun nade for an example has an astonishing aoe and de-buff length with 200 thr.

[paragon]

they are not that weak as you say.
although design is really not very comfortable.

[3.14]

Wouldn't 10 people shooting Milkor at once be just as bad?

And if nades are not about damage then what about plasma?

I am handicapped, drag-and-drop is painful for me   and I'm a step away from writing a script that will re-equip grenades. Don't make me do that.

[mAdman]

True.

Surprised I haven't seen that used as a strategy yet.

Milkor swaaaarm!

[Deathproof]

Wouldn't 10 people shooting Milkor at once be just as bad?

And if nades are not about damage then what about plasma?

I am handicapped, drag-and-drop is painful for me   and I'm a step away from writing a script that will re-equip grenades. Don't make me do that.

Do eeeet

[Smalltime]

That sux, bad design ;(

"I don't like it, that means it is bad design."

Also, your build isn't nerfed, use spears. With 200 throwing they are like lasers.
Grenades simply aren't intended to be used as your main weapon in AoP.

[John Porno]

That sux, bad design ;(
Why not just make them use 100 ap?
Or make them non-stacking (I could then put one in each slot) ?

They cost a lot, have low range, do ~30 dmg, you need good (?) str to use them and 200 points in a support skill (but no weapon perks for that), from time to time fly 20 hex of aim, they blow after a delay and you can use only one.
Limits like they  where tactical mini nukes, but you can't even kill a dog with 'em.

And then there's the Incinerator, Milkor, Grenade Pistol ( and Plasma Cannon, and Rocket Luncher- but these have their sweet cost) that do the same task as grenades only cheaper, better, further.

A plasma grenade will do ~60dmg (or less) to anyone in Metal or Combat armor, would it realy break the game if I could use two of em in a row?

The point is that the util slot and the de-equiping enables us to put the ap cost to smth like 20 since the alternative, as you said, would be to set it to 100ap. The whole point is though taht you can quickly throw a grenade and without even having to switch to another slot, you have 80ap free to spend on doing other actions, enabling you to come up wiht useful combinations.

And this is why you first think before blaming the design.

[3.14]

If the idea was that grenades are to be used once per ... I don't know how long... then they should have a cooldown or high AP cost. I don't like this idea, true. But I'm not saying it's a bad idea. Maybe one should use just one of them per fight? Who am I to tell?

But adding a 'pin the tail on the ass' gui minigame of finding them nades in the inventory to stop grenade showers IS bad design. And even more so when other,  similar weapons don't have this feature. To make it fair reloading other weapons should work by dragging bullets in the inventory one by one - nobody (sane) would want that! 

If nothing will change then it would be nice to have this listed as an official feature on the wiki so that stupid blond people (Yours Truly) don't mistake it for a bug again

EDIT:
Sorry, didn't read John Porno post before posting.

The topic is about using grenades from the weapon slot. Couldn't the grenade stay in hand when using it from the weapon slot? You can even add+50AP cost to counter the re-equip cost. Wouldn't this be a better design then gui-kung-fu?

[Myakot]

There's not need to get so defensive ><.

Spoiler for Hiden:

Just remember than you are never standing out in the open for pvp, you almost always have a shit ton of time to take cover and re-arrange your gear, so what's the problem?

[3.14]

I'm cool, not mad, it just look that way.
**hides her pitchfor and burning torches, calls off the mob**

The pvp I'm in are:
A) 1 or 2 enemies running away and me with a hammer (or of late a cow-prod) running after them.
B) walking into a 10+ swarm (because my toon is half-blind)

There is no time for inventory magic.

In scenario A a frag will push the enemy away and if not ~30-40 dmg + bleed is not enough to make them stop to FA/DOC. One plasma nade is also to low on dmg. Fire nade? I'll run into it-bad. I will try flashbang - didn't have a chance to try that. If I stop to 'reload' I will never find them again (because my toon is half-blind)

In scenario B -nothing I can throw will make a difference.  2x frag would make some of them stop for a moment giving my team a  chance to fight or flee even if I die.

[Smalltime]

Frags give a tremendous amount of bleed. Two in succession would render everyone hit useless, as they try to fix themselves. If you're trying to stop ten guys from following you, you're best off either smoking, or tossing an incendiary behind you, and just running.

[Myakot]

@3.14
Just throw a freaking stun nade o_0. It applies winded, that's why I say that damage is not a primary stat for a nade.

Whelp, if you run into a swarm of 10+ people even a nade buff won't help you much, that situation is not related to the topic at all. (use a smoke, pop a voodoo?)

[paragon]

It applies winded, which applies +10 DR xD

[Smalltime]

It applies winded, which applies +10 DR xD

but more importantly, forced walk.