Print

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

Currently sneakers are just bullshit atm. There are sneak squads running around, killing players almost instantly with weapons that are not mean't to be used by sneakers. Not to mention a sneaker can easily kill 1 player if left alone with him. Worst part these sneakers aren't contesting zones anymore and with Hound swarm owning The Whole Core, its impossible for a faction or group to start something without getting harassed by sneaks.

With my experience of playing sneak, I do believe I'm in a position to argue.

Now it's not the way sneaking works that makes them to predators, its the weapons they're using. IMO it should be changed to this.

• Add new trait to certain weapons called Concealment, weapons with this trait are allowed to go into sneak mode, weapons without it just desneak entirely (No more AEK, Snipers, Deagle sneaks)
• Needler and Waki currently only viable sneak weapons, but they're too strong. Waki can easily kill someone and needler can kill someone if they're wounded. These weapons should be changed immediately, to what? Needler should only be used for Sneak Vs. Sneak, not sneak killing a guy in CA. And waki should remove 2x Silent death, add 2x KO strike and make it a melee weapon.
• Add Soflam to the game, decrease the weight so sneakers can use this to make enemies seen for your squad.
• Soflam grenades? Let's see if papa cirn0 can add this :V
• Sneak and Traps - Since sneaks won't be able to have insta killing weapons, sneakers should have access to traps.
• VS-50 Mine : A small, anti-personnel mine that is  lightweight, and use to cripple enemies. This way if a sneak can predict enemy movement, he can place mines to prevent their escape while your team catches up to him. These are just mean't to severely cripple, not do 200 dmg. Inventory Picture
• Current Traps : Currently these are both deadly but both weigh a lot. So a sneak should be able to use them with limited number of placing them.

All I can think of right now.

[RazorRamon]

>Waki can kill someone
>Needler can kill someone if they're wounded

NO
WAY

Someone immediately call cirn0 at work. He has to rush home and nerf this shit

[faopcurious]

I think no to just being recon, everyone should be able to hold his own.  None of this, this guy is the medic, this guy is the tank, this guy is the scout bullshit.  it is pvp game, everyone should be able to fight.
So some other solution is needed.
Maybe make it so you can't sneak with certain weapons, like sniper rifles etc would be nice solution, but maybe hard to code.

[baskila]

I think no to just being recon, everyone should be able to hold his own.  None of this, this guy is the medic, this guy is the tank, this guy is the scout bullshit.  it is pvp game, everyone should be able to fight.
So some other solution is needed.
Maybe make it so you can't sneak with certain weapons, like sniper rifles etc would be nice solution, but maybe hard to code.

Remove sneak entirely then.

[faopcurious]

I think no to just being recon, everyone should be able to hold his own.  None of this, this guy is the medic, this guy is the tank, this guy is the scout bullshit.  it is pvp game, everyone should be able to fight.
So some other solution is needed.
Maybe make it so you can't sneak with certain weapons, like sniper rifles etc would be nice solution, but maybe hard to code.

Remove sneak entirely then.

no?  =D
I don't even play sneaker, and I don't think it should be removed.

[PusiteGA]

i think it shoud not be nerfed isnted add tranq gun like i have in my signature

[S.T.A.L.K.E.R]

>Waki can kill someone
>Needler can kill someone if they're wounded

NO
WAY

Someone immediately call cirn0 at work. He has to rush home and nerf this shit

"but they're too strong"

Proof that ramon is retard IRL   

[Perteks]

Remove silent running
add that trait what stalker said

[Mad Matt]

Change them into bards plizzz, papa Cirn0 maybe won't be happy...but Porno should be okay with this 



btw. Sralker, I am the owner of trademark "papa Cirn0"...so find your own or pay me

[RazorRamon]

stalker you fuccboi waki is now only 1/3 direct damage and 2/3 bleed

just grab pancor and burst the sneaker and use superstimpak afterwards

you will survive and kill the sneaker every time, even if he attacked you twice already

[I love Clochard]

for me sneaker should work ONLY with melee weapons
waki is ok now

[2Pac]

buff waki

[Mad Matt]

Well, after meeting some sneaks with Waki and saying hello to the ground after that (knock out) I can not agree...but it was already only 3 times. I will gather info and tell you if it's really so easy to avoid sneak's Waki.

[Scalesan]

Not a funny thread, this feature is reasonable as it is in mass events. But player which is visiting core on porpose, just to gather alloy and junk, will be somewhat confused of your PRO attitude, which instantly turns him into gore, without  any indication.
Probably you can explain to him, how he made mistake, not playing proper shotty build not equping MKIII armor, not carrying supply of superstimpaks and using  not green, not red, but white shells.

Hell man, why would he even went scavenge? He should simpy take his T9 stuff from his room... oh wait... he has none?

[RazorRamon]

wasteland is harsh

[Scalesan]

But it does not disqualify yourself from using brain, does it? Would you like to to eradicate every new player for 5 seconds of ecstasy?

[RazorRamon]

I dont even kill new players m8, i hardly find time to log on for big pvp


Also new players are able to use their heads as well

Scavenge inside buildings, close doors behind you and suddenly no sneak can stab you

[Mad Matt]

I dont even kill new players m8, i hardly find time to log on for big pvp


Also new players are able to use their heads as well

Scavenge inside buildings, close doors behind you and suddenly no sneak can stab you

This +1

Until your faction has no zones, and you light a bulb with sign "I'm here, please kill me"

I'm not implying that sneak or waki is OP in every situation...just in terms of 1vs1.

[Scalesan]

I dont even kill new players m8, i hardly find time to log on for big pvp


Also new players are able to use their heads as well

Scavenge inside buildings, close doors behind you and suddenly no sneak can stab you

Congrats for not killing newbs. Probably other players are not sharing your attitude, they will pretty much run across whole core just to stab hostile newb. It's where am i aiming, restrict possibility for everyone, as your own attitude does not realy affect behaviour of all sneakers.

Newbs can use head as long as head sits on shoulders. But just stoping to open door might cause loss of their head in this particular case. So yeah, they might actualy start doing some meta work in game, closing doors, holding hand on proper hotkeys etc etc, which will eventualy save their life. But why do you suggest to take such measures, while benefit of whole concept is just ridiculous. 

Btw. whole sneaking issue makes me feel like big neon light on entrance to this game: "New players  - Do not enter". IMO should be removed without hesitation, asap.

[RazorRamon]

But why do you suggest to take such measures, while benefit of whole concept is just ridiculous. 

Nothing about that concept is ridiculous.

Balancing the game around new players would be. Why should sneak be balanced around 1vs1 encounters? Should fireballs be removed from Street Fighter because new players cry they are OP? Should AWP be removed from Counter-Strike because people get killed in one hit by it?

Improve or die